CDA
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Good series!
Do you think the smallish bet size can induce more calls when you 4bet. If you just min-4bet it would have been about $34.50, you made it $38. I was thinking more like $40-$42 here as in my mind, $38 isn't much different that just clicking it back.
Thank you.
Yeah, it definitely could, but in my experience most people still jam or fold.
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B-rye88
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This board has enough connectivity that I think you can bet this turn. As you said, you have some weaker Kx in your range as well so bet/folding JJ is probably fine.
I'm not sure that the connected-ness of the board is much of a variable in this hand. Since it's a 4-bet pot he doesn't really have a lot of drawing soft of hands to protect against so I don't really have much of a need to bet KTo or anything. I don't think I should go for two streets with something like that. I'm going for one street on the river. I might only really go for two streets this way with the occasionally checked back AK and KQ. I'm also don't think he will think I'm bluffing this way that much (delayed c-bet) so it's going to be hard to get better value here than later.
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B-rye88
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I'm not sure that the connected-ness of the board is much of a variable in this hand. Since it's a 4-bet pot he doesn't really have a lot of drawing soft of hands to protect against so I don't really have much of a need to bet KTo or anything. I don't think I should go for two streets with something like that. I'm going for one street on the river. I might only really go for two streets this way with the occasionally checked back AK and KQ. I'm also don't think he will think I'm bluffing this way that much (delayed c-bet) so it's going to be hard to get better value here than later.
I disagree on the basis of how many straight draws and pair + draws are potentially in his range; I don't think you're getting two streets of value, but I do think that he's more likely to call with 67, 87, 77, T8s, etc. on the turn than he is on the river, and you have the added bonus of charging him to draw. (I'm thinking the board is K986? Not looking at it right now).
This might depend on your player pool / player specific reads however, since I'm used to seeing those hands in a oop 3b/call range at 10/16/25NL.
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I disagree on the basis of how many straight draws and pair + draws are potentially in his range; I don't think you're getting two streets of value, but I do think that he's more likely to call with 67, 87, 77, T8s, etc. on the turn than he is on the river, and you have the added bonus of charging him to draw. (I'm thinking the board is K986? Not looking at it right now).
This might depend on your player pool / player specific reads however, since I'm used to seeing those hands in a oop 3b/call range at 10/16/25NL.
He's turbo-folding all of that stuff preflop, imo.
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AA hand , my first thought was to c/c the flop and just allow villain to value bet / bluff 3 streets , if he calls our c/r do you not think it would be pretty hard to get another street of value on the turn , only 15 hands on guy he doesnt know much about you , theres a good chance I would be mucking QQ vs an unkown in villains shoes or at least im continuing with caution , prob end up folding a bunch of turns , seems nitty but its UTG vs BB at FR , i dont see many players messing about in this spot.
Maybe its my lack of bluffs that makes me feel AA might be better to c/c.
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AA hand , my first thought was to c/c the flop and just allow villain to value bet / bluff 3 streets , if he calls our c/r do you not think it would be pretty hard to get another street of value on the turn , only 15 hands on guy he doesnt know much about you , theres a good chance I would be mucking QQ vs an unkown in villains shoes or at least im continuing with caution , prob end up folding a bunch of turns , seems nitty but its UTG vs BB at FR , i dont see many players messing about in this spot.
Maybe its my lack of bluffs that makes me feel AA might be better to c/c.
I'm cool with c/c'ing. The more I think about it, the more merit I see. The thing is, I don't really expect him to have many bluffs or have much of a willingness to bluff them. In these spots I often see guys check the flop with their weak hands and I have a lot of the cards that he'd want to bluff with.
I don't really think he's going to be folding KK to me for another bet, and the board is fairly likely to get ugly for him. I also don't think he will be bluffing that much and he doesn't really have that many hands to bluff with in the first place since he's in EP. It is fairly thin, though.
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