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And Now for Something Different: Dominion by DeathDonkey, DJ Sensei

DeathDonkey and DJ Sensei play some Dominion, a deck building card game which has gained vast popularity over the past couple of years.

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BigOuts2Nguyen

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They came out with a new expansion to Dominion where they have an 11 cost 10 victory point card (called a Colony) and a 9 casting cost 5 money card (called a Platinum) along with a whole slew of new cards 7 drops, etc.

Great game. Love that you guys are doing a video like this for random fun games.

Posted almost 7 years ago

DeathDonkey

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Yes we play with colonies and platinum normally by default on the site we recorded this video from - we just used the basic set for the first video.

oh for everyone, site to play on: http://dominion.isotropic.org/

Posted almost 7 years ago

Boomer

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Awesome

Being a Magic nerd a lot of the guys I played with were into board games and sometimes after we'd either spent a day drafting or testing constructed Magic decks we'd play board games to relax and Dominion was one of them and it's one I really enjoyed learning, even if I was rubbish and got pwned mercilessly.

Cheaper than magic definitely Smile

Posted almost 7 years ago

BigOuts2Nguyen

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Maybe DeathDonkey can teach you how to bring balance to your Dominion game. Smile

Posted almost 7 years ago

DeathDonkey

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Awesome

Being a Magic nerd a lot of the guys I played with were into board games and sometimes after we'd either spent a day drafting or testing constructed Magic decks we'd play board games to relax and Dominion was one of them and it's one I really enjoyed learning, even if I was rubbish and got pwned mercilessly.

Cheaper than magic definitely Smile



Mike l. and I played Dominion with 2p2er JDalla at commerce one time, he had never seen the game before. He is/was another very high level MtG guy, and he was beating us at Dominion within a couple hours, a lot of similarities in the games.

Posted almost 7 years ago

Boomer

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Maybe DeathDonkey can teach you how to bring balance to your Dominion game. Smile



If DD could balance my Magic Range with my Bank Balance Range I would officially declare him the King of Balance Smile

Man if I ever manage to meet you guys (either in US or UK) I'd love to play a few games.

The similarites to Magic definitely are there. I have to admit my first thought when seeing "Smithy" was "Hey Ancestral Recall!" and to "Moat" was "Oh cool, Moat" except infinitely less broken I guess. Plus I found myself nodding with the "Cantrip cards are good" advice. What can I say? I was always a Blue Mage, I love drawing cards and generally being mean to my opponent Poke Tongue

Posted almost 7 years ago

CarbonCopy

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Yea dominion is such an amazing game. I've only played it in person with friends 2-3 times, looking forward to trying it out online.

Posted almost 7 years ago

Grindcore

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This looks like a lot of fun but it confused me a bit and this is probably gonna sound extremely noobish, but every turn the players did a chain of villages/smithies, but they were never showing on screen. Same for coins and victory points. Is there a way to see your actual deck?

Posted almost 7 years ago

DeathDonkey

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This looks like a lot of fun but it confused me a bit and this is probably gonna sound extremely noobish, but every turn the players did a chain of villages/smithies, but they were never showing on screen. Same for coins and victory points. Is there a way to see your actual deck?



Not sure I understand your question, sorry Frown

On this particular site (one of the only 2 I know of where you can play Dominion online) a lot more of the actions are shown as text, so you can scroll up and see the previous turns pretty easily. DJ recorded it from his side so it never showed my hands face up, only the actions I was taking.

If you are asking if its possible to view your entire deck that you would be drawing from (say you play smithy and will be drawing 3 cards), then no, that is the random element of the game. Your deck is shuffled and you just draw 3 off the top.

Posted almost 7 years ago

DJ Sensei

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This looks like a lot of fun but it confused me a bit and this is probably gonna sound extremely noobish, but every turn the players did a chain of villages/smithies, but they were never showing on screen. Same for coins and victory points. Is there a way to see your actual deck?



Nah, you can't see your actual deck mid-game. The shuffle is the only randomizing aspect to the game, so it wouldn't be quite fair to be able to see it in detail. You can see a number of useful and transparent things (like the trash pile and assorted 'tokens' that might be involved) if you click "info".

Posted almost 7 years ago

Grindcore

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Let me rephrase. There were only 10 available villages at the start for example. They didn't seem to be 1-time use items, as every turn started with a village chain and the game had way more than 10 turns. As soon as you played a village, the card was removed from the screen, yet they seemed to play every turn from then on. Shouldn't they be face up on the table and remain visible or something?

