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DJ Sensei and his fellowship of Full Ring NL players review more hands in the replayer with a focus this week on strong draw hands.
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awesome episode! theres barely any full ring content on drawing hands elsewhere
awesome episode! theres barely any full ring content on drawing hands elsewhere
There's going to be another full episode about playing draws next week, enjoy!
Enjoying the videos. I like that you mix up the stakes. Keem 'em coming. I stack off less after watching these, and that is always nice..
Time Link to 00:45:05
WHAT KIND OF Horse ___ Raise is this? DJ sensei send this guy down to 4 tabling 2nl for a few weeks to discipline him for this. Jeez
WHAT KIND OF Horse ___ Raise is this? DJ sensei send this guy down to 4 tabling 2nl for a few weeks to discipline him for this. Jeez
I know, I know. Pretty sure he's learned his lesson ![]()
ipod link not working - please fix
thanks
I can never remember how to do the timelink thing but timelink to about 33:30.
This is the hand where the Hero on the button has a flush draw and the strong read is that the Villain has a set on the flop.
I think the odds calculation is wrong. Dojo'ers conclude there needs to be another $60 go in the pot on the river to justify our odds but I think the answer is $90 since the strong assumption was the Nit always has a set so our flush outs need to dodge the 2 flush outs that give Villain a boat. Hence Hero has 7 outs not 9 or 15.9% for 1 card or 5.3 to 1 odds so Hero needs 5.3 x $36 in Pot = $190 less ~$100ish in the pot on Turn implies Hero needs $90 on extra on River from Villain.
I can never remember how to do the timelink thing but timelink to about 33:30.
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This is the hand where the Hero on the button has a flush draw and the strong read is that the Villain has a set on the flop.
I think the odds calculation is wrong. Dojo'ers conclude there needs to be another $60 go in the pot on the river to justify our odds but I think the answer is $90 since the strong assumption was the Nit always has a set so our flush outs need to dodge the 2 flush outs that give Villain a boat. Hence Hero has 7 outs not 9 or 15.9% for 1 card or 5.3 to 1 odds so Hero needs 5.3 x $36 in Pot = $190 less ~$100ish in the pot on Turn implies Hero needs $90 on extra on River from Villain.
Thanks for pointing that out. Those pesky pairing cards!
Time Link to 00:33:02
Does our nitty friend only bet a bit more than halfpot on a turn like this with a set or top 2? Is he afraid of the straight making 8 or does he not think about setting up stack sizes for the river? Maybe he's afraid of setting up a pot he can't get away from on the river if the flush comes in? This doesn't seem to be a very good bet from him if he has a super strong hand unless he thinks we are the type to jam turns on draws. There are so many draws to price here on that turn.
We are getting a great price on this turn but I think our implied odds aren't going to be there OOP.
I feel like if he's betting more he's more attached to the pot and we have more implied odds but then we are getting bad immediate odds. If he bets this small are we able to extract with 9c or jc. Also, 5c and 8c turns our hand into check call or bet fold hands imo. I like the give up on the turn here.
Time Link to 00:47:17
Here the villian bets out $5 and Hero flat calls. It is then asked if anyone would consider raising here to which noone agrees but merely states that some regs might take that as a sign that the hero is on a flush draw. Hopefully someone might be able to correct my thinking in this situation:
Wouldn't a raise be good for several reasons:
1) if the villain is just barreling here with a c-bet which is probably a majority of the time (having a J or over pairs being slight area of his range) it will allow you to take the pot down uncontested.
2) if he does have a hand good enough to call a raise it then pumps up the pot with two more streets to come to allowing you an easier opportunity to get his whole stack if you make your nut flush with this inflated pot.
3) If he calls and you don't make the flush on the turn, you still have the opportunity to have a free turn with him checking to you in position (since you raised on the flop) and allowing you to check or even barrel depending on what transpires on the turn.
flat calling allows him to barrel again on the turn provided a dry turn shows up in which case it puts you in a position to fold since another call would likely be a sign that you are chasing a flush and his bet size with the current pot wouldn't justify a call. You would have gained no more information on his hand range from the flop and wasted a great position with a good draw.
amirite?
Yeah I was surprised that threads said he would mostly call in that spot. My standard line would be to raise on the Flop. I think the reasons listed above are all very valid. I would probably stack off since the stack sizes are about 100bb and villain could be jamming with KK and QQ too. But basically I think I have so much Fold Equity by raising here (and pot equity in case he calls, which imo he wont do a lot oop). I take the same line with sets so I like to think it balances my range a bit when facing another reg.
I can understand that threads would call the Flop a lot if he also plays his sets this way. But overall I think raising the Flop and capitalizing on the Pot and Fold Equity is much better as a standard line.
Yeah I was surprised that threads said he would mostly call in that spot. My standard line would be to raise on the Flop. I think the reasons listed above are all very valid. I would probably stack off since the stack sizes are about 100bb and villain could be jamming with KK and QQ too. But basically I think I have so much Fold Equity by raising here (and pot equity in case he calls, which imo he wont do a lot oop). I take the same line with sets so I like to think it balances my range a bit when facing another reg.
I can understand that threads would call the Flop a lot if he also plays his sets this way. But overall I think raising the Flop and capitalizing on the Pot and Fold Equity is much better as a standard line.
It's been a year, but looking at this now I would mostly raise the flop in a vacuum. Absent any specific information this hand can going into our raising range. We should tend to semi-bluff with our very strong draws first, and this certainly fits in that category.
Still, how I feel the villain will play the turn could make a call a bit better. For example, say villain is extremely likely to 2-barrel the turn. It then makes more sense to call the flop and raise the turn. Say villain is extremely unlikely to barrel the turn, then it makes more sense to float and bet when he checks.
If it's against a villain that is strong I will do a little bit of both so that I have some nut flushes in my flop calling range, but I will mostly raise.
Hey thanks for that detailed reply threads, even though the videos over a year old now. Much appreciated!
Hey thanks for that detailed reply threads, even though the videos over a year old now. Much appreciated!
agreed!
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