PutMyRobeOnRITE
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PutMyRobeOnRITE
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Hi Blah, Table 3 You Open AKs and Megabet 3-bet you out of the blinds, he looks pretty tight. Don't you think just flatting the 3-bet with AKs is better vs. this tighter player? Or did you 4-bet because this is a function of the stakes you are playing...at Micro I'd rarely 4-bet a player with those tighter stats.
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blah234
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Hi Blah, on table one you 3-bet KQo vs. UTG, he was 22/22, This looks like you are 3-betting as a bluff, is that correct? If you had AQo would you call in this same spot? Or would you muck it or 3-bet it as a bluff because he's utg...
There's really no such thing as bluff or value really, just EV. I think it's higher EV to 3 bet than call because I will have decent equity vs his calling range and take it down alot of times.Off suit broadways miss the flop about 75% of the times so we'd have to make a move postflop quiet often as well to be +EV. If villain's UTG range is too tight to 3 bet then it's also too tight to play back postflop.
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blah234
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Hi Blah, Table 3 You Open AKs and Megabet 3-bet you out of the blinds, he looks pretty tight. Don't you think just flatting the 3-bet with AKs is better vs. this tighter player? Or did you 4-bet because this is a function of the stakes you are playing...at Micro I'd rarely 4-bet a player with those tighter stats.
I played with that villain alot and he has around 10% 3 bet from the blinds vs late position and will jam AQ so I think 4bet/call AK has higher EV than just flatting. Stats are not accurate representation of how villain will play vs you. They are just an average on how they play so stats on someone who knows how to adjust their ranges is not very useful.
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This hand I don't think we rep any bluffs if we donk out on the river when turn goes check check. Unless villain expects us to float OOP with lots air, which is probably a bad idea to have air heavy range OOP vs aggro villain. So when the flush got there we rep no bluffs when we lead => we should check river with our entire value range everything from Qx to nuts. When villain checks turn on a good bluff card (over card and draw completing) he's repping pot controlled hand and not air. So the river bet is a value bet from the top of his pot control turn range. I think 99 is no good vs that range but we should consider raising the river bet to turn into a bluff some % of the times since vllain's perceived range is capped.
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I like to 3 bet my offsuit broadways vs tighter and unknown ranges instead of flatting them because those hands miss the flop too often. Vs unknown villain it's hard to construct playing back ranges with too much air so i rather take it down preflop and good thing with hands like KQo, AQo etc is that they do have decent equity vs almost any calling range. I'm not really worried about domination since we both only flop same pair 1/8 times and I am not guaranteed to stack off whenever I have TP. The other 7/8 of the times thought, being IP or facing fit or fold players, I can make villain incorrectly fold the hand that has mine dominated more often than not.
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blah234
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Would it be good to often just check our Qx on the river against better villains then to let them value own themselves?
I've put my thoughts down on this in a previous post. I'd like to see FWF's response on this.
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blah234
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A3s bottom right:
What is this guy's fold to 3bet stat here (46?)? If so, how are you constructing your 3 betting range against him?
A range of hands with decent equity vs his range for continuing since we can't make a profit on his folding frequency so we need some pot equity. Doesn't really have to be a range of hands way ahead of his calling range because he does fold some times to compensate for the times we have equity disadvantage.
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I've put my thoughts down on this in a previous post. I'd like to see FWF's response on this.
It just seems like unless we are often floating OOP, it doesn't make a lot of sense to bet Qx or better because it allows him to play perfectly against us. I could be wrong though.
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Hey blah awesome vid.
With the AKo hand on Top right would you not ever squeeze there with weaker hads? If so wouldnt you c bet this board a pretty high percent even with some air hands or flush draws and therefore want to bet smaller 1/2 pot given that you still have a guy that is sitting with 130bb? if you have the guy with 130bb do anything but fold dont you want to have more room to make decesions?
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Befeltingu
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Hey blah could you explain your reasoning for c betting w/ KQo on the AQ9 board top left. I know you called it a protection bet but do you think that his 3 bet cold calling range is wide enough to be betting for protection plus you have the Kd whitch makes it a little easier of a check back I think.
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blah234
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Hey blah awesome vid.
With the AKo hand on Top right would you not ever squeeze there with weaker hads? If so wouldnt you c bet this board a pretty high percent even with some air hands or flush draws and therefore want to bet smaller 1/2 pot given that you still have a guy that is sitting with 130bb? if you have the guy with 130bb do anything but fold dont you want to have more room to make decesions?
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this spot happens so infrequently postflop that I don't think I need to balance. I will bet smaller with bad hands and bigger with stuff I want to play for stacks. I also will not cbet that board with too much air given that it's multiway and a short stacked player. Any reasonable player in that spot will not peel light even if you bet small so smaller bet size is better if that's frequent spot.
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Hey blah could you explain your reasoning for c betting w/ KQo on the AQ9 board top left. I know you called it a protection bet but do you think that his 3 bet cold calling range is wide enough to be betting for protection plus you have the Kd whitch makes it a little easier of a check back I think.
I'm betting for value vs the cold caller and protection vs the other guy. When I can be HU with the bad player I can create much more +EV spots instead of dealing with extra variables of having another player in the pot. I do believe my hand is ahead of the SB guy's calling range. What FWF said about it's like the best hand the check makes sense as well. I just don't c/c in that spot hardly ever since I don't expect the UTG player to be bluffing too often => no reason to bluff catch.
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PutMyRobeOnRITE
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I played with that villain alot and he has around 10% 3 bet from the blinds vs late position and will jam AQ so I think 4bet/call AK has higher EV than just flatting. Stats are not accurate representation of how villain will play vs you. They are just an average on how they play so stats on someone who knows how to adjust their ranges is not very useful.
