Poker Video: Misc/Other by Entity (Micro/Small Stakes)

Sweet!!

i haven't played gin since sophomore year...this is gonna be sick!

Please someone do the same for mahjong. This was really made well.

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aha! you say later that we haven't seen any kings but here is the K

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and here is the K !

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so he can't have 3 kings...

bad read imo!!!

this is grate!
would be fun with something similar for chinese poker

Deathdonkey cheats at gin.

awesome series!!!!

now if you guys can do a series/standalone on Euchre I could die a complete human being...

gin series please.

Chris and Rob,

I dove into the meaty party and started watching and now I'm severely jonesing for a game. Next time we're all together, we should play. I'll play Rob. Chris, you're on your own.

Watching this video reminded me of a very funny line from way back. I had just started playing gin, which was played nightly before and after the poker games I played in. A guy walked in who I knew real well. He said, all aghast, "Tommy! You're playing gin now??"

I said, "Sure, what's the big deal?"

He said, "I can't believe you would play a game where you can't fold."

Haha Tommy remember in Vegas I was begging you for a gin game. It's much more addicting than poker!

I crushed my friend 3x in a row after watching this video, with minimal prior gin experience from 3 years ago, and pretty much no idea of real strategy otherwise. I'd def be down to play any DC peeps on yahoo. PM me imo!

Awesome video. I used to play with my Grandma when I was little but had forgotten how good a a game Gin is. Stars needs to add this game ASAP!

Mr donkey, do you realise that there are now more connect 4 videos on this site than there are badugi videos!

Not a criticism, just an astonishing fact given that you are good at badugi.

Mr donkey, do you realise that there are now more connect 4 videos on this site than there are badugi videos!

Not a criticism, just an astonishing fact given that you are good at badugi.

This will end soon.

I used to play Gin and Pinochle for a penny a point in the dorms back when I was a broke college kid (two handed Pinochle would make a great "different" vid!!!)

I was wondering what version you guys usually play. We almost always played Oklahoma Gin. Each player gets ten cards, then the upcard determines the value of deadwood you can knock with--an Ace requires Gin.

When we played standard Gin (knock with 10), the non-dealer gets 11 cards. His only action the first turn is to discard. His discard is the first upcard. This gives less of a disadvantage to the non-dealer because he's not giving away any information by taking or passing the first upcard--which is actually a lot of info. Position in Gin is important!

Yahoo's card game software is pretty tilting imo, but I'm down for a game.

Hey CDA, yeah I've been playing that version (upcard decides knock number) with friends and its a bit more fun than the standard rules that Yahoo uses - didn't know that was called Oklahoma Gin, cool! I also have not fully learned 'Hollywood Gin' which has a lot of additional scoring components, boxes, etc. but hopefully will learn at some point.

About 26 minutes in, is it viable to discard the Kd rather than knocking, hoping he doesn't make gin and knocks with higher than 1 deadwood so you can undercut him?

About 26 minutes in, is it viable to discard the Kd rather than knocking, hoping he doesn't make gin and knocks with higher than 1 deadwood so you can undercut him?

Well I think this is too big of a gamble to be worthwhile. It's almost guaranteed he already has 3 kings, if he has two other 3 melds I'm giving him a huge gain, I just don't think the EV is there.

nice, yet another game to keep me from grinding...

srsly though, this was very interesting and I'm looking to give it a try!

tuba: haven't played before and don't have an account at yahoo games yet but when I have some spare time to set it up be prepared that I'll come after you ;-)

I can't wait to watch this. When things are slow at work we play gin and I'm tired of getting owned.........

You guys are awesome !!!!!!!!!!!

Very helpful. Now I know that they are playing Hollywood scoring, when Jack Lemmon and Shirley MacLaine play in the movie The Apartment.

I had a strange spot in Gin the other day. It was late in a round and I was stuck drawing to try to finish a set of 888s to go out....

Anyway... I'm figuring that my opponent had figured out that I had two 88s, and he had the other 88s... well the son of a bitch pulled a move on me that had me thinking for a while...

He eventually discarded one of the 8s.... I took the bait and picked it up, knocking for 3.

Well he melded some other stuff, and laid the other 8 he had off on me... undercutting me with 1.


Is that a move you guys have seen/used before?? when you're pretty sure that your opponent has the two things that you needed... so to break the mexican standoff... you throw them one... and then lay off the other.

Well it sounds like you both made a huge blunder honestly. His toss of the 8 is terrible because it results in you making gin soooo often. Your knock is also terrible because at that stage in the game 3 deadwood is a lot, and he often will have the case 8 and have zero deadwood. I would not knock there with 1.

Yeah I thought you might say that... I agree of course my play was pretty bad... but the question on whether he made a decent tricky move is busted because of how often I'd gin out rather than being a moron and knocking.

Thanks.

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9s is way too live to discard over the Qc. The Q will rarely help you, as you'd need either 2 other queens or 1 Q and 8d. The 9s hits the following combos that your opponent may have- 7s8s, 8sTs, TsJs, (and all of the already completed runs)9h9d, 9h9c, 9c9d (and 999). The Qc only hits KcJc, TcJc, QhQs. So Qc is less than half as useful to your opponent and you'll have a very real idea of where he stands when he takes it, as opposed to the 9 where you don't really know how it impacts his hand.

In general if you're looking to speculate or hold on for extra combos of backdoor stuff, you want to have at least one, but preferably 2-3 safeish or completely safe discards. After all, you're gonna have to hold that Qc for awhile if you want it to develop into something more right? Say your next draw is something moderately useful, like Ah, 2d, etc. You're gonna end up throwing the Qc anyway.

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3h is okay. You note that you're breaking up a 4 card draw, but it's not a great 4 card draw for a few reasons. Fives and low hearts are very live, and you assume your opponent is good enough to know that. Also once you hit your 5h, you don't have a particularly good gin draw to go with it (that's the whole point of drawing at the 4 card run, right?). You're gonna be left looking at 3456hhhh, 67ss, and whatever is left of that low club gutter draw. So that gives you 3 outs to gin and 2 more to improve to 3 melds of 3 (which would be a 4 out draw).


You can also go in a different direction. You can pitch the 4c and draw at the 667ss and have A234 left to knock with 10. This gives you 4 outs to knock with 10, along with 2h and 3c to improve to a slightly better hand and 5h gives you the option of knocking with 9 or playing for gin.

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Aside from the K miscount, 4c is preferable to 2c imo. You only gain one extra out by holding 44 over the gutter draw, and I think the fact that 3c is gonna seem very safe for him while fours look relatively live is going to hurt you. Also there's only one combo of 44 and no run combos, while there are 4 combos of twos that you can hit.