Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by KRANTZ (Mid Stakes)

Could you please return my grandpa's bike already?

It's been a while now..

this video was very good. funny to witness kinda the hierarchy of players, as the villain probably coaches like 1/2 players and jay really showed why hes a step above even good 10/20 players like insyderr. insyderr, youre hired? would be cool to see a 6m series from you.

Finally some new HU with Krantz!!! god dammit dc!

Good video, insyder keeps discussion going and brings up very good points himself. He could be an instructor . Looking forward to see new ep.

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beautiful turn and river play on table1, really beautiful!

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my thought process in this hand was that he would know I was never bluffing on this river w/my line.... so I was bluffing. I don't think he can have too many monsters after checking back the turn. I didn't anticipate that he would be turning a made hand into a bluff and jamming though. we talked after about what I would do with KK here, and I honestly think I would call (maybe mistakenly) and maybe it was timing but I really felt like he was going to fold but tanked down to the last second and shoved.

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my thought process here was that if I get checkraised on the turn I have no idea how to respond, I guess call turn and maybe fold river (but that might not be right either). I would normally barrel there, and I realize I had been barreling a lot, but I know he's capable and likes to c/c w/flush draws in spots like this (because he taught me to!) so I was just leveling myself thinking I don't get 3 streets from a 1 pair hand and I don't know how to respond vs. a c/r too well besides call turn/fold river (depending etc. it might be a call). another thing to consider and why I overbet here is that I think when I check back the turn I'm usually giving up or pot controlling some pair (which again might not be right HU) so I think he would normally bet his flushes and good pairs for value on the river b/c I should be checking back a lot of showdown hands, and when he checks I was thinking it's much less likely that I get c/r'd because I think he bets for value, so I decided to overbet to either induce a bluff from a pair that doesn't think it's good (because I folded last time and never have a monster when I check back the turn) or maybe get hero called.

my thought process in this hand was that he would know I was never bluffing on this river w/my line.... so I was bluffing. I don't think he can have too many monsters after checking back the turn. I didn't anticipate that he would be turning a made hand into a bluff and jamming though. we talked after about what I would do with KK here, and I honestly think I would call (maybe mistakenly) and maybe it was timing but I really felt like he was going to fold but tanked down to the last second and shoved.

this would have worked if i wasn't watching him obv :-)

it's a good bluff

my thought process here was that if I get checkraised on the turn I have no idea how to respond, I guess call turn and maybe fold river (but that might not be right either). I would normally barrel there, and I realize I had been barreling a lot, but I know he's capable and likes to c/c w/flush draws in spots like this (because he taught me to!) so I was just leveling myself thinking I don't get 3 streets from a 1 pair hand and I don't know how to respond vs. a c/r too well besides call turn/fold river (depending etc. it might be a call). another thing to consider and why I overbet here is that I think when I check back the turn I'm usually giving up or pot controlling some pair (which again might not be right HU) so I think he would normally bet his flushes and good pairs for value on the river b/c I should be checking back a lot of showdown hands, and when he checks I was thinking it's much less likely that I get c/r'd because I think he bets for value, so I decided to overbet to either induce a bluff from a pair that doesn't think it's good (because I folded last time and never have a monster when I check back the turn) or maybe get hero called.

i wouldn't worry too much about getting c/red here... it's going to happen so infrequently that you can comfortably fold especially since you aren't double barreling the turn much (another reason to bet since your range is polarized and wlad will call down weaker)

on the river you def leveled yourself into thinking you could induce a bluff here with an overbet...

very nice video.

excited to see 6max vids w insyderr + emil, pls continue.

nice vid!

hope we see insyderrr more often here at DC!

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Question about the 848r flop where insyderrr checks behind 62s, I thought the insight you gave here was very good but I stumbled upon 1 problem:
if we only check back low-to-medium showdown hands like 8x, 55, Kx, .., if the Ace turns our line is to check back again. In this story, the only part that will bet that turn actually is Ax that checked behind flop, for value. So don't we have to check back sometimes without showdown value to balance our delayed cbetting range?

my thought process in this hand was that he would know I was never bluffing on this river w/my line.... so I was bluffing. I don't think he can have too many monsters after checking back the turn. I didn't anticipate that he would be turning a made hand into a bluff and jamming though. we talked after about what I would do with KK here, and I honestly think I would call (maybe mistakenly) and maybe it was timing but I really felt like he was going to fold but tanked down to the last second and shoved.

This was such a sick hand (the J8s hand at about 30min). I've watched it 3 times and I still can't figure out what the hell is going on in that hand lol. Someone please help me.
So after Wlad checks back the turn, you decide to bluff because your line looks so weird he wouldn't expect you to bluff, right? But why the overbet?
So after FenderJaguar overbets, Krantz says something like you're never bluffing, then he says something about polarized ranges and that he likes Wlad's shove. But if his range is polarized and you think he's never bluffing, doesn't that mean he has a monster every time?
Just because his range is polarized doesn't mean shoving as a bluff is profitable (of course you know that, but that's what it sounded like).
The only better hands you can fold out by shoving are overpairs and wouldn't FenderJaguar bet the turn everytime with an overpair? Checking the turn with an overpair seems pretty bad to me. The only way I can see shoving being profitable is when FenderJaguar plays overpairs like this a lot of the time. Also, I don't see any reason why FenderJaguar can't have 7x himself.

