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Road to Robusto NL: Episode Eight

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Road to Robusto NL: Episode Eight by tubasteve

Tubasteve concludes this season with a 2-tabling live play video of 50NL then wraps up with analysis of his HEM database of the hands found in the full series.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 68 minutes long
  • Posted about 2 years ago

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Sugar Nut

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Time Link to 00:16:18

I don't really like your turnbetsize here tbh. Not if you plan on shipping the river. By betting $9 on the turn you set up a line of under half pot - half pot - pot. If you make it $11 on the turn I don't think that that is gonna change his calling range all that much, but you will be able to ship the river giving him a way better price.

P.S. I have not yet seen if he calls you and if yes, with what he shows up, so my comment here is unbiased by results.

Posted over 2 years ago

Sugar Nut

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Time Link to 00:19:10

You say that you'd rather call IP because you don't know yet what kinda mistakes he's gonna make OOP.

How do you plan on finding out? Wink

Posted over 2 years ago

Sugar Nut

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Time Link to 00:22:44

Oh god... Please don't call!!!!

Welcome to 2pair+ land.

Posted over 2 years ago

Sugar Nut

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Time Link to 00:51:19

Here's my take on "How to crush 10NL-50NL":

Click "Bet"...

... until they click "Raise"...

... then you click "Fold"

???

Profit

Posted over 2 years ago

Ajeto

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I don't really like your turnbetsize here tbh. Not if you plan on shipping the river. By betting $9 on the turn you set up a line of under half pot - half pot - pot. If you make it $11 on the turn I don't think that that is gonna change his calling range all that much, but you will be able to ship the river giving him a way better price.

P.S. I have not yet seen if he calls you and if yes, with what he shows up, so my comment here is unbiased by results.



I agree here with u, SNut, I would also prefer more like 11 here.

I don't remember how do 50nl opponents react but turn 0,5p bet on such board is usually more like a value bet than a bluff... What do u think, TS?

Posted over 2 years ago

riddlemedeuce

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This series needs a 2nd season IMO.

Posted over 2 years ago

poon8855

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This series needs a 2nd season IMO.



qft

After watching this seris I'm gonna have to rewatch tuba's older videos

Posted over 2 years ago

z324739

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Time Link to 00:33:26

Left table A10o on button. Relatively unknown shortie bets 3X PRF, we fold. Is this because he is short or ? I kind of expected some action (flatting/3betting) ?

Posted over 2 years ago

tubasteve

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I don't really like your turnbetsize here tbh. Not if you plan on shipping the river. By betting $9 on the turn you set up a line of under half pot - half pot - pot. If you make it $11 on the turn I don't think that that is gonna change his calling range all that much, but you will be able to ship the river giving him a way better price.

P.S. I have not yet seen if he calls you and if yes, with what he shows up, so my comment here is unbiased by results.




yeah, i'll agree with this for sure

Posted over 2 years ago

tubasteve

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Oh god... Please don't call!!!!

Welcome to 2pair+ land.




or not, apparently. Wink

Posted over 2 years ago

tubasteve

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You say that you'd rather call IP because you don't know yet what kinda mistakes he's gonna make OOP.

How do you plan on finding out? Wink




by 3-betting hands with less postflop value to start Poke Tongue

but yeah, 3-betting isn't bad or anything, i just elected to call since i thought it was close and i like playing with a deep SPR in position. Smile

Posted over 2 years ago

tubasteve

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Here's my take on "How to crush 10NL-50NL":

Click "Bet"...

... until they click "Raise"...

... then you click "Fold"

???

Profit



well yeah but that wouldn't give me much to talk about, besides the whole point of the series is trying to move past that thinking. Smile

Posted over 2 years ago

tubasteve

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I agree here with u, SNut, I would also prefer more like 11 here.

I don't remember how do 50nl opponents react but turn 0,5p bet on such board is usually more like a value bet than a bluff... What do u think, TS?



i guess, i mean most people aren't gonna realize that, they just see pot odds and call (esp if you have an aggressive image b/c no one wants to get bluffed by a 1/2 pot bet)

Posted over 2 years ago

tubasteve

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Left table A10o on button. Relatively unknown shortie bets 3X PRF, we fold. Is this because he is short or ? I kind of expected some action (flatting/3betting) ?




he was short and hadn't raise preflop yet, so yea i think its a pretty easy fold.

