Thaks a lot to kkeorc and aaahshoveit for recommending me to use minimaxmod. It's a really cool tool, as we can see in this video (same room as episode 1 !).
Vanessa and Steve continue to go forward with his progress. This week Steve moves up to $1/2 PLO and they review a video session of his recent play.
Vanessa takes a student under her wing and shows off all the knowledge that won her that WSOP PLO bracelet, as they move through mid-stakes online Pot Limit Omaha.
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Thaks a lot to kkeorc and aaahshoveit for recommending me to use minimaxmod. It's a really cool tool, as we can see in this video (same room as episode 1 !).
Great thought processes throughout the whole video. As expected I'm really loving this series.
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When the river comes T and now there is a straight on the board, if a player has two pair he now has a straight. Only hand that might not have a straight is a set with no connecting side cards.
When the river comes T and now there is a straight on the board, if a player has two pair he now has a straight. Only hand that might not have a straight is a set with no connecting side cards.
Indeed, I'm an idiot. Luckily, this only strengthens my point ![]()
Once again, great vid Vanessa.
Once again, great vid Vanessa.
+1
Once again, great vid Vanessa.
Thanks. I just saw your blog post too - it was very sweet of you to write ![]()
This is really good stuff.
As a relative newbie to PLO i think the way in which the ideas/reasoning of hands are expressed works very well on many different levels.
Where is your hand database from? I assume that you didn't log all those hands against the 1/2 regs yourself.
Where is your hand database from? I assume that you didn't log all those hands against the 1/2 regs yourself.
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Great series btw, really high quality.
I just have a couple of PF questions about the play in this episode.
At about 33mins on the right-hand side table steve folds KKxxss UTG and it doesn't get talked about. That can't be standard can it?
Also later on, on the same table he 3-bets AQQx double suited (to the A and Q).
3-bettings seems ok to me, but this hand isn't going to hit that many flops v hard.
Is the 3-bet just to isolate because of chances of taking down the pot in position are pretty good?
Seems like the strengths of this hand are the nut-flush and set over set potential. So would it be better to have more people in the hand to make lower flushes and sets?
Great series btw, really high quality.
I just have a couple of PF questions about the play in this episode.
At about 33mins on the right-hand side table steve folds KKxxss UTG and it doesn't get talked about. That can't be standard can it?
Also later on, on the same table he 3-bets AQQx double suited (to the A and Q).
3-bettings seems ok to me, but this hand isn't going to hit that many flops v hard.
Is the 3-bet just to isolate because of chances of taking down the pot in position are pretty good?
Seems like the strengths of this hand are the nut-flush and set over set potential. So would it be better to have more people in the hand to make lower flushes and sets?
Hi,
About the KKxxss hand, it's hard for me to answer, as the coaching made me realize I have a lot to learn about playing big pairs !
I would say that those suited xx kings can be raised utg, but can definitely be folded too if the table is loose enough. When you raise this hand utg and get called one or more times, it gets really tough to play postflop if you don't flop a set (drawing to 2nd nuts in a multiway pot oop is not that cool). Today, I'd play it UTG or UTG+1 at a normal / tight table and fold it at a very agressive, very loose or very tough table..
About AQQ8 double suited, there are several reasons to my 3-bet. First, the raiser is in the cut off, and his range is very wide considering his stats. Against his range, I think my hand has a good equity. Moreover, if I just flat call, the SB might very well call (considering his stats), and the BB too. Three or four handed, I'll only be in good shape if I flop a set or a diamond draw, with something else to help. The heart flush draw, in a multiway pot, will be tough to play. By raising, I might clean the heart flush draw, and, by getting HU, take the pot on the flop or even win with my QQ unimproved.
That's my reasoning for those two hands, but as you could see in the vids my reasonings are far from always correct
Would love to hear your comments about those hands !
Hi Steve
With the kings, I tend to think they're probably one of the relatively easier hands to play OOP (maybe I'm wrong). As they tend to either hit a flop hard (prob about 10-15% of flops) or not at all. So it should be relatively straightforward as to how you should proceed. I think they're a hand that you'd probably want in a multiway single-raised pot where poss.
With the AQQ8ds. I can see why its good to play with position & momentum. I just wasn't sure how many times you were going to have a good hand on the flop. Cleaning up the Q-high flush outs is obviously good. I suppose you'll have an overpair and a nut (or good) flush draw a fair %age of the time. Which I know is probably good enough to go with. And you'll steal the pot by virtue of positional advantage a good proportion of the times when you don't have a flush draw.
I was just querying it because I thought it was interesting. People often 3-bet a hand with multiple decent aspects to it(e.g. QT87ss, QJ86ds). Because those hands rarely hit flops v hard, but hit them quite-well, often. So they have enough equity to get their stack in, in a HU situation most of the time.
The AQQ8ds hand seemed to have a couple of really strong aspects to it which occur rarely, but are strong enough to go with multiway when they do occur.
I'd probably 3-bet it as well, was just trying to think/discuss if there were merits to flatting. The tendancies of the players left to act behind would be a big factor in the decision I'd imagine.
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