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You guys have got some game, too. KRANTZ and WiltOnTilt dissect the play of DeucesCracked members joethepro, defineluck, Riddim, Drexah, Robin_ripper and Squishee!

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Riddim
Deuce High
91 posts
Joined 01/08

About the 4-bet with J2s, I'm undecided on whether I like it in that particular spot, but I do 4-bet my big hands there most of the time as well.

Posted Mar 2, 2008 1:56pm

Squishee
Deuces Full
666 posts
Joined 01/08

Gonna look at it ! I guess its gonna be a shame and will have to explain myself !

Will tell ya later :)

Posted Mar 2, 2008 4:23pm

hen
Deuce High
68 posts
Joined 01/08

If there is another of these then I would love to get in on it.

Posted Mar 2, 2008 5:05pm

patrickduffy
Deuce High
11 posts
Joined 01/08

just to clear it up, im "almostcutmyear", not defineluck.. great vid

Posted Mar 2, 2008 5:25pm

Squishee
Deuces Full
666 posts
Joined 01/08

Hey guys, thanks for the feedback !

Ok, why I limp BTN ? I almost never doing this, but with Xas on my right who is raising/3-bet a lot, im hopping to be raised to 3-bet or to be raised and call and flop a set/good draw to out play him because he was way aggro :)

Please, don't show this video to my coach, he gonna be so desesperate.. I got so boned by the critics (and you are right)

Edit : Krantz, why do you say im a crazy kid with my post in the Small stakes forum ?

Posted Mar 2, 2008 5:33pm

joethepro
Pair of Deuces
223 posts
Joined 01/08

this stuff is wicked. i really think this format is the best format there is possible. it fixes ALL the leaks of other style videos.

1. it's 1 table so in depth talks about hands (the main flaw of 4 tabling videos)
2. you get to see everyone's cards so you can comment about every hand instead of just from 1 person's perspective (the main flaw of 1 table videos, stretch of nothing when the hero just gets junk)
3. you can analyze the hand in relation to the flow and not hands in vacuums (the main flaw of just talking about specific hands)

if you can play your Coaches games, but then instead of having us listen to the table talk, but instead do it in this format. talk about how the other coaches are playing, then i think that would be the ultimate. there was a lot to take in from both your advice.


some questions for wilt or krantz if you can. on the following hand you guys said i had a made hand and i turned it into a bluff and didn't like the check raise. was the suggested line to check call his turn bet?

the problem i had was i felt pretty confident on the flop but on the turn, although i still felt ahead the board suddenly became very scary and extremely drawy. Since the board was VERY scary i thought check/call flop, check raise turn makes overpairs fold, a pair of tens fold and all the straights and flushes draws fold and all the hands i get value from don't pay me off on the river anyway.

i am making extra money from draws (if they decide to continue, protected my hand if they fold), not losing out on money on hands i beat (i don't think they river bet me or call me), and making a few better hands fold (some overpairs perhaps and pair of tens).

is this wrong way of thinking? then i just check/fold river. otherwise if i check/call the turn, i'm so scared of EVERY river card and i really have no idea what to do.

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players

Stacks:
UTG ($82.90)
UTG+1 ($134.40)
CO ($59.40)
BTN ($50.00)
SB ($78.05)
Hero ($68.50)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BB 8 A
2 folds, CO raises to $1.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.25

Flop: 8 J J ($3.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3, Hero calls $3

Turn: T ($9.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $7, Hero raises to $21, CO folds

Final Pot: $23.75

Hero wins $36.6 ( won +$10.85 )
CO lost -$11.75


there was another hand where there was a Q79 with 2 suits on a board where i was the CO PFR with 55 and i made a c-bet in position of 2/3 pot and was check raised off the hand. i was mauled in comments by this play. is it stupid of me to always cbet any AKQ because that was my reason for doing it. it overrode the drawiness of the board. OR was it the fact that i only made a 2/3'd pot bet b/c it was so drawy i should have bet bigger?

is the crime betting at all (with something that has showdown value 55?) or was it my bet sizing that was the bigger crime?

Posted Mar 2, 2008 6:12pm

Squishee
Deuces Full
666 posts
Joined 01/08

[quote] but with Xas on my right /quote]

*Left I mean

Posted Mar 2, 2008 6:23pm

drexah
Deuce High
9 posts
Joined 01/08

heh i didn't realize i played so bad until watching this. i'm not sure if i was just playing really loose and weird because its far lower stakes than i usually play, or because it was the dc home game. probably both but yea i would normally never 4bet 77 utg like that, would rarely open Q8s in ep let alone call a 3bet oop, and the bet on the river in that hand like you guys said is just horrible. i must of just wanted to hear krantz shit on me a bunch, i dunno. anyways it was really fun doing this and i agree this format is awesome (i'd love to see some msnl vids in this style)

Posted Mar 2, 2008 7:04pm

Robin_Ripper
Pair of Deuces
140 posts
Joined 01/08

Thanks for the commentary guys :)
Would love to do it again, noticed some bad plays on my part and happy you pointed them out.