Posted almost 7 years ago

DJ Sensei

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Let me rephrase. There were only 10 available villages at the start for example. They didn't seem to be 1-time use items, as every turn started with a village chain and the game had way more than 10 turns. As soon as you played a village, the card was removed from the screen, yet they seemed to play every turn from then on. Shouldn't they be face up on the table and remain visible or something?



After your turn, all the cards you played that turn (and the rest of your hand) go to your discard pile, which is reshuffled to become your draw deck whenever necessary. You keep your cards until the end unless they are "trashed".

Posted almost 7 years ago

Grindcore

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Ahhhh now I get it Grin thanks

So what about victory points? Do all points in your deck count? And if so, drawing them during the game is completely useless, unless you can spend an action card on them which might be useful?

Posted almost 7 years ago

DeathDonkey

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Ahhhh now I get it Grin thanks

So what about victory points? Do all points in your deck count? And if so, drawing them during the game is completely useless, unless you can spend an action card on them which might be useful?



Exactly correct. There is a good/bad thing with victory points, the good part is if you have more than your opponent when the game ends, you win! The bad part is when you draw one in your hand its almost always useless.

This is why a really bad strategy would be to start buying them too early in the game, your opponent will end up with a much stronger deck, and over take you for VP near the end. Often between two good players there is a bit of a race situation that happens where one player is trying to end the game as quickly as possible with more VP, while the other player is trying to build a monstrous deck that will end up taking a ton of VP in a short period of time and overtaking his opponent.

Posted almost 7 years ago

Grindcore

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This game is incredible. Question in the image:

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3493/dominionq.png

And some brags (note how perfect the left one is down to the dollar, buys, last second curse and victory point without counting Grin)

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4674/epicwins.png

Posted almost 7 years ago

DJ Sensei

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This game is incredible. Question in the image:

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3493/dominionq.png



I initially thought Monument-FishingVillage was the best play here, depending on how your opponent opens (looks like he went Island). But I might change my mind because TradeRoute will have early power and it would clean your deck out much faster if you started with at least one of them. I probably lean towards that now, especially since Islands are already opened. I guess Monument-TradeRoute, Island-TradeRoute, GreatHall-TradeRoute or even the bold TradeRoute-TradeRoute would work, the latter planning to clean your deck out ASAP.

Turns 3-N I'd spend on FVs, Monuments, and Golds/Goons. Save the Islands for later once you start picking up Provinces, since they waste an action and you'll want to mostly just trash your starting cards with the TR. I think whoever gets more and faster Goons is likely to win this one, so once you get to 6 I'd probably pick up a few Goons before your first Gold. Also, once Goons are in play (hopefully you get them first) you should use your +buy to pick up a Moat or two to counter your opponent's Goons (and with enough FVs you can actually benefit from the +2cards, too!)

Thats actually a really interesting set, I might have to try it out Smile

Posted almost 7 years ago

Grindcore

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Interesting, I never really considered TR early as they give no money, and you might as well go ambassador (which is what I did in the game) if you want to trash, as it also annoys your opponent and you can trash 2 at once sometime. Thoughts on that thought process? And would you intentionally buy an estate at some point to trash it again with tradewood so it starts earning $?

Posted almost 7 years ago

DJ Sensei

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Interesting, I never really considered TR early as they give no money, and you might as well go ambassador (which is what I did in the game) if you want to trash, as it also annoys your opponent and you can trash 2 at once sometime. Thoughts on that thought process? And would you intentionally buy an estate at some point to trash it again with tradewood so it starts earning $?



Ordinarily, TR is a weaker early play because you have to "power it up" but in this set there are 2 useful and cheap victory cards, so it can be useful early (and of course in the late-game its really nice to get +4 or +5 from it, especially when you've got a surfeit of coppers lying around from your goons buys).

I played a few rounds of this set with slightly different strats (though they all wound up about the same in the middlegame and onwards):

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201101/27/game-20110127-135219-97ba3a5e.html.gz - I didn't expect Colonies and Platinums, but they didn't turn out to matter at all since I ended it quickly by buying out piles. Interestingly enough, I was handicapped by the 5/2 start and just bought a TR against his Island/FV, but I was able to overcome the deficit. Once I picked up a few provinces and had the VP token lead I just went for the quick-end (a very available option in this set!)

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201101/27/game-20110127-141037-0f92e9c2.html.gz - My opponent opened Ambassador-Silver and I went TR-Island. This one wound up pretty close, actually, but I was able to out-province him. Despite his VPtoken lead, I edged him out. One interesting aspect here is that I typically don't buy extra coppers with my early-turn goons, preferring to keep my deck more streamlined. He always maxed out his buys, so I dunno which is optimal here but it worked out ok for me. I suppose if he had some more ambassadors he could empty those coppers back into my deck faster, but that seems like it would require lots of hand realestate that could be better served by more valuable cards.

