Poker Video: MTT/SNG by bones (Mid Stakes)

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Edit: timeline should be 26.15, never done that before...sorry


With such a chip lead do you think pushing j5 suited against the stack that does you the most damage to gain 300 chips was correct?

I know bubble we should be gathering chips, but i felt that you could of let that one go, maybe just raised and folded to the shove.

I am going to mess about with that hand in sngwiz but would like to hear more of your thoughts on that hand.

Edit: timeline should be 26.15, never done that before...sorry


With such a chip lead do you think pushing j5 suited against the stack that does you the most damage to gain 300 chips was correct?

I know bubble we should be gathering chips, but i felt that you could of let that one go, maybe just raised and folded to the shove.

I am going to mess about with that hand in sngwiz but would like to hear more of your thoughts on that hand.

Raise/folding sucks because it allows him to jam hands that he shouldn't call with and do it profitably (A8s is a great example of that. Calling there is a mistake but shoving over my open if I'm raise/folding a huge range is going to be very profitable). Admittedly it's a bit thin and I'd def fold J5o, but I like to err on the side of aggression, especially on the bubble and in a vid where I think most viewers probably default towards the cautious side.

Yea i agree on the raise/fold option i mentioned, far to exploitable

Admittedly it's a bit thin and I'd def fold J5o

So was the push a standard for you?

If the 2 other players stacks were swapped over i would agree and push but that one was into someone who crippled you if he called.

And i must admit i was astounded at some of the calls and moves made by people at that level, but i suppose in their defence it was 6 max and thats a game i dont play so it may be standard.

The fact that the stacks are this way makes it more of a push. You want to be attacking the medium to biggish stacks when you have the biggest stack by some margin. They have the most to lose by calling you and their range should tighten significantly. The smaller stacks are more likely to feel desperate and hero call you, knowing that they can't just wait for the other person(s) to bust.

Yea that makes sense.
I think i saw some monsters under the bed regarding that push.
I must admit though i hated the push as soon as you done it before seeing the call.

Maybe it was because it was a $39 buy in....whilst i'm still on the $5's i am expecting players at that buy in to be understanding that people are going to be pushing wide in that spot and adjusting.

Do you think that guy knew you and knew you were pushing wide?
I am sure a few hands before that you folded something and said it was because he hasnt been involved much.

will have to wait till i watch it again to verify that statement.

he can't adjust much there, tbh. he probably couldnt even call AK or so, just because of ICM. so he probably was just on tilt or something to call A8s there, I guess a decent player would never do that.

so in fact you can push looser in the high buyins against the stacks that are a bit smaller than yours, because they simply can't call and they know it.

in case you move up you should sooner or later get sng wizard, to figure out what you should call/push there

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You talk about adjusting your ranges if you were a reg. in these stakes against pokerrorroce. Can you elaborate a bit more on what your calling/shoving ranges would be against a confident, aggro player. This may be a leak of mine short handed so a brief rundown would be great!

@38:22 (lost my trusty timeline linkage), the AQo hand is a really really interesting spot. Your point about the stack size distributions is a valid one and definitely the most prevalent argument for a fold. That said I think AQo still has to be the bottom of our calling range. I don't think the presence of one big stack is going to deter him from pushing at least reasonable holdings given the other stack size distributions. With a range of 44+,A7s+,A9o+,KJs+, AQo is still +0.4%. I'd want to be very certain that I had that small an edge or less before folding this in the context, as even expanding the push range to include 22, 33 and KJo makes it jump to ~+0.9%, which is way too big an edge to pretty much ever want to fold here imo. That combined with the fact that we still have plenty of potential pwnage opportunity even if we do call and lose makes me think we can't realistically fold this.

The most interesting aspect of this to me is that, if you put him on some of the tighter ranges that a lot of opponents might be similarly adhering to, AQo is still a pretty clear call but AJs is a lot closer, and in the 1st mentioned range above it is straight up -EV with something like a 0.5% EVdiff between AQo and AJs. Pretty cool spot and a really tough one to gauge in-game given how sharp some of these profitability curves seem to display themselves and the difficulties of quantifying future game implications absent any help from ICM.

edit: for everyone reading this that wasn't clear on the implications, if you do believe your opponent to be pushing noticeably wider than the aforementioned range(s), both would certainly be a call and perhaps even wider, depending on his pushing range.

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Just curious why you would not call on top two pair? I found it odd that you would fold. In my experience, these hands usually end up being a winner. What's the odds that he has an Ace as well... that's my thinking. Please elaborate... thanks... the video is awesome BTW.

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Could you elaborate on why you would shove with K8? I wouldn't consider that to be a hand to shove even at 6-max... did you have a particular read?

Thanks.

Could you elaborate on why you would shove with K8? I wouldn't consider that to be a hand to shove even at 6-max... did you have a particular read?

