first! lol love the series!
Vanessa and Steve continue their PLO pro quest. Steve has been grinding at $1/2 PLO and he's faced some LAGs and a new subset of LAG, the winning LAG.
Vanessa takes a student under her wing and shows off all the knowledge that won her that WSOP PLO bracelet, as they move through mid-stakes online Pot Limit Omaha.
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first! lol love the series!
2nd!!
Anything that involves Vanessa turns into EPIC! ![]()
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on the 2nd line, is his went to showdown % the green 37? If so I dont think I like this bluff either. 37 seems rather high and he's probably calling with any random 2 pairs, espcialy when u bet just over half pot.
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Hi Vanessa, I've been a DC member for awhile now and I remember you applying to law school last year. I just took the LSAT about a week ago, and I was wondering if you had any tips about including poker in your personal statement? If you get a chance to answer I'd really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
hey Vanessa and Steve!
just wanted to say great series, its good to see some advanced plo stuff. Vanessa, i love it when you discuss concepts abstractly, it seems you thought them through thoroughly and you manage to get your points across very well. if us law school is anything like here u´ll beat it like 1c/2c plo.
also props to Steve, i dont know how dc came to choose you for this, but those criteria should be used for future series featuring a student. honestly hope your hard work pays off, good luck.
(this post is unrelated to this video + PLO)
Hi Vanessa, I've been a DC member for awhile now and I remember you applying to law school last year. I just took the LSAT about a week ago, and I was wondering if you had any tips about including poker in your personal statement? If you get a chance to answer I'd really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
Hey there - I think it just depends on what your story is. For me, poker made a lot of sense in my story of why I went from a to b to c (I quit a prestigious consulting job to play full time so I knew I had to explain that a little). I think the analytical tools you use in poker are similar to those you use in law, so if you have a good sense of why you want to do law now, I think you can tell a good story where poker fits in nicely.
Personally, I mentioned it in the personal statement, but just as a step along the way (I think it was one paragraph in a 2 page single spaced statement). So obviously it doesn't necessarily hurt you since I wound up getting in to good schools, but I just think it is a personal decision and has to make sense. If you have done other stuff and never really played exclusively, you wouldn't have to include it - but I think if either (a) you have a resume gap that can only be explained by poker or (b) you have had a good deal of success, then you should talk a little bit about it, either in the personal statement, or just as a separate note to them (most applications include an opportunity to submit additional materials).
Hope that helps! You can also ask Ariel his experience (he is now a 1L at Harvard).
hey Vanessa and Steve!
just wanted to say great series, its good to see some advanced plo stuff. Vanessa, i love it when you discuss concepts abstractly, it seems you thought them through thoroughly and you manage to get your points across very well. if us law school is anything like here u´ll beat it like 1c/2c plo.
also props to Steve, i dont know how dc came to choose you for this, but those criteria should be used for future series featuring a student. honestly hope your hard work pays off, good luck.
Hey thanks a lot for this - it's always nice to hear some positive feedback
And I have to say, you're spot on about Steve. He's been such a pleasure to work with and he makes my life so much easier than he could. My sense about someone's work ethic was definitely a major factor in who I selected for the series, but Steve has gone above and beyond and continues to impress me. Stay tuned for future episodes, I think it winds up being a really cool and amazing journey (we just filmed ep 6 so who knows how it will end!)
Hey there - I think it just depends on what your story is. For me, poker made a lot of sense in my story of why I went from a to b to c (I quit a prestigious consulting job to play full time so I knew I had to explain that a little). I think the analytical tools you use in poker are similar to those you use in law, so if you have a good sense of why you want to do law now, I think you can tell a good story where poker fits in nicely.
Personally, I mentioned it in the personal statement, but just as a step along the way (I think it was one paragraph in a 2 page single spaced statement). So obviously it doesn't necessarily hurt you since I wound up getting in to good schools, but I just think it is a personal decision and has to make sense. If you have done other stuff and never really played exclusively, you wouldn't have to include it - but I think if either (a) you have a resume gap that can only be explained by poker or (b) you have had a good deal of success, then you should talk a little bit about it, either in the personal statement, or just as a separate note to them (most applications include an opportunity to submit additional materials).
Hope that helps! You can also ask Ariel his experience (he is now a 1L at Harvard).
Hey Vanesa, thanks for the advice. That helps me to know how to frame my poker experience in relation to going to law school and what I'd been doing since I graduated in '07.
also props to Steve, i dont know how dc came to choose you for this, but those criteria should be used for future series featuring a student. honestly hope your hard work pays off, good luck.
Thanks a lot, that's very encouraging ! I hope the series will help the persons watching as much as possible ![]()
Hey thanks a lot for this - it's always nice to hear some positive feedbackAnd I have to say, you're spot on about Steve. He's been such a pleasure to work with and he makes my life so much easier than he could. My sense about someone's work ethic was definitely a major factor in who I selected for the series, but Steve has gone above and beyond and continues to impress me. Stay tuned for future episodes, I think it winds up being a really cool and amazing journey (we just filmed ep 6 so who knows how it will end!)
As I said before, you're a great coach and it's a real pleasure to to this series with you !
It's also a great pleasure to see that people appreciate this adventure, and to share it with them
Deucescracked rules !
After watching Vanessa's videos I started thinking so deeply while playing, and I really enjoy it. There is no better PLO instructor than Vanessa.
hey again,
rewatched parts of the episode and after your discussion about the last hand (steves 9658 ss on 28379r board) i have to ask you about something i been trying to wrap my head around lately, and this hand is a pretty good example imo.
you say you like steve´s small river bet, and vs this guy it obv. works fine (probably because he´s overaggro), but you say you would rarely if ever raise as villian, which makes a lot of sense to me. so please assume villian would be a bit more like you.
our range then looks very wide until the river. (overpairs, wraps, fds, probably some pair + weak draw hands). so now when every flop draw misses on the river could it make sense to bet really big here to basically rep a bluff with a relativly wide range? (something like 87 or better? possibly even worse hands?)
i ask because to induce a shove like steve did here you need a very specific type of villian in my experience, while a lot more people tend to make big river calls with crap if your line looks suspicious.
unfortunatly i cant explain it any better, one of the very few posts i found on 2+2 where someone talked about it he called it "making a polarizing bet with an unpolarized range".
would be nice if you could offer some insight regarding that, i feel if i could implement it properly it should make life extremly tough for my opponents and your explaination would speed up the process a lot. if this is all bs i apologize in advance.
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I love the commentary here. The discussion about how to use position and assigning ranges is so important. I also like the comments about bluffing vs checking behind and which is a better decision.
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Great video so far. Vanessa you certainly have some great points on why you shouldn't be bluffing in this spot, however, I like the play he made on the river as it follows your initial advice from the previous video that when someone check raises the flop, than checks the turn, its typically a sign of weakness. I think that more likely than not it is the only way that he is going to win the pot here.
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