Happy I got some laughs out of you guys ;)

Posted Mar 2, 2008 8:03pm

drexah
Deuce High
9 posts
Joined 01/08

just some thoughts after watching it through.

-the ATs hand i would normally just squeeze/fold to Robin's 3bet.
-timed out with 44.
-the JT hand i think is pretty std given my read & stats at the time on almostcutmyear.
-haha yea was definitely a bit tilted when he 6x bb it pre and folded to my 3bet, that part of the vid cracked me up.
-KK i definitely agree to just 3/4 or pot it when i flop top set on KQx.
-really not sure what i was thinking raise/calling btn with K6cc esp. vs a 19/10 at the time. watching it i was fully expecting to bet flop with 2nd pair once he checked but his river bet is pretty nice after i flat turn, which i think is pretty weak.
-not to pat myself on the back but one area of my game i've been working on is when to go for a check/raise on the river and given the situation and my image i thought that 89 hand was a perfect spot to go for it. i check/jammed as opposed to just c/r because of the ATs hand where i overpushed vs Robin so i was pretty sure it wouldn't get much respect. i almost think a c/r to like 20 there looks even more fishy than just jamming.

ahahahaha i love when robin notes me "aggro luckbox" actually laughed so hard my roommate asked me wtf i was doing. also still laughing from krantz going "woahhhhhhh" "woahhhhhhhh" when squishee limp/raises JQs. i just remember being like YESSS when robin min3bet me i was like ok i have to minraise here and play some poo fling, then he goes and overbets turn and killed the hand :( i would have snapped with the KQo hand but it was the first time anyone just open jammed pre and figured he at like AQ or AK. although if it was KQs i probably just call anyway cause its pretty.

glad you gave me love on flatting with AK pre knowing robin would overjam. this was really fun, thanks for doing it.

Posted Mar 2, 2008 8:39pm

kyotoisok
Deuce High
40 posts
Joined 01/08

this is a great format. some hilarious stuff going on.

i think it's good that there were some big mistakes made by the players..

i think one of the reasons why people (Squishee) limp pf is that they find it difficult to play hands post-flop as the aggressor i.e. they don't know when they should be value betting, checking for pot control, checking to induce etc..
the thought of overcards flopping - or not hitting the flop - makes them nervous.
the solution to this problem is to become a better hand reader.



the "aggro luckbox" note had me laughing so hard.
cool stuff

Posted Mar 3, 2008 6:57am

WiltOnTilt
Exec Producer
Deuces Full
536 posts
Joined 10/07

i really enjoyed doing the commentary with krantz on this one. it was really fun to see what stuff the DC members had in their bag of tricks.

Squishee -- sorry if we were hard on you bud, we just want you to open up a bit and start having the table adjust to you, instead of you adjusting to the table! :-)

WoT

Posted Mar 3, 2008 8:22am

WiltOnTilt
Exec Producer
Deuces Full
536 posts
Joined 10/07

joethepro-

I didn't like your checkraise because you still have the best hand quite a bit there... and you aren't going to get value from worse made hands and no better hands are folding. If a ten bets there it's not with the intention of folding. If more money goes in the pot on the turn with you out of position, the river is going to be a nightmare for you to play as you don't know which cards helped or hurt your opponent.

Likely if the river blanks you're going to commit yourself to c/c'ing to induce a bluff, but we didn't really have any sort of idea as to what the guy's bluffing frequency was (i can't recall who this was against?). If a Q or 7 hits you might be inclined to check/fold incorrectly. if a heart hits you might c/f incorrectly. If they both miss you might c/c incorrectly... essentially what it's boiling down to is by checkraising there you stand to make a bigger mistake than your opponent will make in a bigger pot. Unless you have a very good idea as to what types of hands your opponent is going to bet and check there, and what type of frequency he will bluff with, a much better play is just closing your eyes and c/c, c/c down as it encourages your opponent to bluff more and you're going to lose less when you get valuetowned (and you can still decide to fold the river, and if you fold incorrectly in a smaller pot it's less of a mistake).

So to recap, when you checkraise here, your opponent will virtually never make a big money mistake and you open yourself up to making a big money mistake and he will never fold a better hand if he decides to bet it on the turn. By keeping the pot smaller, we make a smaller mistake when we're wrong and we continue to represent weakness to allow villain's bluffing frequency to stay at it's maximum.

Hope that made sense.

WoT

Posted Mar 3, 2008 8:31am

joethepro
Pair of Deuces
223 posts
Joined 01/08

thanks wilt, that makes a lot of sense.

Posted Mar 3, 2008 3:12pm

jjunkins1
Deuce High
21 posts
Joined 03/08

Xah plays good, I sure hope the rest of you don't play poker for a living. I saw so many leaks and chip spews, you guys should prop ur eyelids open with toothpicks and watch every video you can. BTW, the commentary was really good, and I learned alot. DC has improved my game way more than CR, I'm very impressed.

Posted Apr 24, 2008 9:51am