Thanks.

Even if they're both calling really loose (22+, A2+, KJ+ K9s+ QJs for sb and 22+ A2+, K5+, K2s+, Q8s+ J9s+ for bb) It's gonna be a profitable shove with a range as wide as all pairs, all aces, K7s+, QJ, Q9s+, Jts+ T9s+. Of course that's a reallyyyyy loose range for the bb to be calling with, so we can shove even more than that. I'd suggest playing around with sngwiz, you'll be amazed at what you can shove.

Just curious why you would not call on top two pair? I found it odd that you would fold. In my experience, these hands usually end up being a winner. What's the odds that he has an Ace as well... that's my thinking. Please elaborate... thanks... the video is awesome BTW.

In an absolute sense we have top 2, but in a relative sense we have an extremely weak hand. After a bet and a raise in front on an AQQ board, we're likely never ahead here. It's not like they're gonna have pocket 7s and KT.

hi was just wondering why you didnt at least raise with the A8 on the button at about 50 mins in?? would the big stack not have folded a huge range anyway? and you would have been able to call the all in of the short stack? even if the big stack shoved you would have lost a minimal amount of chips....

I didn't think raise/calling would be profitable enough to justify all the times I'd have to raise/fold to the sb's shove or dealing with him flatting. There is also some hidden equity in letting the other two clash which is far more likely to happen when I fold. A8o is probably the top of my folding range there, so it is pretty close.

I didn't think raise/calling would be profitable enough to justify all the times I'd have to raise/fold to the sb's shove or dealing with him flatting. There is also some hidden equity in letting the other two clash which is far more likely to happen when I fold. A8o is probably the top of my folding range there, so it is pretty close.

thanks really helpful love the videos

okay

damn! that last hand was a burner.
I like your vids, you are calm, cool, and collected.
Thank you!

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WOW! people are really playing that bad at the 39$ sngs? Do you see players like U2Grey often?

Great Video. I cant beleive the 39$ sngs at stars are that soft! Nothing tilts me harder then people snap calling my shoves with terrible calling hands like players did in this video. Whats your advice for when days like this happen? By that I mean where it seems like you keep making the correct play but just lose everytime.

Great Video. I cant beleive the 39$ sngs at stars are that soft! Nothing tilts me harder then people snap calling my shoves with terrible calling hands like players did in this video. Whats your advice for when days like this happen? By that I mean where it seems like you keep making the correct play but just lose everytime.

Just gotta ride it out. I know that's probably not what you're looking to hear, but you're just gonna have those days. Keep playing well, keep reviewing your play with wiz and discussing hands on the forums and with friends. Glad you enjoyed the vid.

Iknow the vid is 10months old so you're probably better at vid making these days.. but there's a big difference between this video and the next one (AMT), he's talking much more about 'this is afold but xxhands are calls because...etc'.

Your other vids are better (in this one you're pretty much telling what buttons to click instead of why, too often) but still, please try to talk more about ranges you would call/fold/push w/e and why instead of just telling us that Ax is a fold or a push without telling us the range for not folding/pushing.

Hope I wasn't too harsh, not like it was not usefull at all,but this vid was a pretty bad time investment compared to your other vids/other pokerstrat stuff.

Iknow the vid is 10months old so you're probably better at vid making these days.. but there's a big difference between this video and the next one (AMT), he's talking much more about 'this is afold but xxhands are calls because...etc'.

Your other vids are better (in this one you're pretty much telling what buttons to click instead of why, too often) but still, please try to talk more about ranges you would call/fold/push w/e and why instead of just telling us that Ax is a fold or a push without telling us the range for not folding/pushing.

Hope I wasn't too harsh, not like it was not usefull at all,but this vid was a pretty bad time investment compared to your other vids/other pokerstrat stuff.

It's been quite a while since I watched this vid in its entirety, but I'm sure you have some valid criticisms. Video making is definitely a skill that gets better with experience. I've certainly watched a few of my early vids and cringed. But I still think there's some valuable content and that they're worth watching, even if there are a few spots where I don't fully expand on some concepts or have a few "uhhh"s in there. I'd like to think I've improved a bit since then and hopefully will produce better, more thorough vids in the future.

Thanks for the constructive criticism.

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why are you folding HU,according to harrington on hold em page 377 vol 2 he says u should call with any 2 cards at least unless ur opponent is rasing lots then drop off the last 20%.

why are you folding HU,according to harrington on hold em page 377 vol 2 he says u should call with any 2 cards at least unless ur opponent is rasing lots then drop off the last 20%.

With 17bbs i don't like limping garbage and I didn't want to adopt a 100% minraising strategy right away. Sometimes I do, but it depends on the opponent. While HOH is a great book, it's generally not geared for online short handed play.