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Poker Video: Pot-Limit Omaha by fslexcduck (Mid Stakes)

regarding avoiding quick click decisions:
I have been around chess coaches for young school kids. They let them sit on their hands, making it physically impossible to make a move instantly.
Not exactly practially while multi-tabling online poker but an idea might be to remove the hand from the mouse for a moment at high BB decisions.

I don't like the format of this episode (in generell live coaching) from a viewer's perspective. I, personally, get the most out of replayer videos. No interruptions, clear thought process, interestings hands, easy to discuss what-if-scenarios.

Vanessa, you are one of the people who use the "you know" phrase. It's not too bad but still awkward in a teaching environment. ;-)

Love your videos anyway!

I really enjoyed the live format of this video. I get a lot out of the replayer, but it's great to be able to think along, and to see the small leaks (incorrect preflop folds, timing). Hopefully there continues to be a mix of the two.

Pretty sure Vanessa's earlier PLO series is what got me saying "for sure" regularly.

this was abit annyoing to watch. Really gets frustrating when there is no sync between coach-student.

I really like the change of pace for this episode. Now, for my constructive criticism, I would've liked there to be more discussion about opponent reads and leaks you'd be looking to exploit as well as the over play at these tables instead of discussion about general strategy.

The benefit of a live session is that you can get reads that such and such player does this so we can counter with... Or, when your student isn't in a hand and a big hand goes down you can comment on whether or not the hand was played correctly and how we can make an adjustment.

In short, IMO, just don't elaborate so much with the "why" and focus more on the play at the tables.

That said, it's nice to see and hear your comments on some live action.

One thing I learned in this episode was tilt. I thought tilt was just spewing off chips after you loose a pot when your 80-90% favorite. I dont really have that problem, so I never really listened when instructors talked about tilt. Thanks Vanessa for enlightening me on what tilt really is. I defiantly make at least 30% of my decisions based on emotions and not logic, I defiantly needed a bitch slap lol.

The sync problems are almost certainly to do with the internet quality across continents. Similar problems happened with the old wiltontilt real life microstakes grinder series (the student was from Australia).

I find the live play very valuable in terms of starting hand selection, and what to (re)raise with. A coach playing and talking about their own play can't really explain the reasoning behind their starting hand selection - often things are just intuitively right for them and they don't see anything to explain.

When a coach is sweating a student's plays live, they see errors in preflop/flop play and can immediately explain the reason why the play is incorrect. It is these incidental little mistakes/missed opportunities that live sweats identify best.

Also, DC has plenty of PLO hand review series, and lots of theory too. I think there is a lack of PLO live sweats, to be honest. More is good.

Finally, this is so far my favourite Venessa Selbt series. Good work.

When I'm involved in a big pot I take my hand off the mouse. If I don't do that then it's a little signal that I'm not paying enough attention.

I have to say, I really liked this episode. There's a good mix of coaching on poker decisions and the intangibles. The live video format seemed like it was really frustrating to both student and coach, with a lot of little things going wrong over the tables, but honestly, I think that's what added a lot of value. It makes very obvious some of the ideas that might not get so much attention in other videos.

I really enjoy the live videos more than the HH review or pre-recorded videos. Sometimes hands will just go on a wee bit too long and in the live videos it moves much quicker.

I really love this series.

The fact that Vanessa coaches someone through small to medium stakes which most subscribers are playing anyway is just awesome. I also like the fact that it's not a whole series in the replayer or live play but rather a mix of everything - just like a real coaching series. Some live play with faster pace, hand history reviews with deep analysis and pre-recorded videos for the in between stuff.

Apart from the technical difficulties in this episode, this series has been A+ so far.

Good luck Steve ... let's hope you get out of that downswing pretty soon.

regarding avoiding quick click decisions:
I have been around chess coaches for young school kids. They let them sit on their hands, making it physically impossible to make a move instantly.
Not exactly practially while multi-tabling online poker but an idea might be to remove the hand from the mouse for a moment at high BB decisions.

Thanks for the idea ! I played chess when I was young and don't remember having this problem... I guess this "autoclick" might come (partly) from my razz experience, where you get used to take very quick decisions (because most of the spots are very simple). Vanessa's two seconds rule helped a lot

I don't like the format of this episode (in generell live coaching) from a viewer's perspective. I, personally, get the most out of replayer videos. No interruptions, clear thought process, interestings hands, easy to discuss what-if-scenarios..

I understand it, and agree about the fact that we can get more in depth with the other forms of coaching. It's simply two different things, that get different results, but as a student both are cool, and this episode was extremely valuable for me !

I really enjoyed the live format of this video. I get a lot out of the replayer, but it's great to be able to think along, and to see the small leaks (incorrect preflop folds, timing). Hopefully there continues to be a mix of the two.

Thanks !

Yes, live play is great to detect those (not so small) leaks !

this was abit annyoing to watch. Really gets frustrating when there is no sync between coach-student.

