Video got some issues first the sound goes then the picture. Problems start aroun the 30:00 mar.

Thanks for getting on this so quickly!

The problems I ran into are on the WMV version. Sorry I didn't note that.

Looks like Camtasia hates us this morning -- starting at about 29 minutes in there were some sort of weird errors that neither of us can figure out the cause for. Both Chris and I are working on it, many apologies but it may delay the release by a little bit because it looks like we're going to have to reproduce the video from scratch. We'll get this up as soon as we can.

Rob

imo, worth the wait. imo.

aww too bad sound is weirdo after half of the vid otherwise very interesting stuff :)

The sound goes out on the WMV @ 26:55-ish.

I'd like to hear your commentary on your 22 hand against Proximo45 at that time. It sure looked like spew to me, but you two have a way of explaining things to convince me that spewing is the LDO play. :)

Awesome video guys, love it.

*edit* - nevermind, works now.

Also, a suggestion: why not record the "off-mic" conversations between Dan and Vanessa? Seems like a lot of interesting stuff there.

Are you sure it goes out and isn't just quiet for awhile? This and EP 8 will be a bit longer than standard because there is some play with no audio commentary that I didn't want to cut out due to interesting hands that get played during the quiet times.

-DeathDonkey

It definitely seemed like vanessa's commentary was snipped, and then resumed about 10 minutes later mid-sentance and completely out of context.

Also, a suggestion: why not record the "off-mic" conversations between Dan and Vanessa? Seems like a lot of interesting stuff there.

Thats more of a technical issue than anything. We wanted to have a mic for both of us, but couldn't figure out how to make that work. The stand-up mic we got sucked too much to be effective, so we just had to use headsets like usual.

If you are still searching for a good mic. I use that one since a while and it works perfect. Plus its very cheap :)

They all have great mics now, but they're headset mics, so it can be difficult to pick up two voices at the same time without picking up too much background noise. We've picked up some ideas for doing these types of vids in the future though so hopefully this will be less of an issue in the future.

Rob

Hey, good vid. Some interesting spots/lines i havent seen before. I think it would be good if you were both commentating at the same time and we could hear discussion between the two of you. Thanks for the series

is it only me or other people are also experiencing out of sync audio and video. For me the problem starts about one third into the video

No issues with them being out of sync though like DD said there are lots of clips of silence that we didn't edit out so you could see interesting hands (even though there is no audio commentary on many of them). If you're trying to stream this, could be that your computer doesn't like streaming a 1600x1200 video -- try the downloadable version maybe? (just a guess)

Rob

@ 37:32: "if he folds, it's a pretty easy raise". Please teach me to be able to raise for value after the hand ends. :)

Hi, guys great vid. Couple questions. Around 47:00 I think you open raise JJ on the btn and get called by the SB. The flop comes 10JQr and he check raises you. You decide to call but I don't understand why. If a A or K hits on the turn you're hating life and don't two pair KQ/AQ type hands make up a large part of his range? So was the plan there ever to fold or am I missing something? I don't know why you didn't just get in on the flop?

And as for your 66 bluff catcher hand vs A2o what really happens if the river is a 5,9,q,10,j,k, or A? It was pretty sweet that 6 rolled off, but it's important to understand that hand without a miracle river. Seems like almost half the deck sucks on the river so what was the river plan? Hope he checks behind? That doesn't seem right. I appreciate the read on the turn but if you're confident why not just shove there when so may river cards suck. I don't know maybe I'm missing something . . .

i think both of these posts show a simple flaw in your reasoning, so hopefully my simple explanation can help you a lot. often with these types of hands, the point is we're playing our hand so weakly that he expects us to fold often. which means he is bluffing often (or in the JJ example, potentially overvaluing worse hands like 2 pair which he might consider folding if we 3bet on the dry rainbow flop). we have no idea what his outs are, but often they are very few. (in the A2 example, he had 7 outs. In the JJ example he obviously had air since he snap folded to the turn c/r getting like 4:1 or something). So when these problem rivers roll off, we aren't "hating life" as you say, we're calling. And if he happened to get there with very few outs, so be it... but more often that not those "bad rivers" like broadway cards are great for us since they encourage him to bluff and make our call that much more +EV. I hope that helps...

I second the call for the off mic conversation to be recorded if you can find a way.

Hi, guys great vid. Couple questions. Around 47:00 I think you open raise JJ on the btn and get called by the SB. The flop comes 10JQr and he check raises you. You decide to call but I don't understand why. If a A or K hits on the turn you're hating life and don't two pair KQ/AQ type hands make up a large part of his range? So was the plan there ever to fold or am I missing something? I don't know why you didn't just get in on the flop?

And as for your 66 bluff catcher hand vs A2o what really happens if the river is a 5,9,q,10,j,k, or A? It was pretty sweet that 6 rolled off, but it's important to understand that hand without a miracle river. Seems like almost half the deck sucks on the river so what was the river plan? Hope he checks behind? That doesn't seem right. I appreciate the read on the turn but if you're confident why not just shove there when so may river cards suck. I don't know maybe I'm missing something . . .

i think both of these posts show a simple flaw in your reasoning, so hopefully my simple explanation can help you a lot. often with these types of hands, the point is we're playing our hand so weakly that he expects us to fold often. which means he is bluffing often (or in the JJ example, potentially overvaluing worse hands like 2 pair which he might consider folding if we 3bet on the dry rainbow flop). we have no idea what his outs are, but often they are very few. (in the A2 example, he had 7 outs. In the JJ example he obviously had air since he snap folded to the turn c/r getting like 4:1 or something). So when these problem rivers roll off, we aren't "hating life" as you say, we're calling. And if he happened to get there with very few outs, so be it... but more often that not those "bad rivers" like broadway cards are great for us since they encourage him to bluff and make our call that much more +EV. I hope that helps...

