Poker Video: Stud/Stud 8 by Joe Tall (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:25:54

The fifth street raise has to be the four flush and then he caught a pair of nines on the end, no? Makes a lot more sense than him limping 9s on third and then raising them on 5th after you catch J-T on 4th and 5th.

The fifth street raise has to be the four flush and then he caught a pair of nines on the end, no? Makes a lot more sense than him limping 9s on third and then raising them on 5th after you catch J-T on 4th and 5th.

Well after review, that might be the actual case/results, he limped after one player and in front of an Ace. Many with weak/small pairs will do this, so 9/9 is definitely in this range. Usually you can get a c/r in here on 6th, I guess he limped with the trash Kd8d9c and did pick up the 4-flush that's why he didnt bet 6th.

Time Link to 00:06:20

What are your thoughts on raising 6th street here? When you make open sixes and he calls 5th street, he almost always has a four flush.. Seems to me you can raise here and then bet the river and you'll likely get him to fold unimproved 9s.. You may even get him to fold 2 small pair, but even if that's not the case, you will atleast get value the times you both make 2 pair on the river.

What are your thoughts on raising 6th street here? When you make open sixes and he calls 5th street, he almost always has a four flush.. Seems to me you can raise here and then bet the river and you'll likely get him to fold unimproved 9s.. You may even get him to fold 2 small pair, but even if that's not the case, you will atleast get value the times you both make 2 pair on the river.

I'm going to have to agree with you after review. I like it. Had I been single tabling or not making a video I may raise there and follow through on the river for sure 100% if you raise 6th. I nearly get out the points/logic to raise when I decide he only has a pair of 9s, I just start counting outs for the sake of the video and call.

However, I will say such a line is a little more for a higher stake game against a little more thinking players, where they might fold 2-pair, as most do not.

Well after review, that might be the actual case/results, he limped after one player and in front of an Ace. Many with weak/small pairs will do this, so 9/9 is definitely in this range.

Interesting point. Is it ever correct to overlimp in this spot with a hand like [9h 9s] 7h with live cards when there are some big doorcards behind you? If so, what conditions are you looking for to overlimp instead of completing or folding?

What are your thoughts on raising 6th street here? When you make open sixes and he calls 5th street, he almost always has a four flush.. Seems to me you can raise here and then bet the river and you'll likely get him to fold unimproved 9s.. You may even get him to fold 2 small pair, but even if that's not the case, you will atleast get value the times you both make 2 pair on the river.

I play this as JT did. Hearts are dead. She is obv a fish and will not fold anything when calling vs the A66 on 5th. If we raise 6th and bet the river we've bloated the pot and won't get many folds from bad players.

Time Link to 00:17:20

I would strongly consider stealing here. The opponents seem to be resonably tight (plus the bring-in is busy chatting all the time) and we have a 2flush and 2 overs to back us up. They will know that we're stealing in the majority of cases, but the can't do anything against it because they are full of crap themselves and the pot isn't that big.

Time Link to 00:41:29

I mostly check behind here. He might have 77 or a 4flush (diamonds and 7s are super live), so the freecard would be more beneficial to us than to him. I'd also hate it to get x/r. Definitly checking behind on 5th street vs his board.

Interesting point. Is it ever correct to overlimp in this spot with a hand like [9h 9s] 7h with live cards when there are some big doorcards behind you? If so, what conditions are you looking for to overlimp instead of completing or folding?

I would say it mostly depends on the opponents behind us. If they are tough and aggressive we should fold often. Vs bad and passive opponents limp along.

I mostly check behind here. He might have 77 or a 4flush (diamonds and 7s are super live), so the freecard would be more beneficial to us than to him. I'd also hate it to get x/r. Definitly checking behind on 5th street vs his board.

Are we done with the hand if we check back on 4th and don't improve, or is this just saving a bet when we are a dog to his range?

Are we done with the hand if we check back on 4th and don't improve, or is this just saving a bet when we are a dog to his range?

If we brick and he doesn't catch a 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5 or 5 we have to fold if he bets into us because of potsize and our equity. I'm assuming a very wide range (22-88,*s*s,*7,BB,BM,98,8T,T9|7d) here, vs tighter ranges it's even worse. Play with ProPokerTools to alter ranges.

great video! For some next video maybe it would be nice to have some particular spots where typical players don't raise but there is equity to raise. some headsup or multiway spots where we have enough equity to raise but few players realize it.

Some comments on this video:

2:20 in the left table, you fold a gutshot with an ace in a 3way pot getting 5:1 pot odds. I think the implied odds of 3 big bet streets are enough for calling no??

15:25 in the right table a Q door in a obvious steal spot raises and you have (79)8 with live sixes and tens. I think a reraise can be considered, instead of a fold.

21:30 in the left you fold 765 in a multiway limped pot. The hand is not very good because you have a couple of dead cards, but its too cheap to see 4th street, getting 7:1 and again, the implied odds are probably high no?

