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King for a Day 3: MEMBERS ONLY: Episode One

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King for a Day 3: MEMBERS ONLY: Episode One by sthief09

Sthief09 is back with a new season of review videos. This week is focusing on 50NL play by a DC member.

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Josh “sthief09” Plotkin delivers the third installment of one of our most popular series, “King for a Day.” Josh will review member vids at small stakes 6max NL.

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  • 67 minutes long
  • Posted about 2 years ago

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nakke

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Ship it! S1&2 were one of the best seires here, can't wait to see this one Smile

Btw, have you thought of doing some The Coaching Tree-ish videos in this series?

Posted about 2 years ago

Faut

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why not to raise the limper with A2o on the BTN, one of the first hands of the session?

Posted about 2 years ago

derover

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33:20, the QTo hand; i agree we shouldnt be calling here, but we could represent KJ/KQ here maybe and go for a checkraise on the river? Providing the btn can handread a bit. Would you ever consider this on these stakes vs this player (looks like a TAG)? If so, how much would you make it ?

Posted about 2 years ago

Joe Tall

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why not to raise the limper with A2o on the BTN, one of the first hands of the session?




Please leave a time-stamp or better yet, Watch this short video, and leave a time link!

That will be much easier for the coaches to find the hand and answer your questions, thanks.

Posted about 2 years ago

sthief09

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why not to raise the limper with A2o on the BTN, one of the first hands of the session?



As Joe Tall mentioned, a time stamp would be helpful in the future. I most likely just missed that spot since I was focusing on post-flop situations. However, I'd want the limper to be a pretty terrible player to raise a hand as poor as A2o. I feel offsuit aces are weaker than a lot of other people do, and obviously A2o is the weakest of the bunch.

Posted about 2 years ago

sthief09

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33:20, the QTo hand; i agree we shouldnt be calling here, but we could represent KJ/KQ here maybe and go for a checkraise on the river? Providing the btn can handread a bit. Would you ever consider this on these stakes vs this player (looks like a TAG)? If so, how much would you make it ?



I suppose we can represent a flopped gutter that rivered trips since he bet so small on the flop. Under normal circumstances we wouldn't be representing much since we wouldn't be check/calling with K-high on the flop.

He will have Kx sometimes, and he will call with Ax sometimes. I doubt he's bluffing more than a few % of the time. So it's a matter of risk vs. reward. There was 13 in the pot and he bet 7. A pot-sized raise (offering him 2-1) would be 34. I think around 30 would get the job done. That's risking 30 to win 20, needing to work 60%. In a vacuum it looks close to me. Image/history considerations might push it in one direction or the other, but it's the type of thing that I've done less and less over time. It's the type of play that will jack up your variance without really adding anything to your bottom line.

I should note that it's great to be open-minded like this. Always look for spots to do something unorthodox. Even if you decide against it, it's always a good thing to consider all your options.

Posted about 2 years ago

sthief09

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Btw, have you thought of doing some The Coaching Tree-ish videos in this series?




I actually did one episode like this in S2, but I forgot about that and will definitely consider doing it again for this season. I had several people I wasn't able to fit into the series so maybe I can get a couple involved in some episodes. Great idea.

Posted about 2 years ago

spotDEspot

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Time Link to 00:20:30

Not sure we can see how this guy got his stack as we have only been at the table for 15 hands - he could have doubled up before we sat down.

Posted about 2 years ago

krumpy

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1:00 AQ. First thanks for taking a look. I found it very helpful. I know he has aggressive stats, but the only hand I remember seeing him put lots of money in the pot with was AK when he flopped an A. I'm probably too cautious, but I tend to give raises from bad players credit (until proven wrong ie the guy on the other table) as they are never thinking about what worse hands can call and instead just thinking I have a big hand "pot it". If you call here are you always stacking off if he shoves the turn?

Posted about 2 years ago

sthief09

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Not sure we can see how this guy got his stack as we have only been at the table for 15 hands - he could have doubled up before we sat down.



We have exactly 15 hands on him so I think all the HUD stats are based on that table session. I have a feeling if we went back and looked at those hands, we would have seen something that would have inclined us to call.