But yeah, like I said I am completely lost in that spot, someone help me

This was such a sick hand (the J8s hand at about 30min). I've watched it 3 times and I still can't figure out what the hell is going on in that hand lol. Someone please help me.
So after Wlad checks back the turn, you decide to bluff because your line looks so weird he wouldn't expect you to bluff, right? But why the overbet?
So after FenderJaguar overbets, Krantz says something like you're never bluffing, then he says something about polarized ranges and that he likes Wlad's shove. But if his range is polarized and you think he's never bluffing, doesn't that mean he has a monster every time?
Just because his range is polarized doesn't mean shoving as a bluff is profitable (of course you know that, but that's what it sounded like).
The only better hands you can fold out by shoving are overpairs and wouldn't FenderJaguar bet the turn everytime with an overpair? Checking the turn with an overpair seems pretty bad to me. The only way I can see shoving being profitable is when FenderJaguar plays overpairs like this a lot of the time. Also, I don't see any reason why FenderJaguar can't have 7x himself.

But yeah, like I said I am completely lost in that spot, someone help me

This is a 3b pot, and I had been 3b'ing quite a bit b/c he was opening so many buttons and folding to a lot of 3b's. On this flop, I'm going to get called quite a bit, often by overcards, pairs, w/e. He's going to float a ton. When I have a hand like QQ+ it's a perfectly reasonable spot to check the turn considering his flop calling range, because he'll bet all floats and sometimes pairs or draws on the turn to protect their equity vs. AK etc. because basically, I'm always going to cbet AK (and when I say AK I just mean missed overcards really), but rarely double barrel it unless I have a flush draw or decide to triple barrel, which prob won't happen that often. So when I bet the flop my range is my entire 3b range for the most part, and when I check the turn I can have the whiffs still, whereas if I barrel the turn, a lot of those whiffs he can take out of my range. Once he checks back the turn he never has a monster b/c he would bet monsters on the turn to balance w/his floating and the board is drawy (though I prob don't check tons of draws) and we're deep so he wants to build the pot and stack the value hands I do check etc. etc. etc. lol. so at this point, I think he has a pair of some sort that wants to get to showdown. On the river I decide to bluff because it's a spot where he'll never expect me to bluff, so I thought I would almost always get credit for whiffing a c/r on the turn, as you can hear Krantz and Wlad discuss the situation, there's no way in hell I'm ever bluffing there (and that's why I'm bluffing there). As far as the shoving, they are saying that I didn't overbet to induce a jam and bet/call, I overbet to get value from pairs when they herocall and I'd probably be folding to a shove enough to make it profitable b/c I may not call w/an overpair because I would put him on a rivered monster only, thinking he never really has a bluff here. The only problem I can see with that river shove is that he's not really repping anything other than 7x b/c he'd rarely slowplay a monster on the turn, and if he has a 7 in his hand it's never quads, and never 78 checking the turn, any 2 pair bets the turn for sure, so his only 7x combos are missed heart draws, which would bet the turn some of the time (maybe, maybe not) and there just aren't that many of them. If he has 7x of hearts, there's just not that many combos of them so it might be a bit too thin, so ultimately I don't think I'd fold KK, but I definitely wasn't overbetting to induce because my range was polarized. You learn something new every day.

offtopic:
if i close my eyes i bet i can hear Dracula speaking
really nice eastern european accent you got there insyderrr!

Just one comment.
I liked the vid....but I found it annoying that vlad kept partially interrupting Jay...maybe vlad was abit too keen to share his thoughts...a small quibble but I think it works better if you give each other some breathing space between comments.

other than that...I liked it.

enjoyed the vid! have to agree though, there is about 20 times Jay is about to explain something and Wlad keeps cutting him off or finishing his thought for him. Other than that, 5 star video.

Enjoyed the video,looking forward to part 2.

hey guys,

sorry about interrupting jay in the video. was difficult for me since its my first video and i also was a bit nervous

If you guys have further questions about certain hands in this video let me know.

Also more stuff is coming soon =)

Let me know which site you wanna see me play on. I think lots of european members want some euro site such as ipoker?

euro sites FTW

no problem Wlad the content was excellent - please keep making more videos, maybe some six max 2/4 on FTP

on the Js8s hand in 3 bet pot on 5h8h3d7d7s board, villain overbets the river. I'm wondering why you guys put his range as mostly overpairs rather than trips 7's that checked the turn as pot control. Seems way more likely that a hand like 97 would check the turn rather than an overpair checking the turn.

hey guys,

sorry about interrupting jay in the video. was difficult for me since its my first video and i also was a bit nervous

If you guys have further questions about certain hands in this video let me know.

