where is Grindcore?
Improva follows up with your questions from episode 6 and answers them in this new video.
DeucesCracked welcomes fan favorite and new instructor Grindcore to the fold with this original video series about that thin, red line – nonshowdown winnings. This winter Bart will take a look at some common misconceptions about the red line and discuss the ins and outs of how small stakes 6max players can pick up previously unreachable profit.
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where is Grindcore?
grindcore where are youuuuuuuu
Nice, bonus episode ftw.
Thanks for the detailed answers Oliver , nice job
You didn't comment on possibly calling a river bet in the first hand (Ah2h on JT3 5) when the board pairs and we don't barrel. Do you expect a passive villain to be betting too many combos for value to call off, say, a 2/3 pot bet? Or do you think he wouldn't bluff busted OESDs & gutshots with hearts most of the time?
You didn't comment on possibly calling a river bet in the first hand (Ah2h on JT3 5) when the board pairs and we don't barrel. Do you expect a passive villain to be betting too many combos for value to call off, say, a 2/3 pot bet? Or do you think he wouldn't bluff busted OESDs & gutshots with hearts most of the time?
I think check-calling and bluffing are close.
lol@ the donkey out there shouting for grindcore when the teacher of grindcore appears and explains his thought process ...
good job oliver, nice to watch and good explanations
lol@ the donkey
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On this board what is your flat calling range for this aggressive opponent's cbet (a part from 2pair+ hands that you discussed)? What do you do with 8x hands? And why do you think raising with JT is better than calling? What if you had JT and back door flush draw?
I'd like to know how you construct your preflop in position calling range vs opponents opening from EP as opposed to those from CO.
Also thanks for the awesome movie improva ![]()
lol@ the donkey out there shouting for grindcore when the teacher of grindcore appears and explains his thought process ...
good job oliver, nice to watch and good explanations
this.......
Give this man his own series. Or two.
Give this man his own series. Or two.
I second that.
Improva for President!
I like this format it was pretty nice, thanks
Give this man his own series. Or two.
please do this.
Any chance that you can touch a little more on the factors causing the redline to go up as opposed to down. I am sure we all understand the basics of winning non-showdown hands and not putting in too much money and then folding. Where do you see the biggest leaks or hidden losses that cause the redline to fall particularly with the $100NL-$200NL players. Grindcore touched on it in the first episode of the series, but it's been left out of the conversation most part until you took over the series. I have tried feverishly to not do things to directly effect the redline, but to make changed to my game that would benefit my overall winrate and the redline is usually indicative of what is going right. I think some direct work on my non showdown winnings would really improve both my winrate adn my aggression.
Any chance that you can touch a little more on the factors causing the redline to go up as opposed to down. I am sure we all understand the basics of winning non-showdown hands and not putting in too much money and then folding. Where do you see the biggest leaks or hidden losses that cause the redline to fall particularly with the $100NL-$200NL players. Grindcore touched on it in the first episode of the series, but it's been left out of the conversation most part until you took over the series. I have tried feverishly to not do things to directly effect the redline, but to make changed to my game that would benefit my overall winrate and the redline is usually indicative of what is going right. I think some direct work on my non showdown winnings would really improve both my winrate adn my aggression.
This!
Although the videos are very good and have changed my game, the series is called Thin Red Line, and only the first episode touched the subject a little... My play may have been improved but my red line... well, still going down pretty much ![]()
A non-negative red line comes from a good understanding of your opponents ranges, how they like to play the different parts and from a good understanding of how positions influence the game - here I'm not just talking about in position and out of position but also the fact that people play different ranges from different positions and they assume that we are playing different ranges as well.
If I have to give some quick tips:
- Punish them when they are weak.
- If you have no pot equity when called and you expect that you often will have to fire multiple barrels => check-fold.
- Play like a man from the blinds.
You mentioned at one point that you should have opened 2.5x on the BN because you were opening any two cards. If you're opening 100% of buttons why not just min raise instead? I mean in theory you have more fold equity with 2.5x but I don't mind at all if people flat wider ranges in the blinds vs my min raise because they're generally not comfortable in that situation, and as their ranges widen it becomes easy to simply barrel the hell out of them on all kinds of board textures. Is there any particular benefit to a larger open that I'm missing?
- If you have no pot equity when called and you expect that you often will have to fire multiple barrels => check-fold.
Great post! This is one is particularly great and one I need to work on.
Improva everything you do is gold. I'm really looking forward to sitting down and watching this episode this weekend.
what do you mean by "play like a man from the blinds" ?
what do you mean by "play like a man from the blinds" ?
I think he means play more aggressively, don't auto fold to every BTN open. Mix it up and play back.
This is probably what you're looking for:
http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/4-General-Discussion/topics/37191-Some-of-the-pieces-from-t?page=2&per_page=30#posts-298681
It's an audio discussion about playing from the blinds that Improva had with Simpleme. It's GOOD stuff. However I'd advise that you add parts of what is discussed into your game slowly. If not you'll spew like crazy from the blinds if you're not careful! It's really good stuff though.
Hey guys, I've been really busy/exhausted and without internet for a while, but should have more free time now. I'll be recording the last 2 episodes tomorrow.
