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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by blah234 (Micro/Small Stakes)

Time Link to 00:30:27

Great video! Blah, are you planning of making a video on a bit higher stakes (lets say nl200). The game dynamic is a very different there IMO (a lot more 3betting & other stuff).

AQ @ 4th table: he actually 3bet shoves. Does this fact affect your decision?

Great video! Blah, are you planning of making a video on a bit higher stakes (lets say nl200). The game dynamic is a very different there IMO (a lot more 3betting & other stuff).

AQ @ 4th table: he actually 3bet shoves. Does this fact affect your decision?

I can make higher stakes videos if there are demand for it, all up to the DC content team. AQ doesn't affect my decision when he shoves because that villain hasn't shown that he's aggro.

Hey you said that you want to 3 bet less from blinds when ur deep. So does this mean u are 3 betting a more polarized range? Also are you 3 betting more in position when ur deep? obvioulsy this depends on the opponent but just as a general question.

Hey you said that you want to 3 bet less from blinds when ur deep. So does this mean u are 3 betting a more polarized range? Also are you 3 betting more in position when ur deep? obvioulsy this depends on the opponent but just as a general question.

You should 3 bet more depolarized as stacks get deeper because villain are more likely to call then stack off. You can also have a range for calling 4 bets with enough stack depth. Yes, I will generally 3 bet more often IP vs someone because stack depth amplifies positional advantage if you are willing to make a move for your whole stack sometimes.

Time Link to 00:06:22

Turn your hand into a bluff? Im not sure I get it, shouldnt we be more concerned about getting value on the river? Our read on villain was that when he checked back the flop he is weak, so he could easily have called with a 9 or something else weaker on the turn, and when a brick rolls off I highly doubt he folds.Or if a club falls we can probably check call since hes not repping much if are read is that he would bet a Q on the flop and bet draws on the flop.Not sure if that was your read though....

Turn your hand into a bluff? Im not sure I get it, shouldnt we be more concerned about getting value on the river? Our read on villain was that when he checked back the flop he is weak, so he could easily have called with a 9 or something else weaker on the turn, and when a brick rolls off I highly doubt he folds.Or if a club falls we can probably check call since hes not repping much if are read is that he would bet a Q on the flop and bet draws on the flop.Not sure if that was your read though....

c/c when something gets there on the river is like the worst thing ever. All you do is get value towned when they spike and miss value when he doesn't have air. When the guy c/c turn he obv doesn't have air.

Time Link to 00:29:05

Dont you think K7is a bit thin here vs a 60/30 when we are oop? That makes me wonder what type of range we can iso this villian IP. I was under the assumption vs these villians just expand our range wider the weaker they play post.. as in they chk fold alot. But without that read I would never iso K7o oop vs this villain or even IP for this matter,am i wrong for that? Maybe I didnt hear it the vid and you said he chk folds alot... But pretty sure I you didnt. Thanks. BTW love the vid so far

Time Link to 00:31:55

So whats your rule with really loose player like 60vip plus as in iso pfr size? I have some fish in my games that pretty much limp call every time. What do you think a good stradegy would be for them. TYPE A fish player who is floaty post. Type B. fish str8 forward fish. Clearly we should iso bigger vs the more str8 forward fish but i never really no where to draw the line thats why im asking. For type A fish should I just keep it standard since hes floating and playing back more post? I understand if you cant anwser these ?s because they really arnt related to this video but if you can Id really appreciate it. Thanks again!!

@4:20

You had K 2

Flop: A T Q

Turn: 9
You said you have two draws, both to the nutz. IMO K-high FD isn't the NFD here Does this change our plan, shall we fold now ? Our pot odds are about 26.5%. Direct odds for hitting our draw against his range (against sets) are ~~ 22.565%. I don't think we can rely on any implied pot odds on 4-to-str8.