Ok, yeah, that makes sense with those reads, thx.
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A range of hands with decent equity vs his range for continuing since we can't make a profit on his folding frequency so we need some pot equity. Doesn't really have to be a range of hands way ahead of his calling range because he does fold some times to compensate for the times we have equity disadvantage.
What exact hands are we talking about? Something like KJ+,AT+,99+, and then some small sutied aces?
I am asking since I often find myself in this type of sitation, and often times it feels like I am defending too tight.
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blah234
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What exact hands are we talking about? Something like KJ+,AT+,99+, and then some small sutied aces?
I am asking since I often find myself in this type of sitation, and often times it feels like I am defending too tight.
It depends on villain's calling range. I suggest you play around with poker stove for a bit to see the equity of different hands vs reasonable calling ranges to get an better idea.
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It depends on villain's calling range. I suggest you play around with poker stove for a bit to see the equity of different hands vs reasonable calling ranges to get an better idea.
Was reffering to the guy in the hand (who had a fold to 3bet of 46% if I interpreted your HUD right).
Anyway, as a rule thumb do we have to be ahead of his calling range at all times? Or could we 3bet hands that are a slight underdog against his entire callingrange?
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blah234
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Was reffering to the guy in the hand (who had a fold to 3bet of 46% if I interpreted your HUD right).
Anyway, as a rule thumb do we have to be ahead of his calling range at all times? Or could we 3bet hands that are a slight underdog against his entire callingrange?
Depends postflop. theoretically assuming if we have 46% equity vs his calling range we win 46% of the times postflop (obviously not true just for example sake) then it's still +EV to 3bet hands as a slight underdog. Idea is we don't need to be ahead of someone's calling range for 3 bet to be +EV because the times he folds and our equity the times we get called and postflop play will make the spot +EV.
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Isn't it better to just isolate bigger when fish are just going to call pre and ch/f the flop a lot?
I agree, even if our hand is not that strong we will be able to win the pot in so many ways. Also if he happens to call a lot post, then I still think it is best to raise bigger, or just muck preflop.
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Pallyy17
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Hey Blah,
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AKs hand bottom left. Is it standard in 6 max to always get it in preflop with AK? I recently folded AK preflop to a 5 bet shove in 6max 100NL? It was a similar spot to yours Cut off vs Blind. Megabet34 is playing 17/15 over 7.9k hands, so my question is vs what player if ever are you folding AK preflop.
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blah234
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Hey Blah,
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AKs hand bottom left. Is it standard in 6 max to always get it in preflop with AK? I recently folded AK preflop to a 5 bet shove in 6max 100NL? It was a similar spot to yours Cut off vs Blind. Megabet34 is playing 17/15 over 7.9k hands, so my question is vs what player if ever are you folding AK preflop.
- Sorry I couldn't figure out how to time stamp my post?
of course I'd fold anything except AA preflop. If villain's range is only AA-QQ and AK+ what's the point of jamming AK? All you do is get it in with equity disadvantage and become -EV. Always put villain on a range and figure out the most +EV play.
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Pallyy17
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of course I'd fold anything except AA preflop. If villain's range is only AA-QQ and AK+ what's the point of jamming AK? All you do is get it in with equity disadvantage and become -EV. Always put villain on a range and figure out the most +EV play.
I missed your reply to PutMyRobeOnRITE (below), that explains your reasoning. Just was confused as you didnt mention it in the video. This is clear, Thankyou.
I played with that villain alot and he has around 10% 3 bet from the blinds vs late position and will jam AQ so I think 4bet/call AK has higher EV than just flatting. Stats are not accurate representation of how villain will play vs you. They are just an average on how they play so stats on someone who knows how to adjust their ranges is not very useful.
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I dont really agree that he should never fold his overpairs here to a check raise (talking about the T7 hand that hit 2 pair on the river). What bluffs do you ever have here? Your hand looks a lot like what it is - either 2 pair or a straight you backed into.... I think its pretty obvious and a decent player would fold AA. I obviously still think check raising to a reasonable amount is the best play because he might talk himself into calling, and I don't think he's ever ever 3bet bluffing, but I dont expect to get that much value from it at the same time. Also, given that I don't expect to get bluffed, I'd be folding if he did 3bet.
I think raising to 74 to 290 with 110 in the middle was too much given that its just not a spot we are bluffing much. What hands are you hoping he calls with? What if he 3bet jams for his last like 200?
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blah234
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I dont really agree that he should never fold his overpairs here to a check raise (talking about the T7 hand that hit 2 pair on the river). What bluffs do you ever have here? Your hand looks a lot like what it is - either 2 pair or a straight you backed into.... I think its pretty obvious and a decent player would fold AA. I obviously still think check raising to a reasonable amount is the best play because he might talk himself into calling, and I don't think he's ever ever 3bet bluffing, but I dont expect to get that much value from it at the same time. Also, given that I don't expect to get bluffed, I'd be folding if he did 3bet.
I think raising to 74 to 290 with 110 in the middle was too much given that its just not a spot we are bluffing much. What hands are you hoping he calls with? What if he 3bet jams for his last like 200?
Both myself and FWF answered what we expect villain to call with. If you disagree then nothing we can do about it. How can you say it's not a spot where we bluff alot? We should be bluffing here like crazy if we expect villain to fold overpairs. Even if villian jams last 1 dollar into the pot and we think we're beat 100% of the times we should fold so if villain jams we put him on a range and call or fold based on that.
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