Hey guys, I've been really busy/exhausted and without internet for a while, but should have more free time now. I'll be recording the last 2 episodes tomorrow.
Please include some theory like in 1st episode.
Please include some theory like in 1st episode.
this plz grindcore
also, improva did a good job with hand history review, maybe some of these
cheers
Improva, congrats on producing outstanding videos. Thank you!
I understand the importance of not calling 3bets out of position, but can you give some guidance and what hands with which we should be calling 3bets IN position based on, for example, very tight, tight, medium, and loose 3-bettors?
Any guidance you can provide would be much appreciated.
- Play like a man from the blinds.
This would be a great topic for a video.
I was hoping to see you do so, but sadly that there weren't many opportunities in your last video.
grindcore and improva in 1 vid, that would be the nudds ![]()
Great videos Oliver
grindcore and improva in 1 vid, that would be the nudds
The Coaching Tree S3?
The Coaching Tree S3?
That would be so sick
Any updates on the final two episodes?
Sorry, I've had some personal issues and am pretty exhausted. As soon as I have a free day with a sharp mind I'll make the next episode (both if possible), probably somewhere coming week.
i dont know why you take so long and it's non of my business and you obv have serious reasons but 4 month for 1 series is way too long if you just look at it from a customer point of view.
anyway, loved this series, thx for helping me improving my game
cheers
Time Link to 00:32:49
When you check behind the flop it doesn't look like you have AK or better, air, or a draw. It looks like you have:
-KQ through K2s(IP against a TAG it's tougher to get three streets of value with KQ, so it also becomes an option for a check, although not sure if everybody agrees with this)
-QQ-88
-A seven
-66(although you may bet his)
-A five
-AQ/AJ/AT(although you may bet AT more often)
QQ-88, 66, AQs-ATs, A7s, A5s, K2s+, Q7s, Q5s, J7s, J5s, T7s, T5s, 97s, 95s, 87s, 85s, 72s+, 65s, 52s+, AQo-ATo, A7o, A5o, K8o+, 87o, 76o, 65o
Now when you start betting this turn shouldn't it be not good for villain to check-call down, wouldn't that be the worst option? Maybe he should check-raise the turn and bet the river, or check-call the turn and check-raise the river, or bet the turn big and bet the river big? Thanks, Yojimgari
I think I said in the video that if villain had a made hand vs me in this spot he should not fold turn or river.
How we plays turn, river depends on how the btn constructs his c-bet range. Some players almost always a king with weak kicker. The fundamental problem on the btn is, "Where do we put all our air". 90% of all ssnl and most msnl regs start all their bluffs with a c-bet. That is really bad vs a good player.
Time Link to 00:38:07
Improva great video as always. I absolutely love how you break things down. It clicks with me very well and makes a lot of sense.
I'm not sure I completely follow why you'd check/fold to a
river here but check/call a
? Do we assume he'd cbet (rather then check behind) a
draw on the flop if he had one?
Edit: Never mind! I posted a little too early. You explained the question above about 2 mins in the video after I paused it ... >.<
This was such a seriously good vid.
we really must have more from Oliver and Grindcore. They really hit the mark.
Grindcore?
Improva is making episode 7, I'm making 8. I've already send mine to DC. I don't know exactly how much longer it'll be untill it's released. My guess is Improva is having some technical difficulties again.
"be careful out there"
best closing line of any poker video by far.
Awesome videos guys I loved this series
Time Link to 00:26:44
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.977% 62.95% 01.02% 8310 135.00 { AKo }
Hand 1: 36.023% 35.00% 01.02% 4620 135.00 { QQ-TT, AsQs, AsJs, KJs+, QJs, JTs, T9s, 9s8s, 8s7s, KQo }
Here's the calling range I assigned vilain, if we're the CBetter in that hand. I don't see why AK is a check call
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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.977% 62.95% 01.02% 8310 135.00 { AKo }
Hand 1: 36.023% 35.00% 01.02% 4620 135.00 { QQ-TT, AsQs, AsJs, KJs+, QJs, JTs, T9s, 9s8s, 8s7s, KQo }
Here's the calling range I assigned vilain, if we're the CBetter in that hand. I don't see why AK is a check call.
If villain is passive and/or plays draws passive and does not use the fact that he can rep a lot and value hands by raising the turn I agree.
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.977% 62.95% 01.02% 8310 135.00 { AKo }
Hand 1: 36.023% 35.00% 01.02% 4620 135.00 { QQ-TT, AsQs, AsJs, KJs+, QJs, JTs, T9s, 9s8s, 8s7s, KQo }
Here's the calling range I assigned vilain, if we're the CBetter in that hand. I don't see why AK is a check call.
Note that villain will likely bet his callingrange when checked to as well (minus QQ JJ probably), but will now also bet some air on top of that (like the drawless versions of the suited hands on your range, or underpairs). Though one line is good, the other can be even better.
You also won't be able to get 3 streets out of QQ JJ, 2 max, and you get them as well if you check flop bet turn bet river, so you actually don't miss value at all against the part of his range that will check back flop but call a cbet.
Time Link to 00:17:05
Value Betting JJ here seems way way too thin to me. I'd much rather c/c than bet with pretty much any 1 pair hand.
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