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Hey Van: Episode One

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Hey Van: Episode One by vandweller

In this video, vandweller fields viewer questions on: taking -EV gambles to build a stack, clarifying his 18-man SNG advice, and the differences and similarities between three popular plays.

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  • Game: mttsng
  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 46 minutes long
  • Posted over 2 years ago

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Comments for Hey Van: Episode One

SlackBladder

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Nicely done van
I was particulary happy with the stop and go etc explanations.

Before i joined DC i was a recreational break even sng player, now i am begginning to up the amount of games i play and have a 22% ROI over a small 350 game sample on pokerstars.

I have been employing more stealing into my game and have often come across these exact scenarios where my steal raise is reraised and the flop is jammed knowing my range misses 2/3 times.

Now i can learn to adapt to this and act accordingly.

what sort of hand range would you use in the stop and go against the pre raiser?

As the pre flop raiser how can you exploit this? i presume that when someone makes the stop and go on you they are not folding if you jam?

Sorry for the torrent of questions within an hour of you posting lol

Posted over 2 years ago

vandweller

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Nicely done van



Thanks.

Before i joined DC i was a recreational break even sng player, now i am begginning to up the amount of games i play and have a 22% ROI over a small 350 game sample on pokerstars.



Don't discount your small sample size. If you were breakeven, took action to educate yourself, and then started winning, it's probably no accident. Congrats and keep going!

I have been employing more stealing into my game and have often come across these exact scenarios where my steal raise is reraised and the flop is jammed knowing my range misses 2/3 times.



There aren't a lot of guys doing naked go-and-goes in STTs, so a lot of the time, you'd probably be shown something decent. But if you do have some knowledge that an opponent is capable of it there are a couple adjustments you can make.

For one thing you can lower your steal raise size, which in effect makes your opponent's stack larger which makes his risk/reward context less favorable, and allows you to lose less when you just have to give up.

Post-flop, you can pull off a few hero calls with hands like Ace-high, second pairs, flush or straight draws with overs, etc. But don't just do it willy-nilly--have some sort of read, and make sure you aren't playing fancy for its own sake.

what sort of hand range would you use in the stop and go against the pre raiser?



I wouldn't want to flat-out say, do it with A, B, C hands and not with X, Y, Z. It's contextual. The guideline, as I said, would be: any time you aren't sure if simply getting all-in is immediately profitable and you feel you can get away with it often enough, i.e., your opponent's range includes several hands that he can't/won't call with on the flop.

As the pre flop raiser how can you exploit this? i presume that when someone makes the stop and go on you they are not folding if you jam?



A stop and go is made by a player with a stack that is <10BB so you should usually be all-in pre-flop when stealing against such a stack. But if you are in position such that you have to make a normal raise through several similarly deeper stacked players but there happen to be <10BB stacks in the blinds, you should already have a plan and make your raise accordingly. If you make a raise, and then find "oops I got stop-n-goed, what do i do," you're doing it wrong. You should already know what you'll do before you make the raise, otherwise don't make it.

Sorry for the torrent of questions within an hour of you posting lol



Insta-ban for torrent discussion.

Posted over 2 years ago

SlackBladder

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Insta-ban for torrent discussion



Joke right?
torrent in english means, a lot/loads/to many/etc
Not torrent as in web torrent, i am not intelligent for that lol

Posted over 2 years ago

vandweller

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Joke right?
torrent in english means, a lot/loads/to many/etc
Not torrent as in web torrent, i am not intelligent for that lol



Yes it's a joke. Welcome to DC.

Posted over 2 years ago

Tehanu

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Im not sure what the point of the go-and-go is. You say that you manufacture FE but a 19bb is a fine stack to shove over like a 3x open imo... 2.5x without antes and it might become a bit meh i suppose. What range are we suppose to do this with? Obviously we want the raiser to be lose/stealing a lot and are we folding if he 4-bets? Im not sure the extra 3-4bb are worth it. He's probably calling with hands he would've folded to a shove and most likely stacking off if he flops a pair/draw and obviously if he's lose he might just jam a lot of garbage too if he thinks we're restealing and thinks we can still fold. Summa summarum i'd rather just shove or flat and maybe be exploitable and only do that small 3-bet with AA/KK

P.S. I could hear from your voice that you thought the article by albatross had a bit douchy tune to it and no math to back his 'winning' theory Grin Thanks for clearing that one up though.