Dont you think K7is a bit thin here vs a 60/30 when we are oop? That makes me wonder what type of range we can iso this villian IP. I was under the assumption vs these villians just expand our range wider the weaker they play post.. as in they chk fold alot. But without that read I would never iso K7o oop vs this villain or even IP for this matter,am i wrong for that? Maybe I didnt hear it the vid and you said he chk folds alot... But pretty sure I you didnt. Thanks. BTW love the vid so far

playing vs fish or anyone who doesn't use position well OOP or IP has very little difference. My default assumption is that the times villain folds pre + times they c/f flop to small cbet + the times I hit a pair will make raising most hands profitable.

So whats your rule with really loose player like 60vip plus as in iso pfr size? I have some fish in my games that pretty much limp call every time. What do you think a good stradegy would be for them. TYPE A fish player who is floaty post. Type B. fish str8 forward fish. Clearly we should iso bigger vs the more str8 forward fish but i never really no where to draw the line thats why im asking. For type A fish should I just keep it standard since hes floating and playing back more post? I understand if you cant anwser these ?s because they really arnt related to this video but if you can Id really appreciate it. Thanks again!!

How a fish plays has nothing to do with how big you should raise. The bigger you raise preflop the more often you have to win the pot postflop for the bigger raise to make sense generally. You should adjust your range for raising vs different fish. For example, I would not raise like 76s vs a stationy fish but raise that vs a fit or fold fish. How big you raise should depend on how other regs react at your table.

@4:20

You had K 2

Flop: A T Q

Turn: 9
You said you have two draws, both to the nutz. IMO K-high FD isn't the NFD here Does this change our plan, shall we fold now ? Our pot odds are about 26.5%. Direct odds for hitting our draw against his range (against sets) are ~~ 22.565%. I don't think we can rely on any implied pot odds on 4-to-str8.

When was the last time anyone folded a K high flush for around 100BB? If he only has sets in his range which gives us 22.565% pot odds does it matter if our flush is 2 high? Do you think villain automatically c/f a set when we hit and bet like 5BB on the river because that's about how much implied odds we need for the call to be +EV assuming he has only sets in his range.

Hi, I'm a micro fish, but have some questions about the 33 hand where the shortstack push in a multiwaypot preflop. He push almost 29bb, and hero push with 2 people behind. When we push, we do it to win 41bb in the pot, but we are always flipping or hugh dogs against the shortstacks range. If we say that we got around 30% eq vs the shortstack in BB, wich I think is pretty generous? Then this is a -EV push anyway? Am I thinking wrong in any spot? Sry if its like that

c/c when something gets there on the river is like the worst thing ever. All you do is get value towned when they spike and miss value when he doesn't have air. When the guy c/c turn he obv doesn't have air.

Right thats why valuebetting the river makes sense, but you said if he calls here we will prolly turn our hand into bluff later, when its pretty clear value bet later. I also said Id c/c the river if some draws got there because hes not repping much at all he was the PFR and chkd back the flop so I was not putting him on a draw... unless you had a read that he does not bet draws.

Right thats why valuebetting the river makes sense, but you said if he calls here we will prolly turn our hand into bluff later, when its pretty clear value bet later. I also said Id c/c the river if some draws got there because hes not repping much at all he was the PFR and chkd back the flop so I was not putting him on a draw... unless you had a read that he does not bet draws.

We have no idea if villain can check a draw also what his c/c range looks like other than it's weak. He can easily hit an overcard or have a draw. Assuming people always always cbet a FD on the flop especially mutiway is a mistake.

playing vs fish or anyone who doesn't use position well OOP or IP has very little difference. My default assumption is that the times villain folds pre + times they c/f flop to small cbet + the times I hit a pair will make raising most hands profitable.

These guys very rarely limp fold at least the ones I come across, I do agree fish do c/f a decent bit but we are oop vs villian he cannot c/f here. Fish are usally pretty floaty IP esp when bets are small. However I do agree when we make a pair we will value town him forsure. I just think its pretty thin since we rarely flop TP and with no reads how he plays post I cant see it being that profitable or even profitable at all.... I may be wrong though, it wouldnt be the first time lol.

