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MaskedManQc
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One thing I wouldn't have picked up on that you did was since our opponent has a high Agg Freq, when he doesn't bet the turn after UTG checks there is no way he has a K. A small value bet looks good on the river then.
1st of all, very interesting vid and a lot of good comments from the coach! 
I'll probably post few comments in the thread and if you don't mind answer few questions.
Very interesting analysis by slowlane here in this hand. I think I did'nt think enough about vilain's expected hand range on the river. I agree that I could have bet smaller here and get value. As we can see trought the vid, there are few spots where I can improve my play OTR, where I miss some good bluffing opportunities.
I played with this specific player at 200NL mostly and I had some notes on him. He is generally very agressive for sure and sometimes speewy. He is a very very big loser at 200NL (see PTR) so I just tried to get max value from him without thinking too much about his range. This is what leads me to bet that big. Anyway, like already explain higher, I think I can refine my hand range analysis in these kind of spot and play better accordingly.
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MaskedManQc
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Lol love the slowroll. Two things on this hand, first did he 4x it because of the weaker player in the BB. Secondly, what do you think of the BB's play was it standard?
I guess you are talking about the AA hand?
I definitely bet bigger when there are few weak players behind to get max value and hopefully play bigger pots with them.
Seriously, slowroll wasn't voluntary. My reasoning was : you are doing a vid that will be seen by the community, so take your time to think and don't do stupid stuff! 
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Earlier we called a tightish player from late position with KJs but we're folding QJs in the cutoff vs a much looser player. Would you say cold calling here is -EV in the long run?
Maybe Slowlane could also comment on that, but it really depends on the table dynanics. I mean, if there is one or many agressive 3 bettor behind, we won't be able to see the flop often enough to justify a call.
In that particular hand, the guy behind is the one that is very 3 bet happy OTB (see the hand I 4 bet him for more details), so I think this is hardly Ev+ to flat here.
Vs a loose player that opens and other passive players in the blinds, I might call, but it takes a very loose opener to call here. QJs has less equity than KJs. To give an approximate idea, I would flat KJs in good conditions vs a vilain that opens 16% or more pre. For QJs, it would require a vilain's opening range of something in the 25%.
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PutMyRobeOnRITE
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Time Link to 00:29:11
Here on table 6 you mentionned we had an opportunity to bluff the river, but agreed we need to be careful when trying to bluff fishs!
Main reason I did'nt bluff here is because I thought I had some showdown value vs his range that contains so many draws. Isn't it a valid argument here, plus the fact that he is a fish that can call wide?
Looks close from my point of view.
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I gotta be quick as I'm about to head out but I though I'd answer the two easiest questions here:
I think student folded QJs on Table 5 from the MP open.....this can't be folded imo.
Villain is 12/9 opening from MP and the blinds are not weak players. Easy, easy fold. Unless you're making sick bluffs almost every time you have nothing it will be -EV to flat here.
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Table 3 Hero folded KQs vs. 50bb stack opening in MP...Too tight baby.
You haven't looked at who is in the big blind, in addition, villain is 12/10 and 50bb deep we're dominated by almost his entire range and oop. Another easy fold.
You've got a leak if you think this is an easy flat.
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PutMyRobeOnRITE
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I gotta be quick as I'm about to head out but I though I'd answer the two easiest questions here:
Villain is 12/9 opening from MP and the blinds are not weak players. Easy, easy fold. Unless you're making sick bluffs almost every time you have nothing it will be -EV to flat here.
I see you're point with the 12/9 opening, I have to play closer attention to the opener, I only play 6-max...however what's the big deal about sb and bb being tight good players...in a high six max game I'd assume many heros wouldn't fold this otb if the villain had a wide enough opening range despite the fact that there may be two superstars in the blinds, worse case they may 3-bet as a semi-bluff if they feel they would get squeezed a bunch. But you are right, we will have little FE post and not be able to bluff catch against such a tight range.
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You haven't looked at who is in the big blind, in addition, villain is 12/10 and 50bb deep we're dominated by almost his entire range and oop. Another easy fold.
You've got a leak if you think this is an easy flat.
You're right again, the BB looked very aggro from the stats, gotta pay more attention to the players :-). The BB could be buffered from making a move though due to observing the openers tightness, but I agree he's so tight that KQs should be folded.
-Thanks for the responses
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MaskedManQc
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I see you're point with the 12/9 opening, I have to play closer attention to the opener, I only play 6-max...however what's the big deal about sb and bb being tight good players...in a high six max game I'd assume many heros wouldn't fold this otb if the villain had a wide enough opening range despite the fact that there may be two superstars in the blinds, worse case they may 3-bet as a semi-bluff if they feel they would get squeezed a bunch. But you are right, we will have little FE post and not be able to bluff catch against such a tight range.
Yep, 6 max ranges are a lot wider. Did'nt played much 6 max but dyanic is different. Guess the normal range at 6 max from a lot of the regs should be around 25/20 or something? And maybe more...
Also, vs tight ranges like this, you are likely to face a lot of aggression, because if these players are good and aware of their image and strong perceived range, they will double barrel a lot of the time, and it will be hard to put pressure on them.
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JJ has so many posts here so I will combine all answers into one post:
1. opening ATs: It's close due to lagtard behind us but could be considered
2. 3b KQs: probably not though i like it more than calling
3. u mislinked the timeline.. no idea what hand you're talking about
4. AFq: somewhere around <28 is passive/<36 standard/>36 aggro
5. Flatting QJs: Again can't find the hand you're talking about but it will have to do with who raise, who is in the blinds etc. QJs is likely not ahead of much of his opening range so unless he is super passive or weak players are in the blinds a flat here will be -EV
6. on the BB donks hand: BB is a weak reg and plays fairly straightforwardly, so I'd say good Qs, any Jx and a few FD/SD types
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slowlane123
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I think you may be reading a little much into the Agg % here. IT's quite possible that his aggression % is high because he opens a very strong range preflop and has better hands more often than an average player.
AFq doesn't only take into consideration hands that he has been the PFR in. It also considers hands he is cold-calling or limping with. So far he has only raised 1 hand but has been the caller 8 times. Even though it's a tiny sample I think it's fine to assume this is an aggro player or at very least run really hot so far.
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Is it standard to fold small pocket pairs preflop in position against early position raisers, who are deep stacked? Saw it a few times throughout the vid.
MM
Could you please provide a timeline? This would be helpful, because I agree that stack sizes are definitely a criteria, but there are other factors to consider, like table dynamic and vilain's tendencies.
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Slowlane could definitely complement on this, but yes this is true we are deep and so is vilain.
Problem here is that we don't have enough equity to call here, but we could call considering implied odds. Problem with flatting a wide range here is that we become a prime target for squeezes from the blinds. Boths players in the blinds seems to be 3 betting / squeezing a decent amount of the time. So that's the first problem.
The other argument for folding is that we are facing a reg, so we should assume he should be somewhat decent. Assuming that we arent likely to stack him off often (never) with a TPTK kind of hand. Most of the regs won't stack off easily, so it will be very hard stacking him with a bottom set.
We are likely to have some reverse implied odds, because he is likely to stack off with higher sets some of the time.
There is an interesting quote that I remember from Dan Harrington's books on cash game. He said something like, small PP that hit a set will make you win big pot, but lose very big ones.
It could be a very different story if there would be a weak player in the blinds, or OR would be weak, where we could hopefully get paid off when we hit.
Vs a competent player that opens from EP, I think that calling PP below 99 will hardly be profitable in this spot.
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