Posted about 2 years ago

sthief09

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1:00 AQ. First thanks for taking a look. I found it very helpful. I know he has aggressive stats, but the only hand I remember seeing him put lots of money in the pot with was AK when he flopped an A. I'm probably too cautious, but I tend to give raises from bad players credit (until proven wrong ie the guy on the other table) as they are never thinking about what worse hands can call and instead just thinking I have a big hand "pot it".



I'm glad I could help. There is a big difference between raises from bad players and from good players. A good player might bluff more, but his value range will almost always beat your hand here. A bad player might not bluff as often, but he might raise a hand simply because he thinks he has the best hand. So vs. most TAGs, AQ and KQ aren't too far from Q-rag because he's either raising bluffs or AQ/sets and almost never QJ. Vs. a LAG, AQ is significantly stronger than QT because he's much more likely to have KQ, QJ, QT here.

If you call here are you always stacking off if he shoves the turn?



Yes, I stack off and feel pretty good about it. You will see him show up with some pretty funny/weird hands.

Posted about 2 years ago

TwoDolphins

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We have exactly 15 hands on him so I think all the HUD stats are based on that table session. I have a feeling if we went back and looked at those hands, we would have seen something that would have inclined us to call.


It's not him who has played 15 hands on that table. It's you (or actually the guy who did the video). We have already seen 8 of those 15 hands on video, so most likely he did double up before we sat on table.

Posted about 2 years ago

DarkApfelstrudel

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33:20, the QTo hand;
That is probably a big leak of mine but I am calling here a large % of the time.
I donot think his range after coldcalling on the button is very Ax heavy and I donot think he would block/valuebet a Kx Hand on the Turn.
I think his range is very weighted to missed GS+something draw that realises that we are not very strong when we c/c 2 really small bets and now bets larger to get us to fold or he has a weirdly played monster like 77.

But maybe that is just paranoid thinking.

Posted about 2 years ago

sthief09

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It's not him who has played 15 hands on that table. It's you (or actually the guy who did the video). We have already seen 8 of those 15 hands on video, so most likely he did double up before we sat on table.



Ah yes, I don't know why I wasn't processing this.

Posted about 2 years ago

sthief09

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33:20, the QTo hand;
That is probably a big leak of mine but I am calling here a large % of the time.
I donot think his range after coldcalling on the button is very Ax heavy and I donot think he would block/valuebet a Kx Hand on the Turn.
I think his range is very weighted to missed GS+something draw that realises that we are not very strong when we c/c 2 really small bets and now bets larger to get us to fold or he has a weirdly played monster like 77.

But maybe that is just paranoid thinking.




I think it is paranoid thinking. Some of the gutters are straights and trips. Others were complete trash on the turn. Generally speaking, when a TAG bets small as he did on the turn (and on the river to less of an extent), he's not trying to coax a fold. You may win sometimes here, but I'm confident that this is a losing call on the river.

Posted about 2 years ago

jonk

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Time Link to 00:32:01

What do you think about leading here if the turn was a Q? With the possible straight draws out there, we can charge them instead of letting the villain choose if they want a free card or not.

Posted about 2 years ago

sthief09

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What do you think about leading here if the turn was a Q? With the possible straight draws out there, we can charge them instead of letting the villain choose if they want a free card or not.



I agree with betting if we turned 2 pair. You should fold to most raises though. Still, it's better than check-calling, and check-raising would be bad.

Posted about 2 years ago

casinoble

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Time Link to 00:17:34

Kinneret33 had almost a double stack when the video started. We don't know what happened in the first seven hands, but he didn't double it in the eight hands we see.

Posted about 2 years ago

shades

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Betsizing here -
IP id cbet this $3 , oop $3.5 or $4 , hero went for $4
If the board was J72r and we held AQ , our equity increased so would that ever factor into our bet sizing in this spot ? or does OOP outweight that extra equity ?

Posted about 2 years ago

shades

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Table 1 - Q9o BTN , hero has clicked the autofold button after the weak player limps - this is a standard isolate for me , any reason not to in this spot ?

Just noticed it happens again on table 2 at 15min mark , UTG limps were in CO and btn is very tight , also right after i see him fold A9o on btn on table 3 , id steal with this.

Spoted another , 23mins , table 1 QJs UTG and hero folds , that seems very nitty to me.

Just noticed your reply that your focusing more on post flop so i wont timestamp any more preflop steal or iso spots but i think these are spots where hero could open his game.