Hi, I'm a micro fish, but have some questions about the 33 hand where the shortstack push in a multiwaypot preflop. He push almost 29bb, and hero push with 2 people behind. When we push, we do it to win 41bb in the pot, but we are always flipping or hugh dogs against the shortstacks range. If we say that we got around 30% eq vs the shortstack in BB, wich I think is pretty generous? Then this is a -EV push anyway? Am I thinking wrong in any spot? Sry if its like that

we have more than 30% equity. For every 6 combos of a pair there are 20 combos of uppaired hands. Vs any unpaired hand even AKs we have over 50% equity. Even vs a range like AK+ and QQ+ we have around 35% equity which is why shoving small pp over 4 bets in spots where villain is likely to to bluffing isn't such a bad idea.

These guys very rarely limp fold at least the ones I come across, I do agree fish do c/f a decent bit but we are oop vs villian he cannot c/f here. Fish are usally pretty floaty IP esp when bets are small. However I do agree when we make a pair we will value town him forsure. I just think its pretty thin since we rarely flop TP and with no reads how he plays post I cant see it being that profitable or even profitable at all.... I may be wrong though, it wouldnt be the first time lol.

Doesn't matter if villain is a fish or reg we adjust the same way. Fish who gets to the turn with a weak range we can 2 barrel as well. Just make sure the math is in your favour. I don't see the difference between c/f to cbet OOP or folding to a cbet IP. If you can bet half pot and someone will fold air you should auto profit by cbetting ATC. It's hard to connect with the flop more than 1/3 of the time with a wide range.

How a fish plays has nothing to do with how big you should raise. The bigger you raise preflop the more often you have to win the pot postflop for the bigger raise to make sense generally. You should adjust your range for raising vs different fish. For example, I would not raise like 76s vs a stationy fish but raise that vs a fit or fold fish. How big you raise should depend on how other regs react at your table.

Im not sure how you can say how a fish plays has nothing to do with our PFR sizing. When I have a whale at my table Im not really worried about regs squeezing light because if we are talking about the big fish im talking about they woul dbe scared the fish would cc them. There so many diff types of fish in my game, obv vs fish that give us hard times post we dont wanna bloat the pot as much cause we dont win as much. Then the other type who players more str8 forward obv we want more money in pre since we win alot more post. So i really dont understand how u say it doesnt matter how the fish plays.
So i guess i should rephrase my? now, how big should we go vs a loose pass fish who calls every iso and who will play str8 forward post when regs are really not a issue? Thanks.

Im not sure how you can say how a fish plays has nothing to do with our PFR sizing. When I have a whale at my table Im not really worried about regs squeezing light because if we are talking about the big fish im talking about they woul dbe scared the fish would cc them. There so many diff types of fish in my game, obv vs fish that give us hard times post we dont wanna bloat the pot as much cause we dont win as much. Then the other type who players more str8 forward obv we want more money in pre since we win alot more post. So i really dont understand how u say it doesnt matter how the fish plays.
So i guess i should rephrase my? now, how big should we go vs a loose pass fish who calls every iso and who will play str8 forward post when regs are really not a issue? Thanks.

No if you got a huge whale the calls everything the regs should reraise with a depolarized range which includes any off suit broadways and that's a 15% range. The goal is to make you fold and play the fish HU with an equity advantage. I'm not saying they will do it at 100nl but that's the right adjustment. Do you want to raise huge with a wide range and get 3 bet 15% of the times by every single player behind you?

You can build a pot for the fish's whole stack even if you raise to 3x, just pot every street or slightly overbet somewhere. He's not folding a decent hand anyways.

Doesn't matter if villain is a fish or reg we adjust the same way. Fish who gets to the turn with a weak range we can 2 barrel as well. Just make sure the math is in your favour. I don't see the difference between c/f to cbet OOP or folding to a cbet IP. If you can bet half pot and someone will fold air you should auto profit by cbetting ATC. It's hard to connect with the flop more than 1/3 of the time with a wide range.

Assuming he isnt floaty, most fish I come across will call 2overs alot , example flop is 1052 villian has JQ he calls. Ace high is pretty standard calls from fish, and BD FD hands i see fish float alot. So thats why i said without the read I thought it was a bit thin. Im not sure we can assume a 60/30 is gonna play fit or fold lol. Thank you for the quick reply sir!