Posted over 2 years ago

DanhBai

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I'm a FR player, but i really got a lot out of this series. NH.

Posted over 2 years ago

marcopolio

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Steve, what are the chances on you doing a thread / video on increasing your aggression as a player looking to improve? Just looking at your stats, you seem far more aggro than myself or regs I often play against.

My thinking is that this comes from bet/folding more, 2barrelling more and thin value betting more - sound about right or are there other factors that need to be considered? I would think these come from better hand reading and not spewing / bluffing vs players who won't / can't fold or recognised that you *must* have a monster Smile

Are there concepts / thought processes / further information to consider here or are there articles / vids you can point m towards?

Congrats on an excellent vidoe series - your best so far and lots of imformation disseminated very well. Nice work.

Posted over 2 years ago

tubasteve

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Steve, what are the chances on you doing a thread / video on increasing your aggression as a player looking to improve? Just looking at your stats, you seem far more aggro than myself or regs I often play against.

My thinking is that this comes from bet/folding more, 2barrelling more and thin value betting more - sound about right or are there other factors that need to be considered? I would think these come from better hand reading and not spewing / bluffing vs players who won't / can't fold or recognised that you *must* have a monster Smile

Are there concepts / thought processes / further information to consider here or are there articles / vids you can point m towards?

Congrats on an excellent vidoe series - your best so far and lots of imformation disseminated very well. Nice work.




Well, I don't want to sound like a smartass, but that was sorta the purpose of this series! If you mean a more structured theory video, I can see about hooking that up sometime in the future.

Thanks for the compliments everyone. Smile

Posted over 2 years ago

not2secure4u

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Tubasteve , amazing series. I am happy that my first comment is here in your video series. This is amazing. I think you should do a 2nd season for sure !

Posted over 2 years ago

Sugar Nut

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by 3-betting hands with less postflop value to start Poke Tongue

but yeah, 3-betting isn't bad or anything, i just elected to call since i thought it was close and i like playing with a deep SPR in position. Smile




Deep SPR is for the weak! Wink

Seriously though, I love deep SPR, however I like it better with hands that have better than one pair potential so to speak. There's this thread over in SSNL where we discuss the very same thing (i think you participated aswell)

or not, apparently. Wink



well... who hasn't gotten range-merged by the fishes? Still I think your call sucks hard. I mean you always argue that W$@SD doesn't have to be above 50% and your (perfectly sound) reasoning for it is that you're getting pot odds and don't have to be good half the time.

When someone 2x pots it though, then we're getting in the ballpark of 50% (it's 40% I know but close enough). Unless I've seen someone spazz out like that I'm not gonna assume that 3rd pair no kicker is gonna be good here often enough.

Posted over 2 years ago

tubasteve

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when he shoves 2x pot i think its actually less likely he has a good hand than when he pots it (which only requires 33%), so i don't know if i agree with your logic about the bet size in general; 40% isn't ridiculous IMO and i think he's strongly weighted towards a missed draw or KQ. i think you are probably right that its still a fold. the action just didn't quite add up at the time.

Posted over 2 years ago

tubasteve

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ok, so i did some stoving. was able to come up with around 33-36% equity vs various ranges that mostly included KQ/QJ as value hands and missed draws. i didn't actually give him that many combos of missed draws; but i think the real problem is that on this board texture there just aren't a lot of ways he can have spades without a pair, and so when he shoves i still think he's unlikely to have those hands but it also means there aren't nearly as many missed FDs that can shove as i originally thought. so its probably a little closer to a call than sugar nut may have thought but still a fold.

of course, i realize just using pokerstove in this fashion doesn't consider how his range is weighted but i tried to take that into consideration by playing around with the combos. we can probably expect to have anything from 30-35% equity on average in a spot like this, that is until we realize he's also shoving QTo, then theres no way we can even consider calling. Smile

Posted over 2 years ago

TecmoSuperBowl

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goshdarn merge-ranging fish! he totally did that just to balance his 2x pot shoving range!

