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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by WiltOnTilt (High Stakes)

Time Link to 00:10:22

Actually hero didn't cbet flop but instead c/called 3 streets. Does it alter your analysis at all? IMO it makes opponent's play even more horrible, as we have much less air on turn and we should be more willing to c/call it down.

Im not really sure why a shove with kq on q42 in the 4 bet pot is that bad. I know there are very few cards you dont want to see and so its better to allow the villain the continue bluffing but I think there are so many hands that call the flop check shove, 88,99,10,JJ (all in villains 4 bet range) and maybe occasionally Q10 or QJ he randomly 4 bet pre. Add in all the time you check call with kq and an ace or jack or king comes down and villain folds a hand like 99 on the river to your shove surely there is more value getting these hands to call on the flop because I think the majority of regs fold 99/1010 on the flop about 10% of the time unless vs a big nit

Hey Aaron ,about the Kq hand:why do u think it is so bad?My point is that
even if it's true that he could call down our bets beeing scared of very few cards:
-from the match aggressive preflop dynamics,and considering we are not deep, we know that villain is very likely to just ship preflop almost always his pp .So ,in this spot ,considering that we have being 4betting a ton pre and cbetting a decent frequency i would much be worried of having a balanced craise range (probably hero is also cbet folding a decent percentage of time on this flop)to protect my semibluff and maybe total bluffs than a balanced c/c range ,considering than on a such dry two tone board villain's c/c range is likely to be very narrow and ,moreover, strong(what could villain call with that would fold to a shove on the turn...A4?) due to the assumption of him shovin almost always his pp preflop. Don't know if villain thought about that,but do u think this could be a valid point?
.-Another reason imho is that i don't know how much often we are firing/shoving the turn without a q+ ,so is he more likely to get maximum value from our weak hands by cr or leaving the lead to us and c/c? What i mean is that if we have a worst queen, money will go in the middle no matther what.But if we have a hand with medium sv ,is it more likely that we bet/call this Q24 two suited flop or that we get valueowned shoving the turn or maybe pay his shove on the river after checking the turn(and the board can only get more scary for us)? And even talking about bluffs, i don't know how much more value he can take c/c instead of c/r.We are probably b/c our fds 'cause we have correct odds.How often are we shoving the turn with almost no equity on a board that hits pretty hard his range after calling a 4bet oop and flop bet 2?
Hope this points can make sense.

Actually hero didn't cbet flop but instead c/called 3 streets. Does it alter your analysis at all? IMO it makes opponent's play even more horrible, as we have much less air on turn and we should be more willing to c/call it down.

Sorry about that. Analysis is still similar. His range still has tons of semibluffs he can have plus a lot of pure air. Agree we have less air, but we probably have very little air when we cbet and c/c the turn as well (most of our draws good enough to c/c turn would keep barreling themselves).

Whether or not villain's play is bad here to just empty the clip really depends on what he thinks of us. If he thinks we are weak and incapable of making big calls when our range is capped at 8x and rarely better, then I don't mind it even though it's a hugely unbalanced and exploitable play to have so much air that you're doing it with a hand with as little equity as A6o. If he doesn't know that my student is a good player then he could try it out and see what he gets called by. Obv when he gets called by 77 villain should immediately make some adjustments about how he's perceived by hero and also realize that hero can hand read better than he assumed.

Im not really sure why a shove with kq on q42 in the 4 bet pot is that bad. I know there are very few cards you dont want to see and so its better to allow the villain the continue bluffing but I think there are so many hands that call the flop check shove, 88,99,10,JJ (all in villains 4 bet range) and maybe occasionally Q10 or QJ he randomly 4 bet pre. Add in all the time you check call with kq and an ace or jack or king comes down and villain folds a hand like 99 on the river to your shove surely there is more value getting these hands to call on the flop because I think the majority of regs fold 99/1010 on the flop about 10% of the time unless vs a big nit

88-JJ don't always cbet (maybe from us we would often, but not from many players) and when they do cbet they don't always call on the flop to the raise. Hands like QJ or QT wouldn't be getting 4bet hardly ever from competent players (they play much better for calling hands vs aggro 3bettors). Plus, you lose all of the air form the 3bettors range and it's extremely hard to balance. When you c/r this hand here think about what that does to your flop c/c range.

