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Twee Bets: Episode Eight

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Twee Bets: Episode Eight by Nolan

Nolan continues to roll in three bet situations at $1/2 full ring.

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Nolan, our fullring specialist, breaks down different 3-bet situations he has encountered and those submitted by you the viewer.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 30 minutes long
  • Posted over 2 years ago

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Comments for Twee Bets: Episode Eight

ChuckTs

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11 posts
Joined 10/2007

"Not happy about villain's 3bet size. In fact, it angers me"

made me giggle

Love the series, format, etc. Always good insight and stuffs.

Posted over 2 years ago

QuadDeuces

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930 posts
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Great news Twee bets is going to be Tweelve eps long!

Posted over 2 years ago

Tehanu

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103 posts
Joined 02/2008

Enjoying this series a lot and im not even a cash player, mostly mtt and sng Smile

Posted over 2 years ago

HappyPixel

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Great series! Smile

I have a question about 4bet sizing - you mention it in the AK hand and several times throughout the series I think. I generally don't make my 4bets bigger than about 27-28bbs (100bb eff. stacks)... if you make it much bigger you can't really 4bet bluff because you're often priced in to call a shove. If we had a hand like A4s instead of AKo would you still advocate making it $66 if you chose to 4bet?

I understand that especially OOP we should be encouraging villain to go into shove/fold mode, but I just don't see regs flatting 4bets all that often.

Posted over 2 years ago

dangerfish

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Hand #1 you say "looks like he had low spades, I think we played it about as well as possible." Not sure how you can come to this conclusion based on your read that he had spades. Also, I think your assumption that he is never calling with spades or qj is giving an unknown way too much credit.

Posted over 2 years ago

dangerfish

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Just finished watching the video and overall I thought the hands were pretty uninteresting. Especially if you get a chance to hand pick situations that you needs to find spots that are educational. If you are catering toward 200nl regs I think you are way to basic in terms of the discussion you are trying to generate. I hate to come off overly critical but for example watching that 88 hand or JJ hand is pointless. Actually thinking back on the AK or AA hand I really don't see where the merit is in these hands.

Posted over 2 years ago

Nolan

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Hand #1 you say "looks like he had low spades, I think we played it about as well as possible." Not sure how you can come to this conclusion based on your read that he had spades. Also, I think your assumption that he is never calling with spades or qj is giving an unknown way too much credit.



After re-watching this segment I think I explained in detail why I think the line the hero took was probably close to maximizing value given opponents likely range. Sorry you disagree.

As far as randoms calling off with draws, you're possibly correct, and I think I made it clear in the video that I just honestly don't know if it's better to ship it in, or check back and hope he ships the river with whatever he has or maybe c/c's with something he may of folded on the turn.

I'm sorry you didn't like the video, The whole series is geared more towards beginners as I think if you're an established 200nl+ player you probably don't need to work much more on 3betting. Contrary to contemporary internet groupthink, your edge in 400nl+ doesn't come from 3betting the best.

I wouldn't expect content to get much more complex, sorry.

Posted over 2 years ago

dangerfish

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After re-watching this segment I think I explained in detail why I think the line the hero took was probably close to maximizing value given opponents likely range. Sorry you disagree.

As far as randoms calling off with draws, you're possibly correct, and I think I made it clear in the video that I just honestly don't know if it's better to ship it in, or check back and hope he ships the river with whatever he has or maybe c/c's with something he may of folded on the turn.

I'm sorry you didn't like the video, The whole series is geared more towards beginners as I think if you're an established 200nl+ player you probably don't need to work much more on 3betting. Contrary to contemporary internet groupthink, your edge in 400nl+ doesn't come from 3betting the best.

I wouldn't expect content to get much more complex, sorry.



Nolan--I realize I came off as a bit harsh but I feel like I can offer you some helpful advice. I should have done a better job of communicating in a more constuctive manner. Good luck with the next video.

Posted over 2 years ago

DiggerTheDog

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goldseraph

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I disagree with Nolan that established 200+ regs prob dont need to work on their 3betting much. While they may figure out reasonably WHEN to 3bet and with what sort of hands, that doesn't mean they play 3bet pots well postflop, or choose the correct bet sizing, which is what this series is helping us with. Nice vid Sean.

Posted over 2 years ago

dangerfish

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I disagree with Nolan that established 200+ regs prob dont need to work on their 3betting much. While they may figure out reasonably WHEN to 3bet and with what sort of hands, that doesn't mean they play 3bet pots well postflop, or choose the correct bet sizing, which is what this series is helping us with. Nice vid Sean.