Sorry if you had a read and said he wasnt floaty in the vid, but im pretty sure you didnt. Just wanted to confirm!

Assuming he isnt floaty, most fish I come across will call 2overs alot , example flop is 1052 villian has JQ he calls. Ace high is pretty standard calls from fish, and BD FD hands i see fish float alot. So thats why i said without the read I thought it was a bit thin. Im not sure we can assume a 60/30 is gonna play fit or fold lol. Thank you for the quick reply sir!

So you are saying we make loads of money when we hit a pair and have loads of equity vs his calling range even maybe a favourite when we don't. Seems pretty +EV to me.

No if you got a huge whale the calls everything the regs should reraise with a depolarized range which includes any off suit broadways and that's a 15% range. The goal is to make you fold and play the fish HU with an equity advantage. I'm not saying they will do it at 100nl but that's the right adjustment. Do you want to raise huge with a wide range and get 3 bet 15% of the times by every single player behind you?

You can build a pot for the fish's whole stack even if you raise to 3x, just pot every street or slightly overbet somewhere. He's not folding a decent hand anyways.

Yep thats when iso Axs and pairs then reshipping on those guys is pretty sexy... Since they prolly need AQ plus to call and we block a few combos huh?... maybe spewy but im sure it cant be that bad!

Yep thats when iso Axs and pairs then reshipping on those guys is pretty sexy... Since they prolly need AQ plus to call and we block a few combos huh?... maybe spewy but im sure it cant be that bad!

It's terrible, do the math.

It's terrible, do the math.

Please do this, it will help you hugely in your game. It clear you really dont understand many basic poker theories.

IMO, you dont have a solid foundation of basic poker. If you think making plays is 'pretty sexy' without any mathematical basis, then you really shouldnt watch complex series like this.

Im not trying to offend whatsoever, but give advice to help you. Nan said in his first ep that this series will hurt players games who dont have solid fundamentals.

It's terrible, do the math.

well its one way to get those annoying regs off your back... I rarely do it tbh cause regs in my games really dont squeeze much.

Please do this, it will help you hugely in your game. It clear you really dont understand many basic poker theories.

IMO, you dont have a solid foundation of basic poker. If you think making plays is 'pretty sexy' without any mathematical basis, then you really shouldnt watch complex series like this.

Im not trying to offend whatsoever, but give advice to help you. Nan said in his first ep that this series will hurt players games who dont have solid fundamentals.

ya im on 24 hours no sleep right now in the middle of a schedule change, tired of waking up when its dark outside. So ya I prolly sound like a fool right now, AS i just said I rarely use it its a good move to have in your arsinal when you feel someone is light. Obv have a read first!

It's terrible, do the math.

But seriously its really bad if you are only doing it vs that 15 % range clearly that would be retarded to do I havent done the math yet but if you factor in bluffs and you have good timing you should be able to turn a profit as long as u dont do it that often,(soul reading helps too). Sorry for the miscomunication I believe i have trouble sometimes putting my thoughts into words correctly. Ill chill out cause I feel like im derailing what is OBV going to be one of the best series I personally ever viewed online. And trust me Ive seen a ton! So ima chill out cause this really isnt getting anywhere lol with my lack of putting thoughts into words

i'm really enjoying the videos blah234!!!!

i love having super detailed lectures then seeing you play in game with the different concepts. the current format is awesome and to top it off, would be awesome to have 1 or 2 hand history review videos that cover topics from your first few videos

Hey Blah,

very nice series, keep up the good work.

@51:40 Table 2

Would you play KQ like this vs this player(and stack off on the turn)?

@58:19 Table 1

Would you call the triple barrel? I know the fish seems bit spazzy but he still has 20+combos of Aces, do yo u think he spazs enough to warrant a call?

@1:12:32 Table 2

Would you call the shove?


Thanks in advance.

Hey Blah,

very nice series, keep up the good work.

@51:40 Table 2

Would you play KQ like this vs this player(and stack off on the turn)?

@58:19 Table 1

Would you call the triple barrel? I know the fish seems bit spazzy but he still has 20+combos of Aces, do yo u think he spazs enough to warrant a call?