30:09 your idea of reraising (6A)6 against a reraising 7... i dont like it very much. i dont think you are gaining much fold equity if any, and you are probably behind. but on the other maybe its ok to do that sometimes to balance the times you reraise with a big hidden pair or rolled up sixes (in case it is necessary to balance against that particular opponent)

46:02 left table, im not sure why you called 3rd getting 3,5:1, and then folded 4th getting 6,5:1 when not much has changed. everybody catch bricks (you have another ten so very unlikely they have paired it). i think its probably best to fold third, but if i call third i think calling fourth is ok

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I would strongly consider stealing here. The opponents seem to be resonably tight (plus the bring-in is busy chatting all the time) and we have a 2flush and 2 overs to back us up. They will know that we're stealing in the majority of cases, but the can't do anything against it because they are full of crap themselves and the pot isn't that big.

That's the whole thing, the pot isn't that big. But having that same door is a trap. When you are called you are toast, as they are NOT full of crap and KNOW you are!

I mostly check behind here. He might have 77 or a 4flush (diamonds and 7s are super live), so the freecard would be more beneficial to us than to him. I'd also hate it to get x/r. Definitly checking behind on 5th street vs his board.

It's super thin on both streets. If you are definitely checking behind 5th always, you are giving them wayyyy too much credit. 5th and 6th are thin bets, we are getting checked to when he's "improving" so we might be still good.

30:09 your idea of reraising (6A)6 against a reraising 7... i dont like it very much. i dont think you are gaining much fold equity if any, and you are probably behind. but on the other maybe its ok to do that sometimes to balance the times you reraise with a big hidden pair or rolled up sixes (in case it is necessary to balance against that particular opponent)

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/1200-Episode-Four?seek=1835

Will find time to look up the links to the hands but for this hand, I'm not behind his range at all: http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/simulate.jsp?g=st&d=5cJcQd&h1=6hAc%7C6s&h2=22-AA.+*7%2C*c*c%7C7c&h3=&h4=&h5=

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/1200-Episode-Four?seek=1835

Will find time to look up the links to the hands but for this hand, I'm not behind his range at all: http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/simulate.jsp?g=st&d=5cJcQd&h1=6hAc%7C6s&h2=22-AA.+*7%2C*c*c%7C7c&h3=&h4=&h5=

Your sim it isn't accurate because of some typos. Actually we're a slight dog. I think also, you're not giving enough credit to his raise. Although we are completing into two bigger cards, he's raising despite a Q door behind. This demonstrates some strength. I think a more reasonable range would look like this.

That's the whole thing, the pot isn't that big. But having that same door is a trap. When you are called you are toast, as they are NOT full of crap and KNOW you are!

Yeah when they call you are probably toast, but they rarely call because they rarely have something when everyones door is dead, so i dont know...

For example, in 35:00, there is a 3rd street spot where there is you and another two people with a J door. The first jack raises and you say: well he probably has the case jack! so you don't think he was full of crap anyways.

That's the whole thing, the pot isn't that big. But having that same door is a trap. When you are called you are toast, as they are NOT full of crap and KNOW you are!

What's your definition of "toast"? If called I'm not worried at all, because we always have two overs to their pair or are ahead against a 3flush or a 3straight. Vs this range we are only a 44% dog. Getting 1.7:1 I think it's a profitable steal. Like Raist0000 said, they rarely have something. Actually it's good if they think we are full of crap, because in this case we are not.

If someone 3bets it's not that much worse, because our overs are still good often as we can discount AA, QQ, JJ.

3:17 I'm always raising on the left table against a limped king as you can manipulate weak players like that easily and can put him on a weaker hand and we take down the pot often on 4th and can get away from it if he catches perfect.

6:19 right table I think it is possible for him to be bluffing the river with only nines a good portion of the time as he wants two pair to fold.

7:13 i'm stealing there 100% of the time as we have decent value despite the dead 6s

23:53 if spades are all live are you raising there to pump the pot with such great equity?

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I think you may have missed the fact that he lead out on 5th here and you raised because you had bet/raise any ticked. That's what I assume anyway, because you said on 6th "there's no reason to think he has a pair", so you must have thought it went check/call on 5th?

I think you may have missed the fact that he lead out on 5th here and you raised because you had bet/raise any ticked. That's what I assume anyway, because you said on 6th "there's no reason to think he has a pair", so you must have thought it went check/call on 5th?

We are both are off. I lead out, he raised and I 3-bet and shut down when he paired his door on 6th.

We are both are off. I lead out, he raised and I 3-bet and shut down when he paired his door on 6th.

Sorry, I meant to time link to 08:56 and not 00:56 but it messed up sometime during posting. (The hand where you had the A87ddd, made a pair of sevens, then called a river bet)

I think you may have missed the fact that he lead out on 5th here and you raised because you had bet/raise any ticked. That's what I assume anyway, because you said on 6th "there's no reason to think he has a pair", so you must have thought it went check/call on 5th?

Found the hand, and I think you are right as I memorize the hands on the other table. Perils of two-tabling stud and making a live-audio video.

i cant download the MP4 download on this episode for some reason. Anything i can do?

i cant download the MP4 download on this episode for some reason. Anything i can do?

No download issue here, just downloaded it in 30 seconds. Right-click and Save-As maybe?

Where are you located?

I got it downloaded. Not sure what happened, but it's all good now. thanks