I could not agree more, in fact anything that revolves around 3-betting I like to have a look at for my own game and to see how other players think. My comment to Nolan that I realize I could have explained better was that in choosing hands you have virtually endless options unlike live videos. As such you should cherry pick situations that demonstrate a situation that is interesting and hopefully enlightening to viewers. I just felt like I watched 5 random completely uninteresting hands.

Posted over 2 years ago

QuadDeuces

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I just felt like I watched 5 random completely uninteresting hands.



Some of us are not NL200 regs. I found the series really helpful although I am hoping to see some microstakes 3B pots as the dynamics are different.

Posted over 2 years ago

madlex

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I am hoping to see some microstakes 3B pots as the dynamics are different.


I don't know about Microstakes this days but remember the times when I played them, there weren't a lot of people with balanced 3betting ranges.

Tight players only 3Bet AA/KK and sometimes AK/QQ, Maniacs 3bet just everything. So vs. most regulars even QQ was an easy fold (or call depending on stacksizes, players tendencies postflop) OOP vs. a 3Bet.

I really love this series and don't think it's for beginners. Most people in the hands are NL100/200 Regs, I wouldn't call any of them a "beginner" in this games these days.

Posted over 2 years ago

MacAnthony

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I could not agree more, in fact anything that revolves around 3-betting I like to have a look at for my own game and to see how other players think. My comment to Nolan that I realize I could have explained better was that in choosing hands you have virtually endless options unlike live videos. As such you should cherry pick situations that demonstrate a situation that is interesting and hopefully enlightening to viewers. I just felt like I watched 5 random completely uninteresting hands.



I thought they were, and I'm not just saying that cause they were my hands. I picked these as being the more interesting hands that I played out the last 50k hands or so so it's not like I just pulled out completely random hands. I picked hands that I thought either:

1) I thought I misplayed, or

2) I thought had situations that could have been done differently and wanted to hear other perspectives on them

Most 3bet hands I'm involved with are me 3 barreling to get it all in with AA or KK by the river. I hope these at least progressed above that. I think Nolan has been doing a good job of getting a variety of hands in this series and has developed into something more than I was expecting.

The only hand I was disappointed on how it was covered was the JJ hand on the QQx board and only cause of my read of the villain. I think I played it poorly in that situation since he had like an 85% vpip preflop (so called everything) but had like an 80% fold to cb post flop (so folded pretty much everything that missed). I think Nolan's advice was good for a typical player, but I think I misplayed it given the read and was really upset I decided to try and 2 barrel this guy off the hand.

Posted over 2 years ago

Lann555

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Joined 06/2008

Great series. Don't quite understand the intro though.

Posted over 2 years ago

dangerfish

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I thought they were, and I'm not just saying that cause they were my hands. I picked these as being the more interesting hands that I played out the last 50k hands or so so it's not like I just pulled out completely random hands. I picked hands that I thought either:

1) I thought I misplayed, or

2) I thought had situations that could have been done differently and wanted to hear other perspectives on them

Most 3bet hands I'm involved with are me 3 barreling to get it all in with AA or KK by the river. I hope these at least progressed above that. I think Nolan has been doing a good job of getting a variety of hands in this series and has developed into something more than I was expecting.

The only hand I was disappointed on how it was covered was the JJ hand on the QQx board and only cause of my read of the villain. I think I played it poorly in that situation since he had like an 85% vpip preflop (so called everything) but had like an 80% fold to cb post flop (so folded pretty much everything that missed). I think Nolan's advice was good for a typical player, but I think I misplayed it given the read and was really upset I decided to try and 2 barrel this guy off the hand.



Mac--don't take it personally, if those were hand that you really struggled with then by all means send them in. My comments were to Nolan that he should be sifting through hands and get more interesting spots. Just to give you reasons behind my comments so you don't think I am just hating on the video, let me ask you a question. Was there any hand other than the JJ where folding was ever even an option? You are 100bb deep with top set, KK, AK on Axx and JJ on QQx. If you awknowledge that you are never folding any of the above hand besides the JJ that really doesn't leave a whole lot to discuss does it? The only question really is how to extract value, correct?

Posted over 2 years ago

AHP

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Joined 07/2009

The A9s vs QQ on KT38A:
He will bet the turn 90% without showdown value (air or random draws). Thats why when he checks back the turn he almost always has like say TJ JJ and hands like that with showdown value. That's why I lean towards like a half pot bet on the river ace since he knows you probably rep it with all of your air and talks himself into hero calling. Your logic is that he might turn a missed flush draw into a bluff but I just think he will bet that more often on the turn and check back marginal hands with showdown value.

Anyway thanks alot for this series, it's the best.

Posted over 2 years ago



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