Poker Video: Pot-Limit Omaha by fslexcduck (Mid Stakes)

You mention knowing who to listen to on DC or 2+2. As in which posters to listen to.

This is one of the problems I have here.

Vanessa I love all of your videos I probably learn the best from you. But I have never seen you post anything in the forums (except on your videos). In the PLO forum it seems to be about 15 people who are all learning the game replying to each others questions. Also Ribbo and Entity both reply quite often. I rarely see any other coaches replying to threads in there. I wish that people like you, MichealSC and some of the other DC coaches would post more often.

I don’t want to take anything away from the people that post in there now. I have learned a lot from yall. Thank you.

I learn best myself by trying to help other people but when I answer questions in the forum I have to preface what I say with "take this with a grain of salt cause Im learning too." If someone like you or MichealSC or some other well known PLO player would every now and then say "jasonfish11 is right" or "dont listen to jasonfish11 he is a complete moron" that would help me a lot. Also I would feel more comfortable giving advice knowing someone much more knowledgeable will either back me up or refute what Im saying.

One more thing maybe to help twist some of yalls arms. Im more likely to hire a coach that I recognize. So if I see them posting advice semi frequently I will be more likely to hire them. Not that I can afford anyone like you, ribbo, michaelsc ect right now but I hope to be able to in the future.

Jasonfish,

As much as we'd all love it if Vanessa could post more, finding the time to even do videos and respond as she has in her videos is pretty nsane given the demands of Law School (in the event you didn't know, she's in her second year right now at Yale Law).

Of the coaches here, n0whereman, KasinoKrime, and Ribbo are all posting a reasonable amount, and there's a lot of good advice in the community, but you really should be learning to analyze posts based on their own merit -- logic, math, and ranges -- and find spots that you disagree or agree, not based on the name value of the player,

The most important thing you can learn from DC, its videos and its forums, it not WHAT to do, but WHY. Focus on tearing down posts to their core logic: handranges, pot size manipulation, math math math, and reads (goes into handranges), and you'll get a lot more out of your experience here than you would if you just focused on who/what to be listening to. We've all got a lot to learn, but we've all got a lot to add as well.

Vanessa,

Fucking kickass series. Now I just need to start playing some more, IMO.

Rob

Entity,
I didnt intend to be insulting to anyone. And I know Vanessa is in law school and has very little free time.

I just like some of her unorthodox thought processes and wouldnt mind reading or hearing them occasionally.

By no means do I expect anyone to reply or even read most of the threads on here. I just wouldnt mind hearing more input. There aren't many people posting in the PLO forum. So any extra posts help.

Sorry if I came across a little harsh earlier.

Hi Poon,

I've read in some forums that the fact that this line is negative is absolutely normal in PLO, it's pretty different than in hold'em.

Over the whole series (+ 1'900 bb over 23k hands w/o RB), my red line is about minus 4'700 bb, and my blue line is around + 6'600.

So nothing to worry about if your redline is negative imo

If it's very negative (as in my case) maybe there are some conclusions do make about it (too weak maybe), but I'm not experienced enough to give any reliable answer about that !

Gl in you games !

This graph is not mine, but I like to paste this whenever someone says that positive redline is either not possible or killing your winrate at PLO:
http://www.pokerisivut.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4971&mode=view

And it's not really different than in NLHE, especially at smaller stakes (NL100-NL200) probably more than 80% of winning regulars have very negative redline.

Is the graph plo hands only ? Nothing says it, as it's unfiltered.

I still remember reading top players say that their red line is negative in PLO and that it's normal, or at least style dependent. I guess very good LAG's can have a positive redline, while it's just normal for a TAG to get a negative one, even if he does well.

This subject is interesting and I'd love to learn more about it !

BTW
Are you posting your final results/graphs during this coaching period? I'd be interested to see them! I have just started watching this series and haven't seen this ep yet, so if you'll show those in this final episode, just nvm my question.

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Can we ever raise here to get 96 or 92 to fold since he did play very passively on the flop and turn?