@1:12:32 Table 2

Would you call the shove?


Thanks in advance.

1. Vs this play no because I said in the video I expect to push him off most K in his range by the river.

2. Call triple barrel is pretty standard. It doesn't matter how many combos he has that beats you, all it matter is how many combos that's beating you relative to other things. Even if he has 100 combos of Ax but if he has more than 33 combos of other hands you can call. Remeber to call a pot size bet you only need to be right 1/3 of the times to break even.

3. no.

Next time please use the time stamps. It takes too long to find the hands manually.

Time Link to 00:19:02

In the K6o hand.

What would you do if the turn was a total brick?

Bet, hoping to get called by some medium pockets/flushdraws?

Check, letting him bet his floats, or check back his medium pocketpair for potcontrol, and then bet the river for value against those?

Great series btw!

In the K6o hand.

What would you do if the turn was a total brick?

Bet, hoping to get called by some medium pockets/flushdraws?

Check, letting him bet his floats, or check back his medium pocketpair for potcontrol, and then bet the river for value against those?

Great series btw!

All the above lines are reasonable without a read. Hard to say which one is more +EV so you'd have to go with board texture and estimate villain's range. With the hand in the video I'd bet again on the turn most likely because I don't expect villain to float too much with total air.

Can you please sit in the same seat at each table? It's really hard to follow the action with you in a different spot at each table.

Cheers

Time Link to 01:06:02

hello, just to train (correct me if its wrong)
math questions:
you got 25.7 to call, to win the pot (40.7), so you need 25.7/(25.7+40.7)=38.7% equity to make the call ev+

quity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.922% 45.29% 00.63% 1195762152 16751148.00 { 33 }
Hand 1: 54.078% 53.44% 00.63% 1411108320 16751148.00 { 22+, A2s+, A2o+ }

hello, just to train (correct me if its wrong)
math questions:
you got 25.7 to call, to win the pot (40.7), so you need 25.7/(25.7+40.7)=38.7% equity to make the call ev+

quity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.922% 45.29% 00.63% 1195762152 16751148.00 { 33 }
Hand 1: 54.078% 53.44% 00.63% 1411108320 16751148.00 { 22+, A2s+, A2o+ }

right

hello i really like your serie

i worked your theory and i try to apply in my games (nl100/200) and i see improvements (will be sure with more hands)

3bet seems to work (but not with PP because i did not find a guy who 4bet a lot and fold to 5bet), CB seems ok, i take as many reads as possible.., i play more hands in "good spots" etc...

my real problem is the "playback vs a player who CB too much" (i would like to improve my winrate over regs)
often when i Raise or X/R he seems to have a strong hand...i do not understand because i do it vs players (and spots) where they CB a lot%, and i use overcards, backdoors ,pocket pairs and gushots differently when i think he s polarized ou depolarized (it's quite difficult to have this read i believe so i often rely on youyr tips 60%= polarized, 70%=depolarized until i find the read)

i'm very suprised because in you live videos (ep 5 and 6) i did not see many "playbacks", raises or C/R...
So are these moves only for more agro players than the one in your videos (and maybe in my games) (probably higher stakes)?

thanks, have a nice day

hello i really like your serie

i worked your theory and i try to apply in my games (nl100/200) and i see improvements (will be sure with more hands)

3bet seems to work (but not with PP because i did not find a guy who 4bet a lot and fold to 5bet), CB seems ok, i take as many reads as possible.., i play more hands in "good spots" etc...

my real problem is the "playback vs a player who CB too much" (i would like to improve my winrate over regs)
often when i Raise or X/R he seems to have a strong hand...i do not understand because i do it vs players (and spots) where they CB a lot%, and i use overcards, backdoors ,pocket pairs and gushots differently when i think he s polarized ou depolarized (it's quite difficult to have this read i believe so i often rely on youyr tips 60%= polarized, 70%=depolarized until i find the read)

i'm very suprised because in you live videos (ep 5 and 6) i did not see many "playbacks", raises or C/R...
So are these moves only for more agro players than the one in your videos (and maybe in my games) (probably higher stakes)?

thanks, have a nice day

what does it mean when they c/r and you run into a strong hand? I'm sure there's no difference at higher stakes or lower stakes when someone cbets too much. Just because you are playing 100nl doesn't mean people auto flop the nuts more often with a wide preflop range compared to 1000nl.