Hey Aaron ,about the Kq hand:why do u think it is so bad?My point is that
even if it's true that he could call down our bets beeing scared of very few cards:
-from the match aggressive preflop dynamics,and considering we are not deep, we know that villain is very likely to just ship preflop almost always his pp .So ,in this spot ,considering that we have being 4betting a ton pre and cbetting a decent frequency i would much be worried of having a balanced craise range (probably hero is also cbet folding a decent percentage of time on this flop)to protect my semibluff and maybe total bluffs than a balanced c/c range ,considering than on a such dry two tone board villain's c/c range is likely to be very narrow and ,moreover, strong(what could villain call with that would fold to a shove on the turn...A4?) due to the assumption of him shovin almost always his pp preflop. Don't know if villain thought about that,but do u think this could be a valid point?
.-Another reason imho is that i don't know how much often we are firing/shoving the turn without a q+ ,so is he more likely to get maximum value from our weak hands by cr or leaving the lead to us and c/c? What i mean is that if we have a worst queen, money will go in the middle no matther what.But if we have a hand with medium sv ,is it more likely that we bet/call this Q24 two suited flop or that we get valueowned shoving the turn or maybe pay his shove on the river after checking the turn(and the board can only get more scary for us)? And even talking about bluffs, i don't know how much more value he can take c/c instead of c/r.We are probably b/c our fds 'cause we have correct odds.How often are we shoving the turn with almost no equity on a board that hits pretty hard his range after calling a 4bet oop and flop bet 2?
Hope this points can make sense.

See my other post for most of my reasons.

I agree that on Q42, there are probably fewer 4x and 2x hands in his range (although clearly some given how loose he is) so it's more a case of protecting his c/c range when he has A high or oop floats, and hands like 45, A4, A2, 65. This isn't as big of a deal on this board texture as it would be on some others where he could have 2nd and 3rd pair more often and then c/r with top pair would destroy his c/c range...but i do think it is still a big deal. He is probably virtually never c/r bluffing and rarely semibluffing here so once we have this read we can very easily 2 barrel him in other spots and now we can safely bet/fold worse value hands.

Wow awesome vid!!!!
i bet seeing the villian's play makes you really miss poker hey?? What is a good adjustment when villian is 3 betting that much that was pretty ridiculous. Flat call big hands? Doesn't seem like we can 4 bet bluff him too much cuz he is soooo cally. Curious to hear your thoughts on the best adjustments cuz i feel like opening less buttons sucks vrs a guy like that THANKS

Wow awesome vid!!!!
i bet seeing the villian's play makes you really miss poker hey?? What is a good adjustment when villian is 3 betting that much that was pretty ridiculous. Flat call big hands? Doesn't seem like we can 4 bet bluff him too much cuz he is soooo cally. Curious to hear your thoughts on the best adjustments cuz i feel like opening less buttons sucks vrs a guy like that THANKS

When a guy is 3betting a ton and also flatting your 4bets, you kind of need to shift your thinking about 4bet "bluffing". It turns into more 4betting instead of for bluff -- for thin value or for "semibluff". Hands like A9o can become value 4bets against a guy if you think they are jamming hands like AJ+ and flatting hands like random high cards, 87o, A4s, etc... so it would be a multiple counter attack... 4betting for thinner value, being prepared to set up more 2 barrel bluffs in 4bet pots (his weaker calling hands will have more hands that can c/c flop and c/f turns) and being willing to slowplay some bigger hands to his 3bets. Just be aware that once you show down some of these adjustments (particularly the flatting 3bets with big pairs) that it will mess up your perceived 4betting range against aware opponents and he should re-adjust by jamming on your 4bets lighter.

Hey Aaron great vid.How would u play small pocket pairs against this opponent?You said that its good to 4bet/call (22 example)with them, but isnt it better to 4bet shove because villain flats lot of 4bets and shoves pretty light? I mean how happy we are to 4bet/call with 22-66 when any hand that shoves has at least 45% equity or if villain flats 4bet we dont have a lot of postflop playability

also what do you think about overbetting for value / bluffs?

Hey Aaron great vid.How would u play small pocket pairs against this opponent?You said that its good to 4bet/call (22 example)with them, but isnt it better to 4bet shove because villain flats lot of 4bets and shoves pretty light? I mean how happy we are to 4bet/call with 22-66 when any hand that shoves has at least 45% equity or if villain flats 4bet we dont have a lot of postflop playability

I think this depends on approach you take. There's two options:

a) You 4bet/call 22-66, doesn't really need explaining
b) You 4bet shove 22-66, but this itself is super exploitable. For you to be 4bet shoving, you need to be also doing it with AJ/AQ/AK and occasional bigger pairs.

