Poker Video: Omaha/Omaha 8 by danzasmack (High Stakes)

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I also think this was a great bet Chuck. Wow I can't believe I didn't get a fold there.

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I'd 3-bet this pretty much always given his wide value range and range for wanting the other player out of the pot, and the fact that I think he'd have 3-bet with a lot of A3xx hands pre. You're freerolling against a lot of his range that seems like it'd jack up this flop, like a worse flush draw + bad made low type hand, but on the turn there are a lot of cards that you can't c/r, so I think there's a pretty big advantage to 3-betting here. No?

Rob

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I'd 3-bet this pretty much always given his wide value range and range for wanting the other player out of the pot, and the fact that I think he'd have 3-bet with a lot of A3xx hands pre. You're freerolling against a lot of his range that seems like it'd jack up this flop, like a worse flush draw + bad made low type hand, but on the turn there are a lot of cards that you can't c/r, so I think there's a pretty big advantage to 3-betting here. No?

Rob

I disagree.

I don't think the button is folding basically every when he cc's 2 on that flop. I think the fact that 1/2 the pot is locked up a high percentage of the time makes the flop a call.

Against A3**/A4**/A6**/34** I'm only a slight favorite equity-wise in the pot and I only included A6 because I wanted to account for the fact that he could be spewing a bit.

If he was incredi-bad and I thought would raise stuff like 99 on this flop I think it's an auto-3bet but most of his leaks are in calling too wide pf and overplaying some hi-only hands and calling down with bad lows. I think given my pf raise in the SB, once I bet out and get raised on this flop, my A5 low is going to be good @ a low frequency.

That being said we are in a good place with equity and I would have jammed this pot had I been in position. It's just the button's cc of 2 showed strength. In hindsight, a 3-bet would have been best but overall I prefer just calling here.

Also turn donk wins because he probably raises worse flushes and lol's assuming I have a low only. So not betting the turn is bad in retrospect.

Also guys - free coaching ITT!

I'm looking for a video 20-22min in length of you 2 tabling FLO8. I need 1 smaller stakes video (anything from .5/1 to 5/10) and 1 higher/mid stakes (obv anything above 5/10).

The video must be of good quality and no audio is required. You have to crop it ahead of time so no recording of whole desktop. Let me know if you have any questions. Recording guides are available here on DeucesCracked.

Hey Chuck I'm definitely interested in this, Do you just want us to PM you with the link?

I also think this was a great bet Chuck. Wow I can't believe I didn't get a fold there.

I think I'm really not liking a bet here, It just seems after the turn he has defined his hand as A4 so much that you're only betting to get 1/2 the pot.

I think I might like it better if you have any sort of high hand so that you at least have a chance of 3/4 him

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At what point does the hand on the right become not a c-bet for you? LIke no wheel cards? 4 players?

Hey Chuck I'm definitely interested in this, Do you just want us to PM you with the link?

Yup!

I think I'm really not liking a bet here, It just seems after the turn he has defined his hand as A4 so much that you're only betting to get 1/2 the pot.

I think I might like it better if you have any sort of high hand so that you at least have a chance of 3/4 him

The pot is so big though. I'm getting 1/6th of the pot here let's say. So it's costing me 5/6 of a bet, somtimes 3/4 into a 16bb pot.

At what point does the hand on the right become not a c-bet for you? LIke no wheel cards? 4 players?

4 players yes I'd check. It's close with 3 as is. TBH you could check here but @ 6-1 w/bdfd i think it's ok. It's a definite bet if the 9 is an 8 and you have a backdoor low but this is close.

Looking forward to your video!

Will you make one of your vids in this series a headsup vid please?

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I typed in any four cards aka "****" vs this steal range and we have 46.7% equity (more than your 41.0% equity for KQJx. If you want to make the argument that KQJx is a good defense based on playability and you won't have as much reverse implied odds as a hand like 34xx, okay, but making the argument that KQJx is a good defend based on pf equity is a pretty poor one in my opinion.

Will you make one of your vids in this series a headsup vid please?

Sure!

nice vid.

a question for you:

Since the preflop equities are so close most of the time and due to the nature of the splitpot-game why dont you approach O8 in a pretty agressive way to get a lot of folds (-> wich are scoops essentially) ?

Since if you look at a lot of 60/40 situations, or 75/25 even, of course you are a favorite, but maybe agression can win you some more than waiting for the variance to even in.

Problem with that is (especially on lower limits) you often play 6way on a SH table and are forced to nutpeddle.. kind of.

Definitely not nut peddle is any 6max game. Now, when the game is playing loose and you don't have opportunities to isolate, yes you have to be tight.

But think about PLO. Now, say you're playing NLHE and there's a raise to 3x and 4 cc's, you'd take a flop with a hand like 44 all day. In PLO? 448Q is a fold because the 44 is worthless. The reverse implied odds are there. With 4 card hands, someone is going to make the nuts pretty often. So you have to be a little tighter. Just like taking a flop with Q997 in a 6 way pot. You are going to hope to win 1/2 the pot 60% of the time! Of course our equity is 15% in a 5 way pot which would dictate taking a flop in the BB with a pfr, but it's the way the hand will play out postflop that will #1 - not allow ANY hand protection whatsoever and #2 - make it tough for us to actually get value.

Postflop fold are also a lot less common in O8 on 2 way flops. I like to be aggressive on 1 way flops (in particular the hi ones) like KQ9 etc. because as I state people play wayyyy too many hands that just make a low.

I'll get some 3 handed footage where the button is king.

Getting a lot of folds is awesome in PLO which goes right with your concept in theory. But people are playing so loose with so many bad hands that it's better to just find good spots to value bet.

That being said if you have some specific examples I'm very willing to rethink this.

I typed in any four cards aka "****" vs this steal range and we have 46.7% equity (more than your 41.0% equity for KQJx. If you want to make the argument that KQJx is a good defense based on playability and you won't have as much reverse implied odds as a hand like 34xx, okay, but making the argument that KQJx is a good defend based on pf equity is a pretty poor one in my opinion.

Yes you're right I rambled a little too much here. I'm looking @ scoop equity and win low % when checking my hands. The exercise was more a demonstration on PPT.