Yes, the technical problems were tough (some were cut in the production), and the fact that english is not my native language didn't help (I made live sessions in french and it's definitely a lot easier for me).

I really like the change of pace for this episode. Now, for my constructive criticism, I would've liked there to be more discussion about opponent reads and leaks you'd be looking to exploit as well as the over play at these tables instead of discussion about general strategy.

The benefit of a live session is that you can get reads that such and such player does this so we can counter with... Or, when your student isn't in a hand and a big hand goes down you can comment on whether or not the hand was played correctly and how we can make an adjustment.

In short, IMO, just don't elaborate so much with the "why" and focus more on the play at the tables.

That said, it's nice to see and hear your comments on some live action.

I agree with you, but I guess I still have too much leaks to make that possible. It would probably be easier to do with more experience, because much more situations wouldn't need to be talked about that much !

One thing I learned in this episode was tilt. I thought tilt was just spewing off chips after you loose a pot when your 80-90% favorite. I dont really have that problem, so I never really listened when instructors talked about tilt. Thanks Vanessa for enlightening me on what tilt really is. I defiantly make at least 30% of my decisions based on emotions and not logic, I defiantly needed a bitch slap lol.

I like the definition given in "the poker mindset". The authors explain that tilt is whenever you're not playing your A-game, whatever the reasons. I love this definition (and this book), and think that's the best way of explaining what tilt it.

I like the way you write it ! I think poker is a 100 % logic game, and whenever you take a decision based on anything else than pure logic, you can consider yourself on tilt.

In this episode, and on the whole series (playing higher stakes I'm used to play and facing a "big" downswing), I could definitely work on the emotionnal aspect of the game, and how to be able to manage it better.

I think that more than any other poker variant, PLO requires a very solid "emotions management" and tilt is devastating in this game !

The sync problems are almost certainly to do with the internet quality across continents. Similar problems happened with the old wiltontilt real life microstakes grinder series (the student was from Australia).

Maybe.. and we've experienced some more in the next episodes unfortunately (but I think it didn't affect the quality).

I find the live play very valuable in terms of starting hand selection, and what to (re)raise with. A coach playing and talking about their own play can't really explain the reasoning behind their starting hand selection - often things are just intuitively right for them and they don't see anything to explain.)

100 % agree

Also, DC has plenty of PLO hand review series, and lots of theory too. I think there is a lack of PLO live sweats, to be honest. More is good.

Finally, this is so far my favourite Venessa Selbt series. Good work.

Thanks a lot, that's cool

When I'm involved in a big pot I take my hand off the mouse. If I don't do that then it's a little signal that I'm not paying enough attention.

That could be an idea, but I don't know if that would be as easy to do as the "two seconds" rule in trouble spots. Depends on every person I think !

I have to say, I really liked this episode. There's a good mix of coaching on poker decisions and the intangibles. The live video format seemed like it was really frustrating to both student and coach, with a lot of little things going wrong over the tables, but honestly, I think that's what added a lot of value. It makes very obvious some of the ideas that might not get so much attention in other videos.

Cool, thanks ! That's exactly how you say it ! The episode, while recording, was really tough for me, but I learnt a lot, and I'm very happy if it's valuable to some of you !

I really enjoy the live videos more than the HH review or pre-recorded videos. Sometimes hands will just go on a wee bit too long and in the live videos it moves much quicker.

I think pre-recorded videos offer the best of the two other methods in a way, as you can still see how the player handles preflop play, timing etc, but can stop the video whenever needed.

I guess it also depends on the level of play of each viewer. Some things might seem obvious for some during a hand review, while less advanced players might miss very important stuff that are not talked about extensively in a live vid..

I really love this series.

The fact that Vanessa coaches someone through small to medium stakes which most subscribers are playing anyway is just awesome. I also like the fact that it's not a whole series in the replayer or live play but rather a mix of everything - just like a real coaching series. Some live play with faster pace, hand history reviews with deep analysis and pre-recorded videos for the in between stuff.

Apart from the technical difficulties in this episode, this series has been A+ so far.

Good luck Steve ... let's hope you get out of that downswing pretty soon.

Thank you very much ! I appreciate a lot

Spoiler : things got better after this episode

One thing I learned in this episode was tilt. I thought tilt was just spewing off chips after you loose a pot when your 80-90% favorite. I dont really have that problem, so I never really listened when instructors talked about tilt. Thanks Vanessa for enlightening me on what tilt really is. I defiantly make at least 30% of my decisions based on emotions and not logic, I defiantly needed a bitch slap lol.

First time in my life that I post ten times in a row in a forum, but thinking about tilt, I couldn't help posting a link, for people here that don't know tuff_fish.

On you tube, just make a "tuff_fish" search, watch the "stone cold tilt" one (for example). The reaction after the A-high call (2'28'' on the vid I have) is a great example of tilt management, and will always make me smile

Nothing mean in this, I truly think he's a nice guy

You asked at the end of the episode to post things people do to avoid calling w/ that KKQ6 situation.