Simple flaws in my reasoning are a huge portion of my range.

After I posted the JJ question I kinda figured that one out myself, makes a ton of sense. As for the A2o I'm still not quite there but it's sinking in a little.

I just wanted to tell you that I think that "Unconventional Wisdom" series is wonderfully awesome and that I'm excited about poker again as flawed as I may currently be :-).

Thank You Vanessa and Dan, you guys rock!!!!

The sound goes out on the WMV @ 26:55-ish.

I'd like to hear your commentary on your 22 hand against Proximo45 at that time. It sure looked like spew to me, but you two have a way of explaining things to convince me that spewing is the LDO play. :)

hey, didn't mean to ignore this post. the 22 hand - that was pretty spewy, yes. so here we are, the beauty of us playing live is you see how often plays work and don't work. i'd say 4/5 of the stuff we pulled worked and this just didn't. i don't know if i'd recommend it (probably not) but in any event, i just felt like i was getting 3bet wide and that was a good hand to defend a pair on. leading out on the flush turn makes it hard for him to play back with black overcards or even some sort of pair, so that's why i took the line i did. i checked the river because when he snap called the turn i felt he had an overpair with a diamond every time. spewy, yes. horrible? no. and i was trying to get myself in some fun spots so you guys could see different ways to play - but good calling me out on that. just fold 22 preflop OOP to 3bets (or 4bet it)!

i click on the mp4 download button and all it does is change pages and go to a 500 error

i click on the mp4 download button and all it does is change pages and go to a 500 error

Just downloaded and watching the mp4 now, no problems.

I've noticed a problem like this on a couple of videos. I'm downloading them onto a Mac and using QuickTime to view them and seems like any video that isn't already converted into an iPod compatible format won't play for me?

Quicktime isn't always compatible with MP4 files, unfortunately. It's a bit weird in how it supports some encoding techniques (I've had better luck with the latest release of Quicktime but still not 100%). I usually just use VLC for Mac for these reasons when I want to watch them.

Rob

I've noticed a problem like this on a couple of videos. I'm downloading them onto a Mac and using QuickTime to view them and seems like any video that isn't already converted into an iPod compatible format won't play for me?

You may find that this is due to screen size and codec, you need a fair whack of CPU time to decode all that info. It may be possible to convert the wmv to a less intensive codec such as xvid or maybe even make a vcd once downloaded.

re-encodes are pretty much trial and error though (as I am sure Entity will confirm), so it might take a few attempts before you find a codec that both converts well and runs well. A bit of a tip is to try to convert the audio to mp3 as most PCs find this very easy to deal with.

Ive not had much luck converting them into something that plays easily (lack of time really) but if you find something can you post the settings somewhere.

Good video, around 17:30 where you have A2 and check back the turn which is an A you say you don´t expect to get call by worse. I don´t think that is always true, obviously I don´t know this player but isn´t he going to expect you to bluff the A and therefore call you down ligther? This is something I do a ton, and then checking behind the river for pot control. It´s unbelieveable how often you get called in those spots with underpairs and so on.

Second, about the same hand, you say you want to do pot control incase he has got a king, might be wrong here but why do we need to apply pot control versus a guy who is only raising kings here. It´s correct to fold against a king. Don´t we want to do pot control only when we expect villain to be bluff raising sometimes.

jake, the only time we get called by worse on the turn is a flush draw or a smaller pair that suspects we're bluffing. But the flush draw is more likely to bluff the river if we check back and he misses, and the smaller pair will only pay off one street probably, so it may as well be the river.

obviously I don´t know this player but isn´t he going to expect you to bluff the A and therefore call you down ligther?

In this situation, an A is certainly a reasonable card for us to have given the preflop and flop action. But your comment touches on the matter of leveling. Some opponents are on the level of "oh crap an ace I hope he doesn't bet because then I'd have to fold my lower pair" and others are thinking "oh look a scare card, lets let him use it to bluff and then pick it off with our little pair". So the game is a matter of figuring out what level your opponents are on. At 1/2, most weaker opponents are probably in the former category.

As far as pot control goes, yes we certainly could bet and fold to a raise, but if he's not calling many worse hands and he could possibly bluffraise with worse, betting leads us into some bad situations. If we check back and call a river bet, then we avoid bad situations and maximize our value /minimize our loss against his entire range.

Thanks for the quick and good answer.

One thing more though, my reasoning in these spots is that bluffing scaredcards is soo common that even weaker players know this but you are probably right. With that being said I play 2-4 and 3-6 so this might not apply to the weaker players at 1-2.

Hi,

On the JJ hand where you flop middle set and lead out and get raised - Why not just 3 bet here and try to get it in? seems like as soon as you smooth call his raise a lot of cards on the turn can kill your action / opponent will be less inclinded to stack off with like gutshot+pair, 2 pair type hands?