Poker Video: Pot-Limit Omaha by fslexcduck (Mid Stakes)

Isn't he spectacularly underrolled for $2/$4 PLO?

Isn't he spectacularly underrolled for $2/$4 PLO?

Not spectaculary, but yes, I don't have the bankroll to play those limits !

But I wanted to try it for the series (the goal was to take a student and make him climb the limits). I basically allow myself to risk what I've won playing plo 100 and 200 since the start of the series, and maybe to risk 1-2 more buy-ins. After that, I'll stop if I happen to lose that much.

So no risk for my bankroll, but I highly recommend not to play at limits in which you don't have at least 50 full buy ins, and that's my general BR management rule in PLO.

bottom set does not have anything near 97% in equity on the Q92r flop vs top pair and overs.
board: Qs9h2c
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
2s2h6c6d 82.86% 497,153 0
AcKcQd* 17.14% 102,847 0
Against pure draws you have like 65/35 and on more drawy boards where you flop bottom set its like a coinflip. In adition, small percentage of the time when you get huge action on such a dry board other person WILL have QQxx and 99xx wich drasticly offset your equity in times when they dont have that.
So all in all its great news to flop bottom set in 3bet pots and its profitable to play double baby pairs like that, but its not something out of ordinary like it sounded in a vid.

i would like to add that 97 or 82 percent is not the point because your equity is still trough the roof vs that hand but when you think in terms of ranges - top pair + overs on that board is big but not major part of their getting in range. That makes it more like 65/35 rather than 82/18 wich ofcourse is still great altho not that great like 97/3

Hello,

Can you please give us the time link of the hand you're talking about ?

That would make it much easier for me to answer you...

Thanks in advance !

Yeah you're of course right. Bottom set doesn't even have 97% equity against top pair in hold'em most of the time. I think I was using a bit of hyperbole there, which I should definitely be more careful about. The basic gist of it is it's a great situation.

I disagree though that on a Q62 or K74 board will you get it in as only 65% versus their range. There just aren't a lot of huge hands they can have in those types of situations and you're going to be a very big favorite much more often than you think.

Yeah you're of course right. Bottom set doesn't even have 97% equity against top pair in hold'em most of the time. I think I was using a bit of hyperbole there, which I should definitely be more careful about. The basic gist of it is it's a great situation.

I disagree though that on a Q62 or K74 board will you get it in as only 65% versus their range. There just aren't a lot of huge hands they can have in those types of situations and you're going to be a very big favorite much more often than you think.

I think the logic only applies to 3 bet pots where people will stack off a lot lighter.
Holding bottom set in a single raised pot on K74, I think we really need to weigh mid/top set more heavily in villain's range.

I think the logic only applies to 3 bet pots where people will stack off a lot lighter.
Holding bottom set in a single raised pot on K74, I think we really need to weigh mid/top set more heavily in villain's range.

Yeah, we're talking about 3bet pots... or at least, I was

Time Link to 00:50:12

hehe funny - you called my hand AJJK with diamonds )

At around 56min you minraise UTG with QJT7ds and when button pots it you said that you should isolate him and then you pot it again, is that because he's a shortstack or do you want to do that vs 100bb stacks aswell? If so, against what types of opponents would that be?

Sorry if you've talked about this in a previous episode, haven't watched all of them yet, if so please tell me in what episode you did... Thanks

I disagree though that on a Q62 or K74 board will you get it in as only 65% versus their range.

Agreed completely. However Q62r and K74r flops are as dry as they can get. And its hard to flop a set AND get flop this dry. In actual example flop was Q92 wich is little bit different, now since we were talking hypteticly why its good to 3bet double baby pairs what do you do on KJ2dd flop? You get it in ofcourse but rarely will have more than 65% vs their range, because KK and JJ is very feasible. Top two plus gutshots as well. FD + OE... wraps... all those hands will get in with you on flop, but none of those you actually crush. I mean sure you crush naked KJ and stubborn AK but thats about it. Decent players wont be too keen on shiping on this wet flop with bottom two. Not to mention that its hard for decent players to wake up in 3bet pots with K2 or J2 in their hands.

Now one pair hands will likely to flat you, true, and this goes right in to your bank account, but on any AQT9 or diamond turn you will be not too happy not only because you dont have 3d nuts anymore, but also because it is not likely you will get significant action from hands you dominate. And if you are OOP you might even have to fold it.

At around 56min you minraise UTG with QJT7ds and when button pots it you said that you should isolate him and then you pot it again, is that because he's a shortstack or do you want to do that vs 100bb stacks aswell? If so, against what types of opponents would that be?

Sorry if you've talked about this in a previous episode, haven't watched all of them yet, if so please tell me in what episode you did... Thanks

I don't remember the exact episode, but it's somewhat of a running theme throughout the earlier episodes. You should definitely watch all of them

Anyway in this case we do it because there's enough dead money in the pot to justify it, and the reraiser is a short stack so you don't risk too much of your stack. The more money the reraiser has, the more money you put in at a 1:1 ratio getting likely less than 50% on your money. So the dead money has to justify it. This case is probably closer since it was only an initial reraise, but when you pot it and there are two calls, this play becomes really standard a lot of the time. Because we are OOP, it's even better to do it since calling will put us in an awkward spot where we'll have to act first in a huge bloated pot if there are multiple callers.