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201101/27/game-20110127-142640-035a83e4.html.gz - Not much trouble here. My opponent opened Warehouse/Monument so I decided to try out the FV/Monument line myself, but it pretty quickly got back on track with the regular strat. I picked up my first Goons on turn 5 and never looked back.

So, the question of which is the best one still remains. My biggest win came with FV+Monument, possibly because I had buying power much faster, but it probably depends on what our opponent is up to.

Posted almost 7 years ago

DeathDonkey

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I would go island, don't think its that close. My main thought process would be with island and great hall in play its going to be a quick game where 3 piles ends it. I would rush VP.

edit: grindcore get my AIM or skype so we can play!

Posted almost 7 years ago

Grindcore

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PMd you my skype. Isn't monument better than island early on then, as you can play it repeatedly, and start hoarding islands after you get some fishing villages first?


Also out of curiosity, are there any strategies (with other cards) that involve chancellors? I can't really think of a use for them except combining them with moneycounter/copper (if it works the way I think it works anyway, I've never used it as it seemed useless).

Posted almost 7 years ago

DJ Sensei

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PMd you my skype. Isn't monument better than island early on then, as you can play it repeatedly, and start hoarding islands after you get some fishing villages first?



Yea I think Monument is a stronger opening because we'll get to play that card 5+ times over the course of the game, gaining $ each time. Island is only useful once, and is a little cloggy until then. I'd rather trash my estates than Island them, at least if thats an easy option.


Also out of curiosity, are there any strategies (with other cards) that involve chancellors? I can't really think of a use for them except combining them with moneycounter/copper (if it works the way I think it works anyway, I've never used it as it seemed useless).



http://dominionstrategy.wordpress.com/2011/01/28/guest-article-chancellor/ The gist of it is that he thinks its a stronger card than its given credit for, but that its basically a gamble to take it instead of silver first turn. Also, it doesn't really combine well with many things, it just makes your whole deck cycle faster.

Posted almost 7 years ago

NixonTheGrouch

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I have played three games of Dominion with friends (so I'm obviously an expert by now). Does anyone want to destroy me online and then tell me what stupid things I did so I can use this knowledge to crush my friends? :-)

Posted almost 7 years ago

DeathDonkey

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PMd you my skype. Isn't monument better than island early on then, as you can play it repeatedly, and start hoarding islands after you get some fishing villages first?


Also out of curiosity, are there any strategies (with other cards) that involve chancellors? I can't really think of a use for them except combining them with moneycounter/copper (if it works the way I think it works anyway, I've never used it as it seemed useless).



I disagree with DJ, I think in a speed game you want to make sure you end the game ASAP, and starting monument will slow you by probably a full turn. Getting a few extra VP is irrelevant in the game I am predicting because your opponent is most likely going to try to upgrade hard to get provinces (or race with you and then its a micro management contest). Either he will succeed and get a lot of provinces or you will end the game fast and beat him handily, it would be unlikely to be a super close game if it went that route.

There is some discussion of chancellors on the boardgamegeek forums (the DC of board games imo)

Posted almost 7 years ago

gendeLic

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how can I choose which set I want to take? I only want to play my first games with the basic set... makes the game a little bit faster I guess. Does anyone know?

edit: sry I have found it under the constraints set = base... I should have looked closer before I've asked.

Posted over 6 years ago

Grindcore

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The new expansion is out! Jester is ridiculous.

Posted over 6 years ago

DJ Sensei

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The new expansion is out! Jester is ridiculous.



on isotropic?

Posted over 6 years ago

Grindcore

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NixonTheGrouch

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Alright, now that this poker thing is not taking up my time, does anyone want to play some games with a n00b? I promise to lose gracefully and often.

Posted over 6 years ago

Grindcore

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I'll be in the lobby for a bit while doing other stuff.

Posted over 6 years ago

gendeLic

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I've played the game quite often yet I don't know what it means to trash a card? What happens with a trashed card? Isn't it the same as discarding?
I mean there's a pile and a discard pile, I would assume the card gets completely removed from the game, but im not sure about that... maybe someone could enlighten me.

Posted over 6 years ago

DJ Sensei

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I've played the game quite often yet I don't know what it means to trash a card? What happens with a trashed card? Isn't it the same as discarding?
I mean there's a pile and a discard pile, I would assume the card gets completely removed from the game, but im not sure about that... maybe someone could enlighten me.



Yup, once you trash a card it is totally out of the game for the duration.

Posted over 6 years ago



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