Posted over 2 years ago

marcopolio

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Well, I don't want to sound like a smartass, but that was sorta the purpose of this series! If you mean a more structured theory video, I can see about hooking that up sometime in the future.

Thanks for the compliments everyone. Smile



Oh yeah, I got that and think you did a great job getting it over. I didn't explain myself well; a more structured theory vid / series would be great and that is what I was talking about. Perhaps where you take hand submissions / videos with a specific topic, like thin river value or summat and break down how you would review your play and what to look for.

Sorta like a Movin' On Up - Micro Edition, maybe discussing the different levels - eg, I would float here, vs this villain at 50nl but at 25nl vs this villain, I wouldn't even though the board texture is similar / the same etc.

Basically, the series left me wanting more and I was considering what to move on to, to challenge this new information and apply it.

Posted over 2 years ago

thelynchmob1

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tuba, when the fish shoved his QTo, you mentioned that he had inadvertedly merged his range, instead of having a polarized range. Could you explain what these two concepts mean?

From what I can gather, when his range is 'polarized' it means he's repping either complete air (like a busted draw) or a very strong hand, is that right? What does it mean to merge your range?

Posted over 2 years ago

Sugar Nut

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polarized range skewed towards air:

AIR: IIIIII------------------------II :NUTS

Polarized range skewed towards nuts:

AIR: II------------------------IIIIII :NUTS

Merged Range:

AIR: -I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I- :NUTS

Posted over 2 years ago

Age Quod Agis

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Great series, finished the videos up tonight. Definitely liked the live action two table format the best. Two tables keep enough action going as well as being easy to see and take in what is going on at all times. Thanks again Steve Smile

Posted over 2 years ago

Tatolino

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very nice series, i like ur lag style in microstakes! but u missed to show ur stats by position in the episode 4 im right? it would have been interesting...

Posted over 2 years ago

shades

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polarized range skewed towards air:

AIR: IIIIII------------------------II :NUTS

Polarized range skewed towards nuts:

AIR: II------------------------IIIIII :NUTS

Merged Range:

AIR: -I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I- :NUTS



lol nice

Posted over 2 years ago

shades

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Good Series Tuba , i assume there is 1 more video to come when the winner of DCU is announced?

Posted over 2 years ago

Fancy Pants

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Time Link to 00:26:07

In this spot, you raise AK on the button and get flatted by a probable nit out of the blinds. Flop comes T84 rainbow. As you stated, his range is heavily weighted towards small to medium pocket pairs, so why don't we fire a big bet on the flop expecting him to call 80%+ of the time, then barrel just about every turn and river?

I do this with my whole range at nl100-200 against bad multitablers, and it seems to me to be very profitable. With AK though, I'd do it against any nit, because the ones who are thinking and/or suspicious are liable to call down on cards that they perceive to be good for barreling, namely yadda yadda yadda....

Posted over 2 years ago

tubasteve

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i dont think its really profitable to try and bluff 50nlers off midpairs on T high flops, and when he coldcalls preflop i'm in a situation where he either has a midpair, or some other hand with 3 outs (maybe AK himself). so i don't really gain anything by betting since i have position and can see what he does on the turn.

Posted over 2 years ago

Fancy Pants

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We do gain something (a big pot!) if we think he'll call 1 or 2 barrels with most of the hands that beat us and then fold. Yes, his action on the turn will basically tell us his hand strength, but we already have a good idea what he has on the flop...

Posted over 2 years ago

tubasteve

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We do gain something (a big pot!) if we think he'll call 1 or 2 barrels with most of the hands that beat us and then fold. Yes, his action on the turn will basically tell us his hand strength, but we already have a good idea what he has on the flop...



i'm saying that in this spot i think he almost never folds the turn if he calls the flop, at least not often enough to make a barrel profitable.

Posted over 2 years ago

Fancy Pants

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I agree and think this makes the play even better, since we usually win 2 bets rather than 1. This is just my hyper-lagtard way of thinking kicking in. I don't have any proof that it's profitable at 50NL, but you've only convinced me that your line is good, not that mine doesn't work!

