Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by tubasteve (Micro/Small Stakes)

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Great, been waiting since last week

nh tuba, great content!
I was wondering, does your road to robusto end at episode 8?
or will you be making 100 nl videos soon?

Hey Steve,

In regards to your discussion about 3betting, doesn't that go directly against you and baluga's "Coaching Tree" series? In that series you advocate not 3betting hands like AQ, AJ because we fold out hands that we dominate and we'll get 4bet jammed on more often that we'll be called.

3betting AQ at microstakes seems like a spot where you're making the guys fold AJ and worse, but only continue with AK+ so the hand you 3bet might aswell be 7-2...To quote baluga anyway.

Oh, posted this before your rant. Playing against the typical tagfish do you really think that they call 3bets more often than 4betting?

This video on wmv is only 75mb,I think last weeks was 256mb. Is the quality better this episode or did u compress this time. Just wondering because I was messing w/ camtasia and the files came out enormous and just wanted to know if I have it on too high of quality setting or do I need to compress. Thanks Tubes

Hey Steve,

In regards to your discussion about 3betting, doesn't that go directly against you and baluga's "Coaching Tree" series? In that series you advocate not 3betting hands like AQ, AJ because we fold out hands that we dominate and we'll get 4bet jammed on more often that we'll be called.

3betting AQ at microstakes seems like a spot where you're making the guys fold AJ and worse, but only continue with AK+ so the hand you 3bet might aswell be 7-2...To quote baluga anyway.

Oh, posted this before your rant. Playing against the typical tagfish do you really think that they call 3bets more often than 4betting?

I'm not trying to speak for Tuba, but I think you'll find that one of the biggest leaks in the micros is calling 3bs too much. Therefore, we can gladly 3b AQ and expect to get called by many hands like AJ or SCs. I know I had that leak when I was in the micros. So I think the thought process that people are 4b/folding to 3bs is pretty inaccurate in the micros. Of course it can happen, but I would say that you can get a ton of value 3b against the many, many players that will flat 3bs IP AND OOP and then play fit/fold postflop.

This video on wmv is only 75mb,I think last weeks was 256mb. Is the quality better this episode or did u compress this time. Just wondering because I was messing w/ camtasia and the files came out enormous and just wanted to know if I have it on too high of quality setting or do I need to compress. Thanks Tubes

paging rusty...

Hey Steve,

In regards to your discussion about 3betting, doesn't that go directly against you and baluga's "Coaching Tree" series? In that series you advocate not 3betting hands like AQ, AJ because we fold out hands that we dominate and we'll get 4bet jammed on more often that we'll be called.

3betting AQ at microstakes seems like a spot where you're making the guys fold AJ and worse, but only continue with AK+ so the hand you 3bet might aswell be 7-2...To quote baluga anyway.

Oh, posted this before your rant. Playing against the typical tagfish do you really think that they call 3bets more often than 4betting?

Well one of the great things about poker is the game isn't solved. I've talked to a few people and come to the conclusion that 3-betting >>>> flatting those hands.

Watch NoahSD's 5-10 video for a bit more explanation. Besides, Baluga loves big cards...

nh tuba, great content!
I was wondering, does your road to robusto end at episode 8?
or will you be making 100 nl videos soon?

it ends at ep 8 for now...

Well one of the great things about poker is the game isn't solved. I've talked to a few people and come to the conclusion that 3-betting >>>> flatting those hands.

Watch NoahSD's 5-10 video for a bit more explanation. Besides, Baluga loves big cards...

Hey Again,

I agree with you that 3betting is superior against SOME villains. I feel like you're generalising NL50 players here by saying 3betting >>>>> flatting as a general statement.

Against the typical 60/5 fish 3bet anything for value, but against your standard 18/15 tagfish, they are just not going to show up with worse should they decide to call a 3bet. Can we outplay them postflop...yes, but couldn't we have done that with 7-2?

it ends at ep 8 for now...

gogo season 2!!

Hey Again,

I agree with you that 3betting is superior against SOME villains. I feel like you're generalising NL50 players here by saying 3betting >>>>> flatting as a general statement.

Against the typical 60/5 fish 3bet anything for value, but against your standard 18/15 tagfish, they are just not going to show up with worse should they decide to call a 3bet. Can we outplay them postflop...yes, but couldn't we have done that with 7-2?

respectfully disagree, i think you're giving 50nlers way too much credit. ive coached plenty of 50nlers that don't fold to 3-bets.

furthermore as i attempted to illustrate with teh AQ hand, i dont really care if i have < 50% equity when called because with the initiative i'm going to make money.

