Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by bosoxx34 (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:05:38

your really saying that if you even put out 30 or half pot bet that you wont get called half of the time? he has tons of hands that could call a bet esp since you said he doesnt like to fold and obv wed be tripled barreling this spot a fair amount if hes peeling turns with gutters

your really saying that if you even put out 30 or half pot bet that you wont get called half of the time? he has tons of hands that could call a bet esp since you said he doesnt like to fold and obv wed be tripled barreling this spot a fair amount if hes peeling turns with gutters

I actually don't think we get called that much by worse hands. Maybe a jack, maybe an ace that floated the flop. It just seems to me that we'd be value towning ourselves a ton. If we were going to bet, I do like your bet size not only to get called by worse but to induce a shove from a frustrated draw.

Also, this was fairly early in the match and we hadn't really set up a 3 barreling dynamic, we had some stats on him from earlier but we're not sure how he's going to react to us.

Just a "heads up", your video title on the main page shows this as a 6max.

Very good series.

I want to learn HU, and it's very helpfull.

Thanks

Why do you valuebet so small? Almost every valuebet is just over half pot, when villain has been calling very loose this doens't make any sense to me. I would argue that this villain will call a 75% potbet just as much.

Time Link to 00:43:37

yeah pretty sick spot. I initially thought check raise the river, but think thats pretty awful because he's never calling with worse.

I agree AQ seems the most likely hand, I dont think he floats with TJ either, he seems more the kind to float with overs, but then again what else could he have? He has to at least consider that you could have AK or AQ yourself and missed a turn c/r so TJ makes some sense on the river, as sets arent afraid of being check raised here whereas TJ is always checking back the turn.

I think I agree with Simon, that its a fold, I just cant see him doing it as a bluff ever.

Time Link to 00:44:39

Here with TT in a 3bet pot, he cbets a J high flop then checks the K turn. This a spot I'm often unsure of the right line, obviously I think we bet our air almost 100% on this turn but then with a made hand is the best line to try get to showdown or turn it into a bluff?

Here with TT in a 3bet pot, he cbets a J high flop then checks the K turn. This a spot I'm often unsure of the right line, obviously I think we bet our air almost 100% on this turn but then with a made hand is the best line to try get to showdown or turn it into a bluff?

A lot of players at 200 and below won't fire turn and river with a float so with weaker made hands in 3bet pots you can call this turn a lot of the time and fold the river. While you're generally getting good odds on the river most won't fire that last barrel. This is generally an uncomfortable spot for everyone, but another suggestion I have is to play round with some HEM filters and see what people are showing up with when you get to showdown after checking the turn.

General question (I can't find the time stamp.) But you mention that it is more +EV to 3 or 4 table 1 opponent vs playing the same # of tables, but w/ 3 or 4 separate opponents.

Can you explain why? Is it because sucking out on one table can cause tilt on all 3 or 4? Or because you have more data to adjust your ranges when making hero calls or barrels on turn/river? I know both of these factors probably come into play but are there any others? Plus how are these benefits offset by not trying to play fish (which is a very +EV spot HU)?

tx, s/s.

for me its because having to think about more than 2 opponents tendencies just becomes too much. I guess when its the same person he plays the same on all 3 tables.

General question (I can't find the time stamp.) But you mention that it is more +EV to 3 or 4 table 1 opponent vs playing the same # of tables, but w/ 3 or 4 separate opponents.

Can you explain why? Is it because sucking out on one table can cause tilt on all 3 or 4? Or because you have more data to adjust your ranges when making hero calls or barrels on turn/river? I know both of these factors probably come into play but are there any others? Plus how are these benefits offset by not trying to play fish (which is a very +EV spot HU)?

GilgUK touched on it, but when i start to 3 and 4 table completely different opponents I tend to autopilot and just play one style against every different opponent. I'll bluff calling stations and call down against nits. Whereas against one specific opponent I'm able to focus in on their style of play and how to exploit them.

hi everyone, i am "that guy that just doesn't like folding" and a new member to DC
played simon again yesterday and he told me about it so i had to watch it of course i hope DC vids can teach me to fold sometimes cause as u saw i really tend to be a station. however, i still think that some of my plays were decent and gave him a hard time, but ok some calls were just bad at least i created a good image^^

well to some of the interesting hands:
ship on KxxAQ on the river: i really did have JT, dont know, really loose flop call by me once again, i intended to take it away on the river a good amount of the time. nice fold =)

AA v 77 a bit deeper: from my perspective that was the most interesting hand. how do you guys play the river with AA there? c/c really sucks, cause he will have me beat a lot with 2pairs or pairs+GS that got there and he is not betting onepair hands usually. but can i really c/f there? given his assumptions that i am not bluffing rivers (which i dont think is true, just spots werent great ) i doubt that there is a lot of value in pushing because i wont get a lot of close calls.
furthermore i am not sure if i really like his turncall. i mean, of course i was aggressive but calling the turn with the intention of folding most rivers simply because you assume that V almost never bluffs there seems thin to me with only PS left but looking forward to other opinions.