Posted about 2 years ago

shades

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KJs table 4 , hero talks about how he wants to establish an image , but when we 3bet here and it goes to showdown theres not much of an image created , an observant player at table would probably just view that as standard , whereas if we had Q7o and got to showdown now we are creating image. I think its important that we have the right reason for 3betting here , namely for value , and i dont think image is much of a factor in this case. Would you agree ?

Posted about 2 years ago

sthief09

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Betsizing here -
IP id cbet this $3 , oop $3.5 or $4 , hero went for $4
If the board was J72r and we held AQ , our equity increased so would that ever factor into our bet sizing in this spot ? or does OOP outweight that extra equity ?



Fundamentally, it makes sense to bet bigger when you have more equity. You'd prefer to take cheaper stabs when you have poorer equity when called.

Posted about 2 years ago

sthief09

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Table 1 - Q9o BTN , hero has clicked the autofold button after the weak player limps - this is a standard isolate for me , any reason not to in this spot ?

Just noticed it happens again on table 2 at 15min mark , UTG limps were in CO and btn is very tight , also right after i see him fold A9o on btn on table 3 , id steal with this.

Spoted another , 23mins , table 1 QJs UTG and hero folds , that seems very nitty to me.

Just noticed your reply that your focusing more on post flop so i wont timestamp any more preflop steal or iso spots but i think these are spots where hero could open his game.




I missed the Q9o one but agree that's fine to iso-raise with. I had the QJs UTG fold noted down but decided to focus on the postflop spots. I agree that's a super standard open UTG. I'd prefer to open with that hand than a baby pocket pair.

Posted about 2 years ago

sthief09

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KJs table 4 , hero talks about how he wants to establish an image , but when we 3bet here and it goes to showdown theres not much of an image created , an observant player at table would probably just view that as standard , whereas if we had Q7o and got to showdown now we are creating image. I think its important that we have the right reason for 3betting here , namely for value , and i dont think image is much of a factor in this case. Would you agree ?



Even if you 3-bet and villain folds, it establishes a 3-betting history. If you're dealt a big hand within the next orbit or two, he might be more inclined to play back lightly than he would if you had never 3-bet him before. On the flip-side, some people will 4-bet against the first 3-bet since they expect this sort of thing. I definitely do not think this is an overwhelming reason to 3-bet, but it's something to consider.

Posted about 2 years ago

shades

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Time Link to 00:53:40

Thanks for the comments so far

AA hand , how wide are you willing to call here in order to bring the limper into the pot ?

Is this range reasonable,
All PP , all Ax's , AJ+ , all suited broadways

So when you do 3bet youd either have a bluff or KJo/KQo type hand

Also if limper was CO , iso came from BTN and we are in SB , how does that effect your 3bet/calling range.

Posted about 2 years ago

TecmoSuperBowl

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AJo vs UTG. You mentioned if the crazy dude who stacked off A2 pre was in the blinds it would be a clear call. Obv we like keeping the fish in, but isn't his previous preflop looseness a reason to 3b and attempt to iso in position? He's clearly calling pre w/ any pretty, shiny hand and by 3b we may get him all to ourselves. Thoughts?

Posted about 2 years ago

sthief09

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AJo vs UTG. You mentioned if the crazy dude who stacked off A2 pre was in the blinds it would be a clear call. Obv we like keeping the fish in, but isn't his previous preflop looseness a reason to 3b and attempt to iso in position? He's clearly calling pre w/ any pretty, shiny hand and by 3b we may get him all to ourselves. Thoughts?



It looks like that guy folded preflop. I agree if he opened, we should 3-bet him.

Posted about 2 years ago

sthief09

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Thanks for the comments so far

AA hand , how wide are you willing to call here in order to bring the limper into the pot ?

Is this range reasonable,
All PP , all Ax's , AJ+ , all suited broadways

So when you do 3bet youd either have a bluff or KJo/KQo type hand

Also if limper was CO , iso came from BTN and we are in SB , how does that effect your 3bet/calling range.




Even KQo/KJo will play well vs. a loose player since they lose too much postflop with 2nd best 1-pair hands. There are degrees of badness, and if the player in the blinds is very bad, then I'd let him in with KJo. Even if he's not completely terrible I probably flat KQo since it's not a fantastic 3-bet hand in position and the player in the blinds makes calling an attractive option.

