Habboot
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Can you use like a reverse line of thought in the open calling 3bet spot so that you can do it with bluffy hands and expect your oponent to be fairly honest with his bets against your "very strong range" and take away some pots when he shows weakness?? Or is that line a little to wiered and -EV?
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Can you use like a reverse line of thought in the open calling 3bet spot so that you can do it with bluffy hands and expect your oponent to be fairly honest with his bets against your "very strong range" and take away some pots when he shows weakness?? Or is that line a little to wiered and -EV?
I would be dishonest if I said that the thought hasn't crossed my mind, but I haven't tried it or even formulated a strategy as far what hands would be best for it. In my mind it could work, but I don't know if it will work often enough given the risk reward ratio. You're going to be doing something like risking 20 to win 13 (calling the 3-bet and hoping that he c/f's the flop to a bet) which means it would have to work about ~60%. That seems a little optimistic to me.
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I really like your delayed c-bet on table 3....on the QT6 board with your Ax....what's the play if you bet the turn and he calls....I think if the river bricks off we can fire again because villain may have possibly called with a draw, gutter or a weaker pair....certainly some villains would lead the turn a majority of the time if they picked up a flush draw or had a draw on the flop...but that's not always the case..... What do you think of betting the river if he calls the turn?
-if villain calls the turn bet, what river cards do you think would be bad to bluff the river...I think possibly a, J, 9 or K might be bad to bluff on again is it may pair him up, maybe make some 2 pair or fill in a draw... I think a 2 of diamonds may not be so good to barrel the river either.
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We wanted to open the 67s to target Jimmy B cool on Table 4....I know we should be targeting the loose players in the blinds with our opens...so for instance, we'd want to open KTo for value because of Jimmy B cool being in the blinds, however should we not fear opening offsuit dominated hands like A9, QJo etc in the earlier positions just for the fact that the amount of players behind us equals a high enough probability that we will be flat called by a hand that dominates us, or are we just going to be aware of that when the flop comes and not get to entangled if a tag flats behind us?
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PutMyRobeOnRITE
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Comment with the AK hand on table one.....a good thing I've learned from Threads is to not always go batty with AK if we feel we can't 4 bet for value or villain won't bluff if we 4-bet...and just ask ourselves if we have enough equity to make the call pre-flop, in or out of position.
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Rodney Mullen
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I really like your delayed c-bet on table 3....on the QT6 board with your Ax....what's the play if you bet the turn and he calls....I think if the river bricks off we can fire again because villain may have possibly called with a draw, gutter or a weaker pair....certainly some villains would lead the turn a majority of the time if they picked up a flush draw or had a draw on the flop...but that's not always the case..... What do you think of betting the river if he calls the turn?
-if villain calls the turn bet, what river cards do you think would be bad to bluff the river...I think possibly a, J, 9 or K might be bad to bluff on again is it may pair him up, maybe make some 2 pair or fill in a draw... I think a 2 of diamonds may not be so good to barrel the river either.
If he calls the turn I am done with the hand. I have some showdown value in case he is on a draw so I have no need to bluff him off of his missed draws.
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PutMyRobeOnRITE
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If he calls the turn I am done with the hand. I have some showdown value in case he is on a draw so I have no need to bluff him off of his missed draws.
Ha, yeah, good point about the SD value, didn't think of that :-)
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I really like your delayed c-bet on table 3....on the QT6 board with your Ax....what's the play if you bet the turn and he calls....I think if the river bricks off we can fire again because villain may have possibly called with a draw, gutter or a weaker pair....certainly some villains would lead the turn a majority of the time if they picked up a flush draw or had a draw on the flop...but that's not always the case..... What do you think of betting the river if he calls the turn?
-if villain calls the turn bet, what river cards do you think would be bad to bluff the river...I think possibly a, J, 9 or K might be bad to bluff on again is it may pair him up, maybe make some 2 pair or fill in a draw... I think a 2 of diamonds may not be so good to barrel the river either.
I feel like if he checks back and calls he's more likely to be on something like a MP that he checked back that is now bluff catching. The question becomes will he calls twice with a bluff catcher hand. I tend to default to giving up there until I pick up a read to do otherwise.
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We wanted to open the 67s to target Jimmy B cool on Table 4....I know we should be targeting the loose players in the blinds with our opens...so for instance, we'd want to open KTo for value because of Jimmy B cool being in the blinds, however should we not fear opening offsuit dominated hands like A9, QJo etc in the earlier positions just for the fact that the amount of players behind us equals a high enough probability that we will be flat called by a hand that dominates us, or are we just going to be aware of that when the flop comes and not get to entangled if a tag flats behind us?
Sure, but I would work that out as we don't want to be opening stuff like J9o, Q9o, and what have you. KTo is good enough, imo. When a TAG calls us we just will have to deal with that, but Jimmy B cool will more than compensate for all the times a TAG calls us with something that dominates (he may 3-bet his dominating hands anyways) and happens to hit the flop the same time we do. Most of the time we both miss and we pick up the pot based purely on our perceived range being quite strong in EP/MP. Most TAGs won't mess with you EP/MP c-bets a lot.
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I feel like if he checks back and calls he's more likely to be on something like a MP that he checked back that is now bluff catching. The question becomes will he calls twice with a bluff catcher hand. I tend to default to giving up there until I pick up a read to do otherwise.
Ok, good point there, I have a lil' trouble formulating a range for villain there since I've been using the delayed c-bet line more...thx.
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PutMyRobeOnRITE
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Sure, but I would work that out as we don't want to be opening stuff like J9o, Q9o, and what have you. KTo is good enough, imo. When a TAG calls us we just will have to deal with that, but Jimmy B cool will more than compensate for all the times a TAG calls us with something that dominates (he may 3-bet his dominating hands anyways) and happens to hit the flop the same time we do. Most of the time we both miss and we pick up the pot based purely on our perceived range being quite strong in EP/MP. Most TAGs won't mess with you EP/MP c-bets a lot.
That clears up my question pretty much, good point about the tags not messing with our EP/MP c-bets and the fact they will miss too...thx.
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