Posted over 2 years ago

vandweller

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Im not sure what the point of the go-and-go is. You say that you manufacture FE but a 19bb is a fine stack to shove over like a 3x open imo... 2.5x without antes and it might become a bit meh i suppose. What range are we suppose to do this with? Obviously we want the raiser to be lose/stealing a lot and are we folding if he 4-bets? Im not sure the extra 3-4bb are worth it. He's probably calling with hands he would've folded to a shove and most likely stacking off if he flops a pair/draw and obviously if he's lose he might just jam a lot of garbage too if he thinks we're restealing and thinks we can still fold. Summa summarum i'd rather just shove or flat and maybe be exploitable and only do that small 3-bet with AA/KK



The merits of go-and-going vs. just shipping are pretty controversial, and I don't think I unqualifyingly endorsed it in the vid. All I was trying to do was show how they were similar and different and lay out parameters for when you might consider it. Certainly in a SNG, it would be rare that I would do it as an outright bluff, though in an MTT I would.

In a SNG I can see it as an alternative play to shoving if you anticipate, for whatever reason, that are going to get called nearly 100% of the time you would shove, but you have a hand that is going to be more or less a coinflip if you get called. Because of the confrontation-bias inherent in SNGs, there is value in avoiding all-in flips, often even if you are the side statistically favored to win.

As I said, if you aren't sure that going all-in is going to be profitable, but you have a hand that still merits playing, it can be worth considering. Shoving preflop might get you into that preflop flip that you might not want to take. Merely flatting preflop at those stack sizes, even if you intend to bluff a flop, gives your opponent the power of the last all-in, whereas 3-betting pre and shoving the flop takes it
from him.

All-in-all, it's just one more strategic option. So if the shoe seems to fit, wear it. If not, you aren't missing much.

P.S. I could hear from your voice that you thought the article by albatross had a bit douchy tune to it and no math to back his 'winning' theory Grin Thanks for clearing that one up though.



I would never say it had a douchey tone, just a little cheesy from being optimized for search engine indexing. There was no math, but if a regular long-term winner has something new and interesting to say, I think it deserves a fair hearing. I'm more or less in favor of plays like that as long as you really know that the context (which I tried to lay out) is appropriate for it.

Posted over 2 years ago

midnitetoker

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I think you got the example for the SNGPlanet article wrong. You setup the situation with 1900 chips behind, instead of 1900 chips total. If you read the article you can clearly see that Albatross77 says "two hands later you’re down to 1250 chips". The only way you can be down to 1250 chips two hands later is to start with 1900 and pay the blinds and antes out of it: 1900 - (400+200+25x2) = 1250.

Doesn't change much though, I think. A bit harder to get a favorable stack setup after doubling to 3800 instead of 4900 or so, which would mean for a small stack to be present the other two stacks would be closer to ours.

Posted over 2 years ago

vandweller

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I think you got the example for the SNGPlanet article wrong. You setup the situation with 1900 chips behind, instead of 1900 chips total. If you read the article you can clearly see that Albatross77 says "two hands later you’re down to 1250 chips". The only way you can be down to 1250 chips two hands later is to start with 1900 and pay the blinds and antes out of it: 1900 - (400+200+25x2) = 1250.

Doesn't change much though, I think. A bit harder to get a favorable stack setup after doubling to 3800 instead of 4900 or so, which would mean for a small stack to be present the other two stacks would be closer to ours.



You could be right about that. Only thing is he said in the article that we were in 3rd place and that we had a big stack, and it seemed as though eliminating the shover and being left 4-handed on the bubble as the big stack was a key to the play. If we had 400 in the BB and 1500 behind, none of these would hold true.

Posted over 2 years ago

midnitetoker

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Sure sounds like he didn't really have his own situation down pat. What you're saying is true. I can't see a way for the situation to work out according to what he says; either he has a bigger stack than 1900, or else he can't bust the 2300 stack that's pushing into him, but if he has a bigger than 1900 stack, he can't have only 1250 left when he gets to the button.

Posted over 2 years ago

orestto

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rubbishaka80

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Time Link to 00:18:40

In your slide about similarities in 9man/18man there is a error, which I noticed in your 1st video, but forgot to mention.

In the 9man section, first with 2 left gets 20% of the prize pool, not 10%.

This mistake has no consequences whatsoever.

Posted over 2 years ago

vandweller

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In your slide about similarities in 9man/18man there is a error, which I noticed in your 1st video, but forgot to mention.

In the 9man section, first with 2 left gets 20% of the prize pool, not 10%.

This mistake has no consequences whatsoever.



Oops. Thanks.

Posted over 2 years ago

vandweller

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Van's the man.



Didn't know you were a DC member. Welcome.

Posted over 2 years ago

4everleeds

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Looking forward to this. Thanks Van

Posted over 2 years ago

Joeyg50

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audio was a little low good video though

Posted over 2 years ago

PanchoStern

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Excellent video as always Keith. Keep em coming!

Posted over 2 years ago

flipstar

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