If you go back and watch the theory part of videos, you will see that playing back vs cbets isn't only about raising them. I've said in the earlier videos that you shouldn't fold to cbets and find the most +EV line vs villains. My fold vs cbet in the session over 1.5k hands is only 30%. I think that's playing back plenty.

hi, thanks for your answer

well it's only a week that i m trying to use your serie (before i worked off tables because i was on hollyday), and it seems to me that i did not see often a fold when i playback agressively (i have not enough hands to try to find stats of %effciency), i runned into calls and raises most of times

don't you think than in ep 5 and 6 you did not find a lot of spots to playback and often play really honestly and folds vs their CB (even when they cb a lot)?

for CB too much you consider 60% overall stat too much, don't you? (because you gave tips that wihtout read we can consider that they CB polarized), of course we should also consider ranges preflop and board but we can start with these stats, and believe that someone who cb<60% is quite honest
do you agree ? because maybe im' not good at finding these spots

when i think he s polarized ou depolarized (it's quite difficult to have this read i believe so i often rely on youyr tips 60%= polarized, 70%=depolarized until i find the read)

I suggest you play less tables and pay attention. This is one of the easiest reads to develop because people are cbetting 70+% of the times when they raise preflop. You just need to pay attention.

I suggest you play less tables and pay attention. This is one of the easiest reads to develop because people are cbetting 70+% of the times when they raise preflop. You just need to pay attention.

well i could try while learning but i only play 4 tables, do you think it's too much?,
sometimes i find his hand but am not sure of the range that i should assign him

can you tell me if he s polarized or depolarized when he CB
1 over (not ace)
2 overs
A high
draws

can you tell us the composition of a polarized CB range and a depolarized one?

i try to answer....thanks to correct me if you don't give the solution yourself

polarized
He CB :
As a bluff
Air 0% equity
1 Overcard
2 overcard

For value
TPTK
Overpairss and better

He Checks :
Bottom paire
Middle paire
TP bad/ middle kiker
Flush draws
Openended
Gushtots


depolarized
He CB :
As bluff
nothing

for value
Bottom paire
Middle paire
TP bad/ middle kiker
TPTK
Overpairss and better
Flush draws
Openended
Gushtots

He Checks :
Air 0% equity
1 Overcard
2 overcard

thanks for your help

Cbetting polarized is when someone doesn't have medium strength hands in their range such as middle pair, top pair no kicker. Their range is air and strong made hands. Depolarized is when they cbet everything from air to middle pair to top pair. People who are depolarized is allowed to cbet air then his cbet will be like 33%. You don't need to separate his range like that either. air 1 over or 2 overs or 2 overs with BDFD all counts as air.

ok thanks for your patience,

to be clear, if you put 2 overs (=6 outs) in air you put also guthot in air category?, so a player who CB gtushot is polarized?

what about draws with 8 outs or better (open ended, naked flush draws, combos draws...), air too? a player who CB a naked FD 8 high is polarized?

so the key factor is medium hands ? does he CB medium hands or not:
if he CB medium hands (bottom pairs to TP bad kiker ) he's depolarized (but there are different levels of depolarization, the more air he CB the more depolarized he is, but will often will a CB stat of 70% and more)
is that true? so we have to look this category to take the read

great way for improvement

ok thanks for your patience,

to be clear, if you put 2 overs (=6 outs) in air you put also guthot in air category?, so a player who CB gtushot is polarized?

what about draws with 8 outs or better (open ended, naked flush draws, combos draws...), air too? a player who CB a naked FD 8 high is polarized?

so the key factor is medium hands ? does he CB medium hands or not:
if he CB medium hands (bottom pairs to TP bad kiker ) he's depolarized (but there are different levels of depolarization, the more air he CB the more depolarized he is, but will often will a CB stat of 70% and more)
is that true? so we have to look this category to take the read

great way for improvement

You need to stop thinking about absolute hand strength of made hands and think about equity/relative hands strength before you get to the river. It's good that you figured out 2 people who cbet polarized or depolarized with have different ranges too. Hence why we want unique ranges too when playing back vs cbets.

ok thanks i will rework that, (if possible put the accent on it when you comment)
have a nice day

Great video as expected.A few questions:

1) 1) At 4’22 top left table,44 hand.When he checks turn we assume he has SD value and so we c/f river.Did we assume he has SD value because it was a scare card and he did not bet???What if he checked back a 3 turn??