I have a reason (all be it a crappy one) for why I use to call in those situations. I would hate folding sets or big hands in big pots so I would talk myself into a call because I looked weak when I checked.

Dont know if that is what happened in that hand but I know it has cost me a ton of money and I only play micros.

You asked at the end of the episode to post things people do to avoid calling w/ that KKQ6 situation.

I have a reason (all be it a crappy one) for why I use to call in those situations. I would hate folding sets or big hands in big pots so I would talk myself into a call because I looked weak when I checked.

Dont know if that is what happened in that hand but I know it has cost me a ton of money and I only play micros.

Your post makes a lot of sense and helps me to formulate my thoughts in this hand !

What happens is that when I face a calling station and get on tilt (in the sense "playing with emotions") I think :
- flop : he calls me with everything
- turn : he calls me with everything (let's hope the river won't be too bad)
- river : that's sick ! he probably has nothing and now uses the scary board to bluff me out, I can't fold such a good hand.

That kind of thought process is just very bad. First, people don't call with anything, at any stakes, imo (except some bizarre two-streets floats, but I guess it's really rare), so I had to assign him a range, which I didn't do. Then, on the river, the question is not if he "probably has nothing", but how often does he have a real hand and how often does he bluff (considering his range), and do I have the odds to call (my hand being nothing else, on the river, than a bluffcatcher).

This hand was embarrassing for me but is a great example of tilt and of what it can induce, and is of great value in that sense. Therefore I'm happy to have played it and that Vanessa saw it

I realise I'm late to the party on this one but just wanted to say, as
someone trying to get his head around PLO, what a great series this is.

You two working together did an awesome job.

I wouldn't be embarrassed about that river call. The only people watching are those who make mistakes themselves and want to improve.

You said something about English not being your native language. Have to say, apart from your accent, I don't think anybody would know. (In an earlier episode Vanessa needed to explain what she meant by 'spazzing out' but there are plenty of us native English speakers - those of us who don't hang around poker forums - who might have wondered what that meant.)

I love the format. Mix of hand replayer vids + live action is perfect imo.

Many Thanks.

Thanks a lot for your nice post !

I loved making this series with her, and it was great to see people liked it too !

Thanks for what you said about my english I guess watching a ton of vids helped a lot !

Coming in a bit late to this thread...
Right in the beginning of the video there's a hand that didn't get commented. Table 2, UTG raises to 8 and everyone calls, you call TJ97 OTB. The blinds fold.

Flop is 937 , UTG checks, UTG+1 pots it and folded to you. You fold top 2 with nut gutter and two overs (and the straight flush blocker) and position. I'd like to get comments on that, I think that's pretty tight a fold.

Oh, thanks for the tuff_fish reminder, been a while since I watched those

It really sucks that these videos are still available BUT theres noone to discuss them with aftera year or so.Kinda makes em tough to learn from when you have questions about certain hands/situations.

Does anyone ever follow these video threads after a year?
How much time does each video have before it will be un discussable (that cant be a word but u get the drift )?

Thanks for the idea ! I played chess when I was young and don't remember having this problem... I guess this "autoclick" might come (partly) from my razz experience, where you get used to take very quick decisions (because most of the spots are very simple). Vanessa's two seconds rule helped a lot



I understand it, and agree about the fact that we can get more in depth with the other forms of coaching. It's simply two different things, that get different results, but as a student both are cool, and this episode was extremely valuable for me !

Not sure if youre still active on DC but just want to say BRAVO for being able to not get flushed and crazy during this video,Between playing,listening,responding and being told what plays to make in certain spots.Def alot tougher playing that way with a coach (especially her) digging into you in certain spots.
Although im sure it was well worth it.Shes an amazing player and you were extremely lucky to have her help you when u did.
Ive gained so much knowledge about the game from her vid's alone,never mind having her 1 on 1 coaching
Hope youre still doing well

Not sure if youre still active on DC but just want to say BRAVO for being able to not get flushed and crazy during this video,Between playing,listening,responding and being told what plays to make in certain spots.Def alot tougher playing that way with a coach (especially her) digging into you in certain spots.
Although im sure it was well worth it.Shes an amazing player and you were extremely lucky to have her help you when u did.
Ive gained so much knowledge about the game from her vid's alone,never mind having her 1 on 1 coaching
Hope youre still doing well

Hi !
Thanks a lot for your very kind message
Yes, you're right, it was very tough to do everything at the same time ! And the fact that english isn't my first language didn't help, for sure !
You're definitely right, she's an amazing coach and poker player ! If I remember right, the very first vid I watched on deucescracked was from her and I immediately loved the way she explains things.
During the series, I was also very happy to see how much it was liked by many people, and enjoyed all the nice comments that were made !
I'm doing ok, I'm spending most of my time finishing my studies, but I still play when I can... and I still love the game as much as I did when I started