Q9 on that 89xcc flop: it is obviously close and i know that against his pushingrange i am either crushed or flipping but i felt like after i was c/r so much there was a good chance he is rebluffing. it might be best to just call there but then i am really only playing a guessing game, cause more than half of the deck might improve him in some way. so i decided to jam cause i felt like winning pot right there is a nice result and if he calls i am at least not totally toasted there.

so that was my point of view on some of the hands. looking forward to your opinions. and at least i know now that i should be bluffing rivers more

cheers

hi everyone, i am "that guy that just doesn't like folding" and a new member to DC
played simon again yesterday and he told me about it so i had to watch it of course i hope DC vids can teach me to fold sometimes cause as u saw i really tend to be a station. however, i still think that some of my plays were decent and gave him a hard time, but ok some calls were just bad at least i created a good image^^

well to some of the interesting hands:
ship on KxxAQ on the river: i really did have JT, dont know, really loose flop call by me once again, i intended to take it away on the river a good amount of the time. nice fold =)

AA v 77 a bit deeper: from my perspective that was the most interesting hand. how do you guys play the river with AA there? c/c really sucks, cause he will have me beat a lot with 2pairs or pairs+GS that got there and he is not betting onepair hands usually. but can i really c/f there? given his assumptions that i am not bluffing rivers (which i dont think is true, just spots werent great ) i doubt that there is a lot of value in pushing because i wont get a lot of close calls.
furthermore i am not sure if i really like his turncall. i mean, of course i was aggressive but calling the turn with the intention of folding most rivers simply because you assume that V almost never bluffs there seems thin to me with only PS left but looking forward to other opinions.

Q9 on that 89xcc flop: it is obviously close and i know that against his pushingrange i am either crushed or flipping but i felt like after i was c/r so much there was a good chance he is rebluffing. it might be best to just call there but then i am really only playing a guessing game, cause more than half of the deck might improve him in some way. so i decided to jam cause i felt like winning pot right there is a nice result and if he calls i am at least not totally toasted there.

so that was my point of view on some of the hands. looking forward to your opinions. and at least i know now that i should be bluffing rivers more

cheers

Welcome to DC. While you didn't love to fold you did put us in quite a few tough spots because of it and really forced Simon to have to adjust on the fly. At first I thought you were pretty fishy, but as the video went on it was clear you had an idea of what you were doing. Before I get started, I just want to say if your style works for you and it seems like it does don't change it too much. You don't have to fold a ton or start bluffing a ton of rivers, just enough to balance. A lot of guys like to call with random hands and not bluff future streets, you certainly didn't have that problem.

I am really surprised by the JT hand, I had your value hands as QK or AQ.

That AA hand is such a bad spot. As tough as it would be to do I like c/f. As much as we were telling you to bluff rivers we hadn't done it a whole lot either. Also, a lot of players at 200 and below aren't going to turn a made hand into a bluff there or double float you to take it away on the river. So a lot of times you'll get to SD and win or have to fold but you're rarely getting bluffed there, unless your opponent is super crazy.

I don't remember the Q9 hand, can you time stamp it?

Time Link to 00:56:37

that is the point in time with the hand where i have Q9 vs his superstrong draw, the thing was that i had to showdown quite some hands were i was c/r flps with basically nothing but 2 overs so i thought that my percieved range containend a lot of hands that would fold to a 3bet on the flop. if was c/r draws and medium strength hands only i think calling is way better here, since his 3bet does not have much FEQ. as it was i considered it at least likely that he might 3bet/fold so i thought shoving is way better than calling just because its almost impossible to figure out what a good turn is from my perspective.

that is the point in time with the hand where i have Q9 vs his superstrong draw, the thing was that i had to showdown quite some hands were i was c/r flps with basically nothing but 2 overs so i thought that my percieved range containend a lot of hands that would fold to a 3bet on the flop. if was c/r draws and medium strength hands only i think calling is way better here, since his 3bet does not have much FEQ. as it was i considered it at least likely that he might 3bet/fold so i thought shoving is way better than calling just because its almost impossible to figure out what a good turn is from my perspective.

Gotcha, if that was your rationale that's fine. You had been check-raising a bunch so it is conceivable that we could be 3bet bluffing. One thing I wanted to mention is something that Dani said in his latest video. The right choice might not lead to the easiest road. So while calling is going to put you in the toughest spot, I think it's the best choice here.

It makes it easier at the lower limits since a lot of people won't follow up on the turn a lot of the time. However, that wasn't really the case with either of you in this match. I think calling is the best play and I haven't done the math on shoving but depending on what you put his 3bet bluff frequency at, it's probably BE or slightly +EV.