2) 2) At 5’45 bottom right table TT hand.When we bet turn our plan was to turn our hand into a bluff on a flush river.What if it is a blank???I frequently get lost in such spots on the river.

3) 3) At 16’14 top right table:K60 hand.Our plan was to stack of to raise.What if he called the flop.We are planning to db and commit ourselves right??I faces a similar hand:
Villain is 22/18 over 9k(datamined) hands.33% BTN open,68% f23b on btn.
39% f2cb in 3b pot.17% raise cbet.Af-2.2
WTSD-25%,WWSF-41

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($119)
Hero ($100)
UTG ($197)
CO ($103)
BTN ($100)

Dealt to Hero 9 K

fold, fold, BTN raises to $2.50, fold, Hero raises to $8, BTN calls $5.50

FLOP ($16.50) K J 2

Hero bets $8.25, BTN raises to $24, Hero???
I should stack of here and if called still continue double barreling??
4) 4) At 20 min 66 hand,on the river you suggested a fold or raise and didn’t mention about calling.Since this guy isn’t repping anything why didn’t we just call there???As you say,he cant really have a Q there,if he has a 9 then he isn’t folding to our raise.77-88 too look unlikely as he cant expect anything better to fold to his half pot bet.So are we raising to solely push him off Jx???

5) 7) At 1 hr 01 min Top right table Q8o hand-why bet the river there after the fish already c/c the turn???The river card is not at all scary for him.

Thanks in advance.

Great video as expected.A few questions:

1) 1) At 4’22 top left table,44 hand.When he checks turn we assume he has SD value and so we c/f river.Did we assume he has SD value because it was a scare card and he did not bet???What if he checked back a 3 turn??

I'd bet the river in that spot. Our goal should be to put the villain on a range and then figure out the highest EV line like I said in the previous episodes so don't I'm not betting the river vs every single villain.

2) 2) At 5’45 bottom right table TT hand.When we bet turn our plan was to turn our hand into a bluff on a flush river.What if it is a blank???I frequently get lost in such spots on the river.

Again put villain on a range and decide if you want to turn your hand into a bluff on bunch of other river cards. I'd probably bet any overcard and any flush vs this particular villain.

3) 3) At 16’14 top right table:K60 hand.Our plan was to stack of to raise.What if he called the flop.We are planning to db and commit ourselves right??

not double barreling if called as a default vs unknowns since I can't get 3 streets and no idea about their calling range on the turn. Your hand just showed a bunch of stats and impossible to figure out whats the best line. Stop putting so much value into stats and waste money on datamined hands.

4) 4) At 20 min 66 hand,on the river you suggested a fold or raise and didn’t mention about calling.Since this guy isn’t repping anything why didn’t we just call there???As you say,he cant really have a Q there,if he has a 9 then he isn’t folding to our raise.77-88 too look unlikely as he cant expect anything better to fold to his half pot bet.So are we raising to solely push him off Jx???

He's repping thin value which is more than Jx you should never ever ever call when villain reps thin value bet and your hand looks like the intended target.

5) 7) At 1 hr 01 min Top right table Q8o hand-why bet the river there after the fish already c/c the turn???The river card is not at all scary for him.
Thanks in advance.

He's repping a weak hand and fish can fold weak hands. We bet small to figure out what he folds and what he calls with so we can play those spots better in the future.

hey thnx man.

Yep thats when iso Axs and pairs then reshipping on those guys is pretty sexy... Since they prolly need AQ plus to call and we block a few combos huh?... maybe spewy but im sure it cant be that bad!

