DiggerTheDog
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With Sobrao 3bet pot - do you think he only barrells a regular with history such as yourself in that spot - do you think he would 3-barrell unknowns too?
Apologies if that is too player specific - but just wondering if that is a reg on reg dynamic. Also if he checks river - do you think he is giving up or picked up showdown value ( on various river cards)?
Good vid enjoying the series.
Like your presentation style.
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vbkay
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I like this episode, these were some pretty common situations and I liked how you played and explained them. I also appreciate that you keep these episodes limited to a handful of hands. I hope people don't catch up to this too fast though. Regs playing like degens in 3bet pots are almost as profitable as the regular fish.
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RainFall
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I like this episode, these were some pretty common situations and I liked how you played and explained them. I also appreciate that you keep these episodes limited to a handful of hands. I hope people don't catch up to this too fast though. Regs playing like degens in 3bet pots are almost as profitable as the regular fish.
Agreed
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sakisaki
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Time Link to 00:21:21
I think shoving is far superior to checking here. You took a sort of weird line and in my experience people are in general pretty keen on getting to showdown when that happens. Thus I think its way more likely that he will herocall here than turn some 2pair hand into a bluff. Also just the fact that its really hard for him to have the Ks here makes it an ez ship imo.
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Nolan
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We dont ever give villian credit for AK,KQ, KJ? If He's playing loose, calling $10 more preflop after a reraise is definately possible in my opinion. I honestly give him credit for at least a King on the flop, but we dont have any numbers to verify here.
We of course give him credit for those hands, however they are a small part (presumably) of his overall range preflop.
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pontylad
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I disagree with the sakisaki's first comment, I don't really think many people are hero calling a shove here without Ks and as we can assume there's almost no way villain has that here i think it loses us value. but i agree with villain is unlikely to turn 2 pair into a bluff and likely to check back any set, meaning only marginal value from trying to induce a bet (again though from a small range (Ax10s?!)).
Since we're sure we're ahead of him by river and think we're going to struggle to get value do you not think it would be better to tank and throw out some value/spaz inducing bet like $65, something that encourages villain to look you up (even if only a small amount with a set) but also a line that looks weird and could end up making him do something daft??
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pontylad
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Nolan
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Nolan
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...do you not think it would be better to tank and throw out some value/spaz inducing bet like $65, something that encourages villain to look you up (even if only a small amount with a set) but also a line that looks weird and could end up making him do something daft??
You're quite possibly right. I'm not sure this villain is capable of spazzing very often, but in general this may be the best line for sure. Cheers for the idea for some reason I hadn't considered this.
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pontylad
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I couldn't help with a 3rd question sorry. And don't really know how to ask it, but what are your thoughts on the merrits of limp 3 bet bluffing regs from utg/ep? (this obviously has the dissadvantage of needing a reg to bet at some point) since is always viewed super strong by people who are thinking while playing (obv not talking about limp 3 betting random spaz's and realise the dissadvantage of this play could leave u oop with marginal hand). Is it possible for this to be a +ev play if adopted very sparingly into someones game, especially with cards that give reasonable equity such as suited connectors etc?? I've never really discussed the merrits of this with people before so would be interested in your views. nice vid by the way.
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Bluegrassplayer
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I'm a bit confused on the turn check raise with j/qo. If you think that villain is floating you light enough to make this profitable why isn't it likely enough that your pair of jacks is good and you can just call?
Do you think this turn c/r ever folds an ace?
Also what would you have done with a river brick?
Great video, thanks a lot, it's a lot to absorb.
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Nolan
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regarding the ck/r and hitting the flush on the river i was thinking the whole time that betting like 55-80 could def get him to bluff shove.
Yeah this is possibly the best line. Spots like that are probably one of my bigger leaks.
To answer Ponty, I don't like limp/3betting because it's impossible to properly balance, and even if you could it would be a waste of mental energy.
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awnline2o9
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