Just moved up to 50 NL along with this video and most of the tables are made up of at least 8 tabling multi tablers (or thats my impression at least). Considering that, how important is creating image at 50nl?

Just moved up to 50 NL along with this video and most of the tables are made up of at least 8 tabling multi tablers (or thats my impression at least). Considering that, how important is creating image at 50nl?

i got called down by AQ high during that session by a nit, so i think it matters more than you'd expect. and even if it doesnt matter a ton, playing laggy still allows you to pick up all the pots they aren't fighting for. win-win.

also, this is probably more important than the beginning of my post, but you really ought to be able to find good 50nl tables without any trouble. what site do you play on?

FT, but I guess you gotta play there during the american evening~~!

paging rusty...

This weeks is like 78mB and last week was 115mB. We don't compress at all and the video recording size is based on number of tables, action, and resolution of the recording.

So if you are recording a live session of 6 tables then it will naturally be bigger than a live version of 2 tables cause there is more movement in the video. Same can be said for doing a live play video, versus doing a video review where you pause the video. The more the screen itself is paused or "still" the smaller file you will output.

-Rusty

respectfully disagree, i think you're giving 50nlers way too much credit. ive coached plenty of 50nlers that don't fold to 3-bets.

furthermore as i attempted to illustrate with teh AQ hand, i dont really care if i have < 50% equity when called because with the initiative i'm going to make money.

Yeah i understand where you are coming from, but the argument "I'm going to be making money" is not the central point in my question, the question is...is there more value in calling with a hand like AQs because it allows us to dominate him when he shows up with hands like A10, AJ or possibly KQ, KJ?

I guess if the villain defends crap like A10+ and QJ+ we dont really care either way, but that's not my observation whatsoever.

Yeah i understand where you are coming from, but the argument "I'm going to be making money" is not the central point in my question, the question is...is there more value in calling with a hand like AQs because it allows us to dominate him when he shows up with hands like A10, AJ or possibly KQ, KJ?

I guess if the villain defends crap like A10+ and QJ+ we dont really care either way, but that's not my observation whatsoever.

The answer to this is no, its usually not more profitable, at least not against late position raisers. Its too bad I wasn't able to cover more hands in the video b/c I actually did flat KQo from the SB vs a tighter player that session.

Yeah i understand where you are coming from, but the argument "I'm going to be making money" is not the central point in my question, the question is...is there more value in calling with a hand like AQs because it allows us to dominate him when he shows up with hands like A10, AJ or possibly KQ, KJ?

I guess if the villain defends crap like A10+ and QJ+ we dont really care either way, but that's not my observation whatsoever.

I used to be on the "flat these hands to keep his dominated hands in his range" camp.

In fact I once posted in one of NoahSD's video threads about a spot like that and he really opened my eyes.

It's all about long term profitability. In the long run you'll make more money 3betting AQ vs pretty much any BTN opener (whatever his skilllevel/style might be) than by flatting. Vs certain types of villains you'll make money due to fold equity, vs other types you'll make money due to their super weak calling range and vs other's you'll make money vs their light 4betting range by 5bet shipping.

However, flatting here vs a competent player, while it is certainly true that you'll keep his entire AX range in there (which should be A2o+ anyway) will only get you so far. First you'll have to hit to truly take advantage of the domination factor and all those times that you dont, you'll play no initiative, no position poker. To make these spots profitable you'll often ahve to semibluff c/r your 6 out draw on board textures that are "good" for a move like that. However a competent player's BTN opening range will be so wide that the general concept of "board xyz hits my calling range better than his raising range" no longer applies, since his BTN opening range consits of as many small pairs and suited connectors as you are willing to call from OOP (if not more)

Let me clarify that: You flatcall an UTG TAG's open from the BTN with 22. You're HU on the flop which comes down 874 tt. Your read is that he cbets too much. He cbets, you raise, he folds. You are completely bluffing here but you can do so profitably because:

1) You know that he cbets too much

and...

2) (and that is the most important factor here) YOUR RANGE HITS THIS BOARD WAY STRONGER THAN HIS RANGE!!!


Again, that concept does not apply in BTN vs Blind scenarios where his range can hit pretty much any board reasonably hard. So you'll end up playing guessing games OOP with no initiative and that's what gets a lot of people into constant trouble.

It's all about long term profitability. In the long run you'll make more money 3betting AQ vs pretty much any BTN opener (whatever his skilllevel/style might be) than by flatting.

Since I'm not a native speaker but I always want to be as correct in my spelling as possible here's my question to all you native speakers out there:

Skilllevel

Are we really gonna spell that with three "L" or do we use two "L" instead?

