Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by DeathDonkey (High Stakes)

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K72

Let's talk about what tendencies in our opponents range should affect how we plan this hand for different parts of our range.

1) Pf range
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2) Peel wide vs flop raise?
3) Rebluffs vs flop raise?
4) SD bound after flop raise?
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BF, BC, XR, XF turn with
5) Made hands
6) Nothing
7) Weak SD hands.
8) Call down vs raise?
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Please add important factors that are missing!

Now how do we want to play a K?

If 2,3,4 are true and villain likes to give up with bluffs and XC weak made hands fastplaying is clearly better.
If 2,3,4 are false and villain likes to barell with most his hands, we should C flop and pop the tun (or wait for river even).

Do we agree?

DD u were slightly unlogical, I think, in that u seemed to assume a flop bluff-raise won't work and villain will frequently give up on the turn, but yet it sounded like u wanted to slow-play a K? Under those assumptions I think fastplaying could be better?


T6o:
To call intending to bluff when X to We need 2-4 to be falsish and we need villain to give up with some bluffs and Jx stuff. We prefer if he barells made hands and weak SD hands, like Ax, so we don't get trapped when he X. Also he should be SD-bound when betting so that a bluff-raise is poor. (However this last point obv doesn't affct what we do to a X)


I kind of think T6 is a bad hand to call with for some reasons: We can never turn a strong draw. Hands like 54, 65, T8 etc all have multiple cards to turn better hands. We only have 1 over card to the 7. Finally If villain X on the turn we should bet but chances are we are not getting many better hands to fold. It's not a good bluffing hand because it's almost too strong.

I'd love to discuss this more. But phew I pause fornow !

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If u get 3-bet, do u call?

If u get 3-bet, do u call?

Yes I call and fold the turn unimproved, and sometimes semibluff when I hit a club. I think this works well because this is my favorite pet line with monsters too (raise flop, call 3 bet, raise turn).

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If this board came down Q2588 would you not be betting AK for value from the SB? Seems like an easy bet out of position for value/because so many hands we beat that might call would check back.

I demand some reaction on my long post! Otherwise I will start herassing people on skype!

I demand some reaction on my long post! Otherwise I will start herassing people on skype!

Did MickeyWins hack into your DC accounts?

Awesome episode. 5 stars.

I go crazy with strong hands in position on draw heavy flops, like the KJ hand. Like Mike later mentions, we need to give him a chance to spew into our strong holding. I have found that a great way to induce this spew is to sometimes raise or 3bet the flop for a free card. This can further be balanced by doing this with an Ahigh (two overs) or non-SD bound draw that is taking a free card.

vgood discussion on rivers. keep it up guys.

ciao

BG

I demand some reaction on my long post! Otherwise I will start herassing people on skype!

Yeah need some time when I can give it full attention, hopefully over weekend.

Yeah need some time when I can give it full attention, hopefully over weekend.

Thanks DD !!! Tried to herass pygball, but he didn't respond .

(I have allready troubled fnupple and boomer on the subject though )

Ok in response to your long questions sushi,

You are very correct about conditions 2, 3, 4, and what we should do if they are true, we should fastplay. This is most often the case when against a loose passive player (or a maniac). It is kinda poor vs a good LAG or even a bad LAG.

I think you are right that my logic was faulty, I basically set up a situation where I get to have it both ways, and I try to point that out in people's forum posts a lot, so yeah good catch. I think looking back at it, the flop call represents a weak made hand to a lot of people, which is a good thing, because we really just want them to give up on their bluff and decide its not worth multiple barrels. Now its true, that when we have a king we don't want that, but there does need to be some balance. We can't just expect him to fall for the float play all the time, so obviously we need to have some hands that call down, and also some hands that we can raise on the turn. Picked up strong draws and slowplayed hands make good candidates. So in conclusion against a thinking player, I think we really should be waiting til the turn with a ton of stuff here, because its going to make us very tough to play against on the turn.

I think you make very good points about T6o not being a great float candidate. I searched through some hands for the video and I just wanted to find one float spot that would let us talk about the concept, I probably should have emphasized more during the video that this is probably not ideal.

Oh one thing I think you are wrong on is when you said "to float T6o we need points 2-4 to be falsish" - I think we want them to be true? Meaning if we raise flop bad things happen when we are bluffing. This makes a float the ideal "cheap" bluff.

I think you make very good points about T6o not being a great float candidate. I searched through some hands for the video and I just wanted to find one float spot that would let us talk about the concept, I probably should have emphasized more during the video that this is probably not ideal.

Ah that makes sense. Mike needs to grind more to give u a bigger databank .

Oh one thing I think you are wrong on is when you said "to float T6o we need points 2-4 to be falsish" - I think we want them to be true? Meaning if we raise flop bad things happen when we are bluffing. This makes a float the ideal "cheap" bluff.

Going over it again I agree. My logic was flawed. It's fun thing about logic that even after working with it daily many years I still frequently come to the opposite conlusion.

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Just getting caught up on this great series.

You guys say how this is a great river to bluff raise. I'd like to understand this a little bit more. I'm kind of confused as to what hands we're expecting to fold out. Ace high is pretty much never betting this river. While I know that calling would be pretty terrible, we already beat almost all bluffs. When we raise, I think villain would have a hard time folding all but the very bottom of his range that he's v-betting (the obvious monsters, big pocket pairs, jacks, nines and maybe eights).

Just getting caught up on this great series.

You guys say how this is a great river to bluff raise. I'd like to understand this a little bit more. I'm kind of confused as to what hands we're expecting to fold out. Ace high is pretty much never betting this river. While I know that calling would be pretty terrible, we already beat almost all bluffs. When we raise, I think villain would have a hard time folding all but the very bottom of his range that he's v-betting (the obvious monsters, big pocket pairs, jacks, nines and maybe eights).

We'd basically be asking villain to fold 5x, 66, 77, and maybe 9x. I feel like a good hand reader could make a semi big laydown here since the obvious draws coming in just makes sense. That said I argue against river bluff raises quite often in this series

@around 39:00 a hand with K4 comes up where it was decided on some action that would lead hero to the turn on 95J

this kind of hand/sitaution comes up very often and i'd just like more of a more concrete answer if possible about what to do with this type of holding

my understanding is that we have enough equity/pot odds to call but because of the drawy nature of the board and how we would play every other hand in our range seemingly, we should then be raising with Kc4x here also?

in your video, DD, u seemed to have wanted to raise the flop but im wondering if that is correct seeing as our backdoor outs are to gutshots or running clubs. we also have a ton of other semibluffing hands that are much better on this board so do we need to including this particular type of hand in it as well?

what happens when we have a hand like A3o where i dont think we should be raising and with consideration to villains observation of our range?

Tough spot, I think i call there much more than I used to, especially w the Ax type stuff. People double barrel pretty automatically so i peel a good bit intending to CR turn when I hit / sometimes w a good semibluffing hand, and sometimes just have to call three times w weak but ok hands.