4bet shoving also makes our non-shove 4bets much more bluff heavy. That way when we 4bet "std" size, we kind of rep only really strong range or some bluffs. If we include small pocket pairs in our "std" 4bet range, it becomes really hard for him to 5bet shove because so big part of our range is calling his 5bets.

For example, let's say that we are OTB and open 3bb. Villain OOP 3bets us with K6s to 10bb. We 4bet shove. He got no decision here, we basically made it for him. He's flipping at the best or crushed. He can play his hand perfectly against us.

But if we 4bet to like 20bb he can make decisions. He can either 5bet, call (super rare assuming villain is decent or better player) or fold. If we have a lot of the pocket pairs and all of the big ace combos (which we need to also 4bet shove just not to be so exploitable) in our 4bet range he can make big mistakes 5bet shoving as a bluff. Also even when he realizes that our 4bet range consists so many hands that are gonna call his 5bet shoves, it discourages him from 5bet bluffing. After 5bet bluffing becomes much more unprofitable, he might tone down even with his 3betting as it's really shitty spot to get 4bet a lot.

There's of course good villains for both strategies. If villain is 3betting really merged range and calling a lot of the 4bets, then I'm 4bet shoving balanced range.

I'd def prefer 4bet shoving 22-66 than 4betting small. The guy was 3betting so much it's possible we don't even need to balance, but if we did want to then adding AJ and AQ prob does fine.

I think villain being a very stationy reg lends itself well to over betting in certain spots where it's very obvious hand ranges are capped.

Time Link to 00:28:52

Wilt,in the 3bet pot (timelined) hand you were describing about the guys 2 barrel % and how it doesnt just mean we can float indiscriminatly due to him having value hands some % of the time that he can isnt comfortable betting the turn with

thing is how would you decide to float and when to bluff raise?? would deciding to float it be board texture based on say paint rag rag where by him checking the turn his range is kinda capped and it will be hard for him to call twcie if we decided to bluff by betting turn and river?
and deciding to bluff raise on connected boards with say a flush draw so giving him the illsuion that if we had a flush draw were just shuving it even if he tries to play back forcing him somewhat to play straight forwardly?

Wilt,in the 3bet pot (timelined) hand you were describing about the guys 2 barrel % and how it doesnt just mean we can float indiscriminatly due to him having value hands some % of the time that he can isnt comfortable betting the turn with

thing is how would you decide to float and when to bluff raise?? would deciding to float it be board texture based on say paint rag rag where by him checking the turn his range is kinda capped and it will be hard for him to call twcie if we decided to bluff by betting turn and river?
and deciding to bluff raise on connected boards with say a flush draw so giving him the illsuion that if we had a flush draw were just shuving it even if he tries to play back forcing him somewhat to play straight forwardly?

Excellent question. One thing that I should have explained better with regards to the floating vs his 2barrel % is that it all starts back with the preflop range. In this case, while it's true that when we execute the float flop/bluff turn, he will have more value hands that we will fail against compared to a player who 2 barrels better for value, but it's also true that his preflop range is so wide that even if we fail more often, we probably will still be very profitable because he starts so wide.

I think your point about bluff raising vs floating based on board texture is definitely headed down the right path. In general I like to try to bluff raise on boards where I can rep many reasonable value combos as well as semibluffs that aren't folding as long as I'm playing someone who is aware and can read hands. Ex: J98r. Vs a standard 3bettor we probably have every QTo, QTs, T7s, J9s, J8s, 98s and maybe some perceived 9T, AJ, KJ. It's not real easy for him to just jam over us with KQo here.

Compare that to raising something like 9h2s3s, We probably have no 2pairs here, maybe only 6 set combos (maybe zero depending on our 4b strategy), and who knows how many 9x (maybe a lot? maybe none?) here. It's very easy to play back.

Vs guys that over extend themselves, like this guy, I think bluff raising the very transparent spots (say Kxx) are fine as long as we give ourselves a good price, because even if he knows we are FOS a lot, he likely still wont play back enough as he's overextending himself preflop and on the flop (3bet too much, cbet too much). Vs better opponents, it's not always that easy. You can try to add in some thinner value raising hands in these spots where your flop raising range looks largely FOS, but just keep in mind what that does to your perceived calling range.

The key is just to recognize how many value combinations you are perceived to have when you raise or call. Then the same thing on the turn.

Thanx wilt as usual quality reply!

Time Link to 00:28:56

If you say that he is not likely to fold any value hand to a raise and that it seems very transparent then why would you not raise an A?