Anyway, I thought this was an impressive video all around, though I haven't seen the rest of the series.

Posted over 2 years ago

TecmoSuperBowl

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Anyway, I thought this was an impressive video all around, though I haven't seen the rest of the series.



Who starts with episode 8? Smile

Posted over 2 years ago

tubasteve

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I agree and think this makes the play even better, since we usually win 2 bets rather than 1. This is just my hyper-lagtard way of thinking kicking in. I don't have any proof that it's profitable at 50NL, but you've only convinced me that your line is good, not that mine doesn't work!

Anyway, I thought this was an impressive video all around, though I haven't seen the rest of the series.




well, start by listing which hands you think call the flop but fold the turn, and which ones you think call the flop then don't fold the turn. glad you liked the vid, check out the others!

Posted over 2 years ago

fr1234

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New to DC. Where do we find the quizes?

Posted over 2 years ago

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Thanks for the great video series Tubasteve!

FancyPants, for the 25:08 AK hand, UTG raised to 3bb's, and Tubasteve 3bet to 4x on the button, the 19/11 BB called, and UTG folded. In this spot assuming BB would 4bet QQ+/AK, then his range here is weighted more towards stuff like JJ/TT/AQ/99/AJs/KQs maybe? Basically, there is a pretty good chance he can show up with a mid-pair here. The board is very good for his hand if he calls.

If Tubasteve fires the flop, there's a decent risk he's going to get check-raised all-in or check-called by made hands here, and if villain shows up with Broadway type hands, Tubasteve is ahead unless he's facing ATs or chopping with AK. Villain won't fold stuff like 99 here and it's hard to even get him to fold that hand on the turn. Villain may not have many outs if he is behind as well. This flop may be tough to bluff considering villain's range, and the turn as well. We aren't really value betting this spot either and don't have much to protect from. If villain has AQ/AJs/KQs or whatever, then he check-folds the turn, or he may check-call the turn but may have check-folded the flop. Good luck, Yojimgari

Posted over 2 years ago

doc.lemon

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Time Link to 00:25:17

lol the qt shove by the donkey was so random Smile

Not that rare at 50NL, people seem to be clicking random butons so much at this limit

Posted about 2 years ago

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I actually guessed he had a weak Queen there, just beacuse I see this kind of play by fish so often. They see the king on the river and shoves, hoping to get someone of a weak king or something. They just don't make sense in their thinking Poke Tongue

Posted about 2 years ago

mkclerk

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Have the winner's been picked yet and if so are the videos done? Will they be in another series. Please let us know Tuba. Don't want to miss them. Really good series. I just move to 25nl myself so it was exactly what I needed.

Posted about 2 years ago

tubasteve

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Have the winner's been picked yet and if so are the videos done? Will they be in another series. Please let us know Tuba. Don't want to miss them. Really good series. I just move to 25nl myself so it was exactly what I needed.



http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/7-Research-Development-/65381-Sweeps-Schedule

Smile

Posted about 2 years ago

TecmoSuperBowl

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Have the winner's been picked yet and if so are the videos done? Will they be in another series. Please let us know Tuba. Don't want to miss them. Really good series. I just move to 25nl myself so it was exactly what I needed.



The winner has been picked and at least one, if not both of, the bonus videos will be released on Monday.

Posted about 2 years ago

mkclerk

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The winner has been picked and at least one, if not both of, the bonus videos will be released on Monday.


Thanks guys !

Posted about 2 years ago

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Time Link to 00:38:03

Hi Steve-great series.

After isoing the fish IP with Q7o and flopping top pair on QJ4tt, when the fish donks into us, you state we can raise and get it in due to the stack: pot ratio (he's 1/2 stacked pre) and the board texture. I know there are no absolutes in poker, but can you give an estimate where you would draw the line to raise-get it in vs another line re. stack: pot ratio with TPNK on a moderately coordinated board? For instance, if we are 100BB deep here, I assume you're taking a different line, so what about 75BB? Vs this player 100BB deep, what's the optimal line when he donks out? raise/fold or flat call and re-eval the turn?

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