If I'm in the SB, for one I'll fold some hands I'd call on the button. As far as calling vs. 3-betting, I believe 3-betting gains some value relative to calling. This is especially true with offsuit hands since you'll be in the worst position, often 3-ways. I'll still tend to flat my suited broadway. AKo, AQo, AKs, AQs, KQo, KJo, etc. depend on the players. If the BB is truly awful I could see myself calling with all of those hands. If the BTN spews vs. 3-bets and/or the BB isn't horrible postflop I might still 3-bet the stronger ones. If the BTN folds to too many 3-bets I'll 3-bet the KJo/KQo. I'll often flat AQs/AJs/KQs in that spot though. If I flop TPTK I lead right out.

The important thing here is to consider both players. There's no one right answer. It depends on the BTN's opening range, his tendencies vs. 3-bets, and how bad the BB is both pre- and post-flop. Hopefully this at least explained my thought process.

Posted about 2 years ago

shades

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Even KQo/KJo will play well vs. a loose player since they lose too much postflop with 2nd best 1-pair hands. There are degrees of badness, and if the player in the blinds is very bad, then I'd let him in with KJo. Even if he's not completely terrible I probably flat KQo since it's not a fantastic 3-bet hand in position and the player in the blinds makes calling an attractive option.

If I'm in the SB, for one I'll fold some hands I'd call on the button. As far as calling vs. 3-betting, I believe 3-betting gains some value relative to calling. This is especially true with offsuit hands since you'll be in the worst position, often 3-ways. I'll still tend to flat my suited broadway. AKo, AQo, AKs, AQs, KQo, KJo, etc. depend on the players. If the BB is truly awful I could see myself calling with all of those hands. If the BTN spews vs. 3-bets and/or the BB isn't horrible postflop I might still 3-bet the stronger ones. If the BTN folds to too many 3-bets I'll 3-bet the KJo/KQo. I'll often flat AQs/AJs/KQs in that spot though. If I flop TPTK I lead right out.

The important thing here is to consider both players. There's no one right answer. It depends on the BTN's opening range, his tendencies vs. 3-bets, and how bad the BB is both pre- and post-flop. Hopefully this at least explained my thought process.



Its a hard question since it depends on dynamics alot , nice answer tho , that helps , cheers

Posted about 2 years ago

Belgariad

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Even KQo/KJo will play well vs. a loose player since they lose too much postflop with 2nd best 1-pair hands. There are degrees of badness, and if the player in the blinds is very bad, then I'd let him in with KJo. Even if he's not completely terrible I probably flat KQo since it's not a fantastic 3-bet hand in position and the player in the blinds makes calling an attractive option.

If I'm in the SB, for one I'll fold some hands I'd call on the button. As far as calling vs. 3-betting, I believe 3-betting gains some value relative to calling. This is especially true with offsuit hands since you'll be in the worst position, often 3-ways. I'll still tend to flat my suited broadway. AKo, AQo, AKs, AQs, KQo, KJo, etc. depend on the players. If the BB is truly awful I could see myself calling with all of those hands. If the BTN spews vs. 3-bets and/or the BB isn't horrible postflop I might still 3-bet the stronger ones. If the BTN folds to too many 3-bets I'll 3-bet the KJo/KQo. I'll often flat AQs/AJs/KQs in that spot though. If I flop TPTK I lead right out.

The important thing here is to consider both players. There's no one right answer. It depends on the BTN's opening range, his tendencies vs. 3-bets, and how bad the BB is both pre- and post-flop. Hopefully this at least explained my thought process.



Shouldnt we be flatting with possibly our entire range in this spot?
I mean if we 3Bet and loose the pushfish we loose a stack basically since he will stack off with anything?
I mean what is the point of 3betting at all?
The only reason is to prevent a Squeeze from someone behind us but thats not very likely and then its no big deal we call if the fish calls and fold if he folds, no?
3Betbluffing with the fish left to act is useless?

Posted about 2 years ago

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With the 66 hand when the villan check/ raise all in on the 245 flop - you said that it is a little on the 'scary' side as he doesnt call - shouldn't it matter that the villan is so passive? I expect him to call with hands like AQ or 2overcards in general.

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