Also more stuff is coming soon =)

Let me know which site you wanna see me play on. I think lots of european members want some euro site such as ipoker?

this was an awesome video! Looking forward to see more from you soon. What about a partypoker vid? I would love to see that

Love the video! Would love to see more of Wladimir, he is a really good teacher. I

Just echoing the comments above, good vid but wish we'd heard more from Krantz.

Love the video! Would love to see more of Wladimir, he is a really good teacher.

I agree otherwise, but he really was interrupting KRANTZ a bit too much... But he seemed to notice that himself... so I'm eagerly waiting for more videos.

I'd love to have more NL400 or NL600 HU.

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Hey Jay,

Wanted to get your feedback on the hand where we have the 78hh. Although I am not going to disagree with the pros you have for raising the flop, I still would be a lot more likely to go ahead and just flat here. I have spent a lot of time thinking about just how often we should be putting a lot of pressure on our opponents in these types of situations aka we are OTB 200bb+ deep.

There is no question that from a theoretical perspective raising a bunch of flops against a reasonable 3 betting range (15-20%) should work incredibly well, particularly if you are the type of player that can get a good feel for your opponents range if they call the raise and make good decisions on future streets. But I have found that in practice, my results when I raise in this type of situation, particularly on a texture such as this where its reasonably hard for us to have many 2 pair combinations (rarely gonna show up w/ many combos of A6 or T6, even less likely to raise 1 pair for value on this texture), works pretty terribly. I feel like I a) get 3 bet here quite a bit, and usually feel that shoving w/ a gutter or something similar is just too spewy or b) get called down v. light aka Tx+ will correctly almost never fold.

Because our range is so polarized in this spot, a lot of good hand readers know there is only a minimal equity difference between Ax, QQ, or Tx in this situation vs our range. And balancing here is pretty tough in that raising w/ the intention to get it in w/ AQ or AJ w/ these stacks on this texture seems so poor when compared to calling than it seems pretty hard to justify the deception/balance gained from raising when compared to how theoretically superior it is to flat here for reasons you obviously understand.

Sizing in these types of situations have always been an area of interest for me as well. W/ most standard 3bet and cbet sizes we can get easily get the money in here by the river by making a smallish 2.2X flop raise 200bb deep, but I am always kind of paranoid that w/ these stack sizes even a v good player doesn't recognize this and instead says "well if he had 2 pair+ he would def make it bigger knowing I'm unlikely to fold Ax anyway". I mean of course when we actually have 2 pair+ then were golden, but as u know we have a gutshot type hand infinitely more often than the nuts here. And making it 3Xish his cbet size seems dirty as well. It gives us less room to make a play at the pot on future streets and obviously we are giving ourselves a much worse price on our bluffs.

I guess I should mention that I am referring to mostly HSNL guys who are aware of some things your opponent in this match may not be, which could make raising here better but not against a 10/20+ HU reg. Anyway, I know I didn't really ask a question, just thought I post some thoughts that I'd like to get your input on, and hopefully the DC community will get something out of it as well.

gman - the one comment i have is that a lot of those suppositions are kinda just based on feel and not practice (i.e. you know you are not repping much so you shy away because you just anticipate a 3-bet before it comes)... you are just not going to get 3-bet that often in that spot and if you are by a particular player you can just jam the gutshot over his reraise for some tremendous fold equity some of the time.

it's a spot where you are bluffing or you have one of those really strong hands that will raise... if you're not known for spazzing out vs continued aggression with air you're just not going to get 3-bet by strong hands (except maybe mid set sometimes) because you're on air or the nuts... if the flop had a flush draw i don't raise as often because then you will get 3-bet more frequently by all Ax hands and draws

Awesome video, but Jay's audio quality is pretty horrible.

Finally some new HU with Krantz!!! god dammit dc!

I 2nd that. Keep em comin.

Vlad sounds exactly like The Pie Police

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/29-Season-Premiere-Results

I loved Gman's insight on the 78s hand, and I think krantz could develop his thought process a little better. His answer was so dry and superficial and I'd love to know what he really thinks about every thing that Gman said. About sizing and etc, and detailed explained his thoughts about every part of Gman's post. And I do agree with Gman, our range is so polorized, and we have so few value hands in our range, that a good 10/20 HU reg will call blank turn and river with TJ here so often.

I don`t know, I just would like to here a more developed thought process from krantz.

Awesome video anyway! Thanks Jay and insyder and Gman.

I don't get the hand at 6.26 with 83o. You raised and checked back twice and then folded to a river bet on a A8464 board. I mean that seems like a decent board for 83o when he checks to you twice. So how come you don't bet the turn for protection if you think you have the best hand? The only reason I could see is to pick off a bluff on the river...but then you fold to his river bet. Your hand looks very very weak here, I'd like to know what range you put him on to make this a fold? And why raise 83o in the first place if you are gonna check back twice on an A846 board.