tinobi
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Hey guys..just finished the first half of the video and want to leave a comment before i forgot it.
This guy was openraising a fair amount on the button but folding to a 3bet most of the time. So my plan would be stop 3betting my strong hands (like AQ, AK etc.) and flat them and 3bet suited trash f.e.
I would do that with the intention of leading good flops because he checks back so much. I would adjust from there (if he folds to my donks a ton i would lead air more often and start c/r with my stronger hand if he starts betting again once i check instead of donking).
So what do u think about the flat big hands pre/ lead flops line against this player?
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Onraad
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Hey guys..just finished the first half of the video and want to leave a comment before i forgot it.
This guy was openraising a fair amount on the button but folding to a 3bet most of the time. So my plan would be stop 3betting my strong hands (like AQ, AK etc.) and flat them and 3bet suited trash f.e.
I would do that with the intention of leading good flops because he checks back so much. I would adjust from there (if he folds to my donks a ton i would lead air more often and start c/r with my stronger hand if he starts betting again once i check instead of donking).
So what do u think about the flat big hands pre/ lead flops line against this player?
I haven't watched the video yet, but I can say I do like flatting big hands out of the big blind, but I also like to check/raise them when I hit. Say you flat AK and flop A27r I like to check/raise. I also like leading in spots where my perceived hand range hit that flop.
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andymckenzie
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huds:
why do you use vpip and pfr in a hu match? how does this help you?
why dont you use SBvpip and BBvpipc instead of general Vpip and steal% and coldcall% for the positional aggresion?
Hey, SBvpip and BBvpip are the last two stats on the top row. For positional aggression the 3 bet stat is bottom left. Agreed Vpip and pfr are not as useful as the positional stats I guess everyone just has their own preferences when it comes to huds. Sorry if mine confuses you If you want to know any of the other stats just ask.
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andymckenzie
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please explain why the Q river that pairs top pair on ck/ck - b/c action is a bad card for him to bluff?
i mean he can rep it pretty well and our hand, by not beting the flop, doesnt seems to have a lots of queens.
What you say is true, but for combination reasons theres less Qx hands in either of our ranges. Also his non Q two pairs just got counterfeited which on the river means his value betting range is Qx (maybe KJ if he doesn't 3 bet it) and better. So the reason its not a great card for him to bluff is that even though he can represent the queen specifically, he can't represent a wide range of value hands.
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andymckenzie
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seeing villains holecards is really anoying. whats the use of it?
I think its pretty interesting and allows to see how our analysis of his range is and makes for more discussion if you consider how he played his hand. Its a bit crude but if you would prefer not to see them, how about placing an "always on top" window over his cards?
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andymckenzie
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Hey guys..just finished the first half of the video and want to leave a comment before i forgot it.
This guy was openraising a fair amount on the button but folding to a 3bet most of the time. So my plan would be stop 3betting my strong hands (like AQ, AK etc.) and flat them and 3bet suited trash f.e.
I would do that with the intention of leading good flops because he checks back so much. I would adjust from there (if he folds to my donks a ton i would lead air more often and start c/r with my stronger hand if he starts betting again once i check instead of donking).
So what do u think about the flat big hands pre/ lead flops line against this player?
Personally I don't do this too often with AK or AQ as its pretty hard to play OOP with ace high/build a big pot when you hit if he's not c betting. I also like to have AK/AQ in my 5 bet shoving range when I'm 3 betting a lot.
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tinobi
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Personally I don't do this too often with AK or AQ as its pretty hard to play OOP with ace high/build a big pot when you hit if he's not c betting. I also like to have AK/AQ in my 5 bet shoving range when I'm 3 betting a lot.
He´s folding to all ur 3bets (nearly 80%) - so why wasting ur big hands. And if u hit u can lead or lead/3bet. I think flatting has a much higher EV versus this typ of player until he sees u flatting big hands and starts adjusting.
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andymckenzie
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He´s folding to all ur 3bets (nearly 80%) - so why wasting ur big hands. And if u hit u can lead or lead/3bet. I think flatting has a much higher EV versus this typ of player until he sees u flatting big hands and starts adjusting.
Yeah don't get me wrong I agree its a good strategy if you think he has a static 80% fold to 3 bet range and no ability to adjust. But vs glpmurray who is an aggressive winning regular he doesn't strike me as the type of player who is actually folding to that many 3 bets when we are 3 betting a lot (you can actually see in the video he just had the bottom of his opening range when we 3 bet). So I expect him to adjust by 1. widening 4 betting range/4 bet bluffing in which case 3 betting ak is much more +ev or by starting to defend more with dominated hands which also works for us.
But yeah I agree there are definetely situations where its appropriate, although I obviously prefer aa/kk to do it with.
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TemFriendPat
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Good video. Thanks guys. Yes, maybe not so many "interesting" spots. But I think that live play has a value in and of itself ie getting to see how we can / should cope with the usual ups and downs and randomness of HU play, seeing match dynamics etc.
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Yojimgari
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Excellent video! It was nice to see the hole cards and see what a really great player does with his hands. This is one of the best videos I've seen on DC.
I saw him 3bet light with these hands:
QJs, JTs, medium suited connectors/1-gappers, J8s, 32s, A4s, K7s, 66 and some worse pairs.
I think that QJs/JTs have good value to call with preflop, and if you get 4bet you lose the value of those hands in a way. Plus when you hit top pair on the flop you are often in a bad spot. Maybe he should just call with these hands?
The medium suited connectors/1-gappers seem good, J8s, and K7s seem good to 3bet light with.
I'm not sure if I'd 3bet light with 32s because it may not hit enough straight draws on the flop?
I noticed the light 3bets with the small pairs but are you sure he can't just value call with those hands?
A4s is interesting that he 3bet light with. I may have to start adding that hand to my light 3betting range. Would it be better off in our calling range though?
Gman and Tony, I'm really interested right now in thinking about what hands you can 3bet light with. What hands in his light 3betting range do you think he should 3bet with? Thanks, Yojimgari
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danndann1
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I noticed the light 3bets with the small pairs but are you sure he can't just value call with those hands?
yeah, im kinda curious about that too, i really cant see the reason why we shouldn just setmine with those.
gman, can you approach this pls?
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andymckenzie
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Hey guys thanks for the comments. Regarding 3 betting small pocket pairs - I was confused/curious about this as well so I brought it up with Garrett and he covers it in episode 8.
To Yojimari, I'm not too big a fan of QJ and J10 3 betting without good reason/reads, basically for the reasons you state. I haven't spoken to my opponent about this but I would assume he 3 bet these hands and 32s based mostly on game flow. In the 1st episode and I think in the dogisheadsup series, Gman goes into depth about 3 betting light. His general approach is to 3 bet light with hands that aren't trash but are at the borderline of your preflop calling range. I probably can't explain it as well as if you check out those episodes. Hope that helps, Tony.
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i dont understand that raise with QJ. I dont think we can represent so mutch in that spot. Why do you raise there? When we have a strong made Hand here like 55,22 or maybe A5s we would just peel on the flop. Of course we have some Ax Hands in our 3bet calling range too but why should we ever raise them on the flop? For me that raise looks allways like pure air.
Or maybe you do that just because you can not rep so mutch there because you think that Villian knows that you can not rep so mutch there and never expects you to raise with pure air there. Can you guys explain me that a litle bit.
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