Manchild
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Solid video, some good stuff in there. I find it hard to pull myself away from the table before breaks even a hand early, but when you put it the way you did it makes a lot of sense.
Could you clarify the stack sizes of Kleath and UTG+2 in the AQo 6bet hand.
stack sizes say about 30k, but then Kleath jams for 43k. I imagine UTG+2 was deeper than 30k as well, or else he put in about 45% of his chips pre w the 5bet...
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Manchild
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I completely agree with raising on the turn here and don't think its very close tbh. I imagine I would be bet/calling the turn.
There are 3-5 combos of hearts that he can realistically have, discount some that might c/r the flop, and some that might not lead the turn, and he shows up with a flush here extremely rarely. I also think that a fair number of the hands that he donks with are able to call a raise, stuff like sets, overpairs, some pair + draw combos etc
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AMT
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Hi Sexy,
Solid video, some good stuff in there. I find it hard to pull myself away from the table before breaks even a hand early, but when you put it the way you did it makes a lot of sense.
Could you clarify the stack sizes of Kleath and UTG+2 in the AQo 6bet hand.
stack sizes say about 30k, but then Kleath jams for 43k. I imagine UTG+2 was deeper than 30k as well, or else he put in about 45% of his chips pre w the 5bet...
Yep simply an EV thing on the taking a wizz vs. a staying for that last hand. I guess I haven't crunched the numbers but will stand by the statements anyways 
Kleath's stated recollections are indeed 30k stacks for the AQ hand. Def. hear what you're saying, and I have a feeling that they were either slightly deeper, or the 5bet was smaller in reality. Still, even as is, I definitely think it is a spot where if you 'have that live read' for lack of a better way of describing, that you can definitely get someone to fold in the main after having put in 40+% of his chips pf. That said, as sort of mentioned in the vid, it's going to be a really really specific situation and dynamic that would allow someone like kleath to get away with something like that...like specifically the ordering of events here (really loose image than a total backflip establishing an extremely tight image, the two perfectly aggro kids on either side of you, the opportunity to backraise while all this is going on but only if youve never done it etc). So while it's a cool hand IMO, in reflection, I'm not sure how great it was for purposes of a video given how rare of a spot it is/how pretty of a situation it needs to be to work.
Regarding Kleath's T7 hand, agreed. I think when he shows up with a better hand on the river (still somewhat often when it goes down the way that it did), it'll more likely be boats than flushes.....and red queens 
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bellatrix
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I disagree on raise folding a set and raise/calling a straight. Even though your set is lower on the absolute hand value ladder, there is still one card to come that can change a lot. A set has 10 outs to improve against the potential flush he's representing, while a straight is basically drawing dead against that flush.
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