Or do we just put a dash in between (skill-level)?

Since I'm not a native speaker but I always want to be as correct in my spelling as possible here's my question to all you native speakers out there:

Skilllevel

Are we really gonna spell that with three "L" or do we use two "L" instead?

Or do we just put a dash in between (skill-level)?

Skill level is just two words.

Also, excellent post.

lol thanks and thanks

Again, that concept does not apply in BTN vs Blind scenarios where his range can hit pretty much any board reasonably hard. So you'll end up playing guessing games OOP with no initiative and that's what gets a lot of people into constant trouble.

Even though the BTN has a wide range and could potentially hit the board as well the fact is that our perceived range includes a higher % of hands that could hit that particular flop while his range contains a much smaller %.

A wide range rarely hits the board reasonably hard.

A wide range rarely hits the board reasonably hard.

A wide range is weaker by nature (the way less cool offshoot of naughty by nature), but our range by flatting in the SB is inherently weak. Therefore it's weak range out of position without initiative vs. wide range in position with initiative. Not a good position to be in imo.

A wide range is weaker by nature (the way less cool offshoot of naughty by nature), but our range by flatting in the SB is inherently weak. Therefore it's weak range out of position without initiative vs. wide range in position with initiative. Not a good position to be in imo.

So you are implying that we should rarely defend the blinds?

So you are implying that we should rarely defend the blinds?

This whole concept of defending blinds is the best thing ever created. I see so many people so obsessed with defending their blinds that the make massively -EV decisions EVERY time. Not saying this is you Boglord, but sooooo many live players flat in the blinds bc "you aint stealin my blinds!" I owe a lot of $ to the guy who coined that phrase.

As for this discussion, IMO you are far better off playing a 3b/fold game from the blinds w/ a few exceptions.

Adding to the discussion, say CO opens and we know he has a wide range for doing so, are we still 3betting on the button? I'm talking about AJ+ and 88+

So you are implying that we should rarely defend the blinds?

What exactly is it you are "defending"? Like TSB said, the guy who coined that phrase "defending the blinds" must have been a genius. The blinds are dead money. You can only defend what rightfully belongs to you, the blinds however do not. All you are doing when "defending your blinds" is playing a hand OOP without initiative. You could also just limp/call UTG. Pretty much the same thing.

Adding to the discussion, say CO opens and we know he has a wide range for doing so, are we still 3betting on the button? I'm talking about AJ+ and 88+

I'm trying hard not to reply with a one liner here, but I don't really know how.

It depends.

Adding to the discussion, say CO opens and we know he has a wide range for doing so, are we still 3betting on the button? I'm talking about AJ+ and 88+

This is completely dependent on how the CO reacts to 3bs. In what situations do you think we should 3b AJ and when should we flat?

This is completely dependent on how the CO reacts to 3bs. In what situations do you think we should 3b AJ and when should we flat?

I would 3bet if i had reason to believe he would defend to 3bets light, if he is a 4bet/fold kind of player i would just flat preflop.

Right?

I would 3bet if i had reason to believe he would defend to 3bets light, if he is a 4bet/fold kind of player i would just flat preflop.

Right?

Exactly Just keep adapting your play to your opponent's tendencies and you'll be set!

So you are implying that we should rarely defend the blinds?

I would think 'defending' the blinds is relative to the villain and the way you approach attacking them. For instance, if they cbet far too much, then we call and c/r a ton against them. If they play 4b or fold, we 3bet a lot of bluff hands and for value. If they call too many 3bets, we can widen our 3betting range. If they get really aggro to being c/r, we can flat big hands to induce. If they play superstraightforward (awesome word), then we can c/c flop with 1pr and c/f turn to further aggression or check down marginal hands.

etc etc etc

But yeah, until you have a dynamic / read, what are you defending? Consider how often a defend has to work to be profitable, saying you call a pot size open OOP and are then facing a cbet OOP, where you might call again but it sucks when they bet turn - now you have put ~7-10bbs into a pot to defend 0.5/1bb, OOP, with a likely marginal hand. Even if you think you have an edge on the PFR, doesn't stop them shitting on you when you are OOP.

I would 3bet if i had reason to believe he would defend to 3bets light, if he is a 4bet/fold kind of player i would just flat preflop.

Right?

We can also widen our 3bet bluffing range here and also consider flexing amount vs this player if we think he won't adapt.

If a players has inelastic calling ranges for 3bets, then we should 3bet more with big hands and small with bluffs, if they don't adapt. If someone always calls with Axs, then we should be bumping the pot up really big PF with our value hands etc

Tuba - can you give advice on how to increase / improve your aggression when playing? I seem to hovering around 2.0 AF / 27% Aq, which, judging by others stats, seems to be on the low side.

