Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by DeathDonkey (High Stakes)

Time Link to 00:02:47

Bryce reasons as follows: Since SB always c-bet any flop we are effectively getting 4:1 to play our hand in postion. The very bottom hands still have like ~30% equity. Given that we also have postion we should be abl to profitably defend any two.

Comments?

Does this mean that c-betting 100% is actually a quite poor and exploiatble strategy?

Time Link to 00:12:50

I know this is requesting some extra work, but IMO it would be super useful if u guys actually had prepared some strategies for the flop in range form. Like: I think we should raise these hands and call these ones. At least one such strat (preferably one each) that u can have as a starting point for the discussion.

I mean u have to talk about balance in these wide range spot IMO, which u indeed do. But that discssion would be much more precise and easier to follow if we were given some visual support. An added benefit would be that it forces the two of u to really think through the situation.

Since I know it is not reasonable to request a master paper I think two lines each like

R: XX,...
C: YY,...

would be a quick way to give something concrete to discuss and stop u from using vague formulations ("we need to be balanced"). Also it's easier to discuss how to adopt when u have somethig to adopt from.

Obv it depends a lot of the opp, which is something to discuss (which u did).

Time Link to 00:24:37

Interesting discussion on bluff raising this QT2r board. The thing that is weird is that all draws except 98 actually has some SD value on a double broadway board. Like if we bluff our stright draws lie K9, KJ what are we really hoping to achieve? On the other hand pure bluffing seems wild .

Time Link to 00:34:57

Do u ever not riase a naked J on the turn? I mean if someone raised a 9 river from BB I would have difficulties putting him on a hand. J2 seems possible I guess?

Good work guys! Enjoyed!!!

Time Link to 00:55:19

I'm with DD on this one, I like raising any hand that I want to continue with here

Any pair, any draw and the very bottom of our range that we can use for bluffs to keep us balanced

I think the 45 is a perfect hand to do that with cause we've got some equity when he continues and we're getting a lot of better hands to fold and some percentage of the time the turn with come the 9 and he'll throw away a 3

Time Link to 00:57:29

I fire every river, I just don't see how that can ever be bad with our hand

We've got 5 high and we've taken somewhat of a strong line and sometimes the guy gets stubborn with some hands and is planning on b/c'ing and c/f'ing UI

EDIT: didn't even think about pairing the river, I like a check then

Good work guys! Enjoyed!!!

+1, good to see you back mike

I have a complaint about non-poker technical stuff. As in all the 5 in a crowd series, DD's voice is much lower than mikel's. It's fine if I turn up my speaker, but when I'm commuting I cannot watch the video because I'll either miss all DD's comments or get my ears busted by mike's voice. Is there a way to fix it for future episodes?

Other than that great idea and I'll squeeze some time to watch and make some comments

Bryce reasons as follows: Since SB always c-bet any flop we are effectively getting 4:1 to play our hand in postion. The very bottom hands still have like ~30% equity. Given that we also have postion we should be abl to profitably defend any two.

Comments?

Does this mean that c-betting 100% is actually a quite poor and exploiatble strategy?

yes and no. C-betting 100% is not optimal. But realize that if we are checking flops, defending is more attractive because we can take free cards when we need them and win a few more pots UI

Love the concept of this series. Look forward to seeing what other spots you're going to focus on. This series could run forever.

I have a complaint about non-poker technical stuff. As in all the 5 in a crowd series, DD's voice is much lower than mikel's. It's fine if I turn up my speaker, but when I'm commuting I cannot watch the video because I'll either miss all DD's comments or get my ears busted by mike's voice. Is there a way to fix it for future episodes?

Other than that great idea and I'll squeeze some time to watch and make some comments

EP 2 is recorded but I will work on this. Sorry about that, I am not accustomed to being more quiet than anyone!

Time Link to 00:38:53

DD, if you call here with most hands, what hands do you raise the turn with? And what turn cards would you not be raising with a 5x hand? And how do you react to a 3-bet on the turn with a 5x hand, muck?

DD, if you call here with most hands, what hands do you raise the turn with? And what turn cards would you not be raising with a 5x hand? And how do you react to a 3-bet on the turn with a 5x hand, muck?

Well obviously an ace, other face cards are moderately bad. More important would be the villain in question, some guys just don't double barrel all the time and mike and I discussed that I think. Same story for what to do vs a 3 bet, I'd call down vs a lot of people because I think they can spaz out when you do that, and someone smart told me when people see you value raising thin they will try to 3 bet bluff you, but there are certain guys who just don't have that sort of thing in them, and a 3 bet is trips or better period.

EP 2 is recorded but I will work on this. Sorry about that, I am not accustomed to being more quiet than anyone!

btw it just occurred to me that I was sick during this first episode, so even episode 2 might be a bit better and I'll be back to my normal, loud self.

A+. you guys work so well together. keep it up!

Time Link to 01:02:43

If SB think we wait to turn a fair bit with draws and doesnt think we value raise turn all that light on this kind of board, I think a b/c is not bad at all from SB`s perspective. Heros range with these assumptions will be very polarized and you have a somewhat easy call with bottom pair.

For SB to c/c turn would at least to me look exactly like the hand he has and Hero is gotta think he doesnt have a lot of fold equity here. Of course given that Hero thinks SB will second barrell most of the hands without SD value together with the clearcut valuebets. So I kind of disagree with Mike here..

The river is a semi-brick and SB still beats a decent chunk of Heros turn semi bluff range, so he gotta call again.

Could of course be that SB is just another raging lunatic, but I could definitely see myself taking the same line as him here.

Time Link to 00:14:24

I also prefer a bet here. If villain decides to fold with K high or whatever I think there's some value in not giving out information. That is, when I bet and he folds he doesn't know if I 3-barreled 95, if I semi-bluffed the flop with JT, if I just had a straight up value hand, how thinly I can/can't value bet, etc.

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phenomenal series idea

5 star vid

omg, love river bluffing discussion in wide range bvb situations. With respect to all, Mike l. is the only coach I have heard discuss this, and I agree with his comment in the vid - paraphrased, against tough opposition, good river bluffs will add profitability to our entire game.

ciao

BG

agreed this is a great video, and can hardly wait to see more.

Q: Is it your experience that at higher limits the players are used to a HUHU style, so that B v B just turns into one of those?

Reason I ask, 30/60 live game at bellagio, I have watched a lot, and they do not seem to have the same "B v B ... yum yum" attitude you take for granted online. Their play seems much more str8 forward, more like what you would expect from FR, or 6 max players (agreed B v B IS HU, but it is not 2 HU specialists playing each other, right?)

just wondered your thoughts on comparing 6 max or FR blind battles vs 3 handed or HU playing styles.

which

Short answer is you are correctly noting you are comparing apples to oranges. 30/60 live game plays like a small stakes online game, possibly as weak as the level of aggression you'd find in a 3/6 or 5/10 game online. As a result these guys are not super experienced shorthanded or heads up. This is somewhat true of the full ring players online, but not really the winning 6 max players, who often play tables 2-4 handed.

As you get to higher stakes, such as 100/200+ live and probably 15/30+ online, it is more common that even in full ring games, the players are experienced enough at shorthanded or heads up play to play their blinds well.