Maybe this needs a new thread, so as not to derail the video thread but I would be really interested in how you help your students / others look for ways to increase their aggression.

Tuba - can you give advice on how to increase / improve your aggression when playing? I seem to hovering around 2.0 AF / 27% Aq, which, judging by others stats, seems to be on the low side.

Maybe this needs a new thread, so as not to derail the video thread but I would be really interested in how you help your students / others look for ways to increase their aggression.

I would look to isolate limpers more, pick good spots to 2nd barrel, and valuebet thinner. This is easier said than done, but those are just some things that came to mind if you feel you aren't being aggressive enough.

This weeks is like 78mB and last week was 115mB. We don't compress at all and the video recording size is based on number of tables, action, and resolution of the recording.

So if you are recording a live session of 6 tables then it will naturally be bigger than a live version of 2 tables cause there is more movement in the video. Same can be said for doing a live play video, versus doing a video review where you pause the video. The more the screen itself is paused or "still" the smaller file you will output.

-Rusty

Thank u Rusty that clears up the confusion

Let me suggest some of the reads and dynamics we should base our line with AQ on:

I assume we are 100bb deep.

Always 3-bet AQ:

- If you expect villain's 4-bet range to contain a lot of bluffs
- If you expect villain to call 3-bets with a wide range

Call with AQs (some AQo):

- if villain is c-betting a lot and is folding to a lot of 3-bets
- if villain is aggro postflop in single raised pots and you want to expand your value range and strenghten bluff catching range.
- if villain is not c-betting a lot but is reacting poorly to donk bets.

When 3-betting AQ it is very important that we have a good idea about villain's 4-bet range.

With AQ both calling and 3-betting is fine if it is done for the right reasons.

New DC member and am loving this series so far (recently moved from 25nl down to 10nl myself)...can't wait to get to this episode!

Let me suggest some of reads and dynamics we should base our line with AQ on:

I assume we are 100bb deep.

Always 3-bet AQ:

- If you expect villain's 4-bet range to contain a lot of bluffs
- If you expect villain to call 3-bets with a wide range

Call with AQs (some AQo):

- if villain is c-betting a lot and is folding to a lot of 3-bets
- if villain is aggro postflop in single raised pots and you want to expand your value range and strenghten bluff catching range.
- if villain is not c-betting a lot but is reacting poorly to donk bets.

When 3-betting AQ it is very important that we have a good idea about villain's 4-bet range.

With AQ both calling and 3-betting is fine if it is done for the right reasons.

If we just fold it, we don't have to worry about all that confusing and hard to think about stuff. In fact, we should just fold every hand in the blinds to avoid this stuff. Actually, we should just fold every hand in all positions. This will maximize our avoiding tough spots equity. Then we can just focus on religion.....or science.....or religion....or science.....AHhhhh! Pokerz be hard!

Sorry, I'm bored.

If we just fold it, we don't have to worry about all that confusing and hard to think about stuff. In fact, we should just fold every hand in the blinds to avoid this stuff. Actually, we should just fold every hand in all positions. This will maximize our avoiding tough spots equity. Then we can just focus on religion.....or science.....or religion....or science.....AHhhhh! Pokerz be hard!

Sorry, I'm bored.

It's friday!

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I would look to isolate limpers more, pick good spots to 2nd barrel, and valuebet thinner. This is easier said than done, but those are just some things that came to mind if you feel you aren't being aggressive enough.

In general terms, I *think* I am doing this but feel like my aggression factor/% is still on the low side. I actually think, looking through the available information and from watching videos, that I am not value betting enough and often enough, on all streets.

This would go hand in hand with hand reading skills (lol), I would think, being able to place the opponent on an accurate enough range to bet/fold more and get thinner (not necessarily thin) value. The hand in the video, where tuba has KTo on KJ5tt (~43mins in) and instantly starts looking to value bet against a range - I would be tempted to check here and end up maybe c/c one street with 2 players / wet board / somewhat marginal top pair etc. Seems as though this was an easy bet spot for tuba, while I might check and end up being slightly lost.

Maybe this needs a theory post on increasing aggression, moving from tagfish to thinking tag or something, from, ohhh, I dunno, maybe tuba or improva or a tecmo......

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I really, really like a squeeze here.

Jesus man, fell asleep during that KT hand...

hey guys, check out tomorrows video for the season finale! it seems ratings were a bit low for this vid, which i'll take responsibility for, but i think you'll all be pleased come tomorrow!

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Sorry, just had to add this here