It's terrible, do the math.

assuming we have ~30% when called we need villain to fold >64% of the time

assuming villain calls with 77+,AJs+,AQo+ out of 15% range, we are short of 6% fold precentage

since we rarely see a player who will reraise us with this wide of a range it becomes even more bad

edit:

actually with us having the A blocker, it doesnt seem terrible

AA-77,AKo-ATo,KQo-KTo,QJo-QTo,JTo,AKs-ATs,KQs-KTs,QJs-QTs,JTs
189 combos pre

AA-77,AKo-AQo,AKs-ATs
75 combos he calls with

which means he folds 60% still short of about 4%

assuming we have ~30% when called we need villain to fold >64% of the time

assuming villain calls with 77+,AJs+,AQo+ out of 15% range, we are short of 6% fold precentage

since we rarely see a player who will reraise us with this wide of a range it becomes even more bad

edit:

actually with us having the A blocker, it doesnt seem terrible

AA-77,AKo-ATo,KQo-KTo,QJo-QTo,JTo,AKs-ATs,KQs-KTs,QJs-QTs,JTs
189 combos pre

AA-77,AKo-AQo,AKs-ATs
75 combos he calls with

which means he folds 60% still short of about 4%

It makes very little for someone to call a shove with suited hand but fold off suit like call AJs but fold AJo. Suited hands has 2% equity in all in situations vs off suit hands and there are 16 combos of off suit vs 4 combos of suited. AJo also has more equity than ATs so makes no sense to fold 16 combos of AJo but call 4 combos of ATs.

AJo also has more equity than ATs so makes no sense to fold 16 combos of AJo but call 4 combos of ATs.

that was actually a mistake by me

but nonetheless i wanted to see how bad it looks (with AJo he folds 55% of the time)

btw does it make sense to put half of AJ combos to rep a uncertainty about what he does with it ? i mean that im not 100% certiain that he will call with those, and im not 100% certain he will fold


oh and good series, i hope there will be more of u playing live or HH review in near future (mainly interpteting showdowns and non SD lines of villain)

btw does it make sense to put half of AJ combos to rep a uncertainty about what he does with it ? i mean that im not 100% certiain that he will call with those, and im not 100% certain he will fold

Yes, you can do that to estimate equity vs villain's range. Also there is a none 0 chance that the villain for whatever reason is out of his comfort zone and doing something that doesn't make sense.

I believe your strategie is off against "eithehutt5", or he is running like god, or is pretty clear he is making plays on you.

Time Link to 00:52:02

Would there be any river cards you wouldn t jam?

Would there be any river cards you wouldn t jam?

I'd jam every river unless the top card pairs and doesn't bring a flush.

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Blah u say that its a standart cbet on that flop (3bet 3way) but you didnt bet it. Why?

Blah u say that its a standart cbet on that flop (3bet 3way) but you didnt bet it. Why?

I didn't becaues the one guy has almost no money left so no one will try to bluff at the pot.

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Definitely live videos. U can see the table dynamics and better understand the though process and the concrete application of the reads you developed.
New series soon?
Love to see more on NL100/200

Time Link to 01:10:59

Well on that shove and since this video is about developing and applying reads you pick , earlier on the video ( 0:39 ) you played a hand vs him where he dbarrels on paired board (K22Q) and you call 2 times with top pair, can you assume any generic lines ( that we know to be wrong but 99% of the players are auto-piloting at some point) about his behavior? Dbarrels air/weak made hand and slow plays monsters?
I mean, it doesnt make much sense his line.
Also, when you bet the river and since u assume that hes not bluffing, do you expect him to call you JJ, QQ, KK? or since you have so much showdown value and you didnt bet the turn when cheked too, can he miss assume that you are weak and try to bluff you out of your hand? When he raises your river bet is his range only AA and AK? I mean, thats a pretty dumb way to play them.

Well on that shove and since this video is about developing and applying reads you pick , earlier on the video ( 0:39 ) you played a hand vs him where he dbarrels on paired board (K22Q) and you call 2 times with top pair, can you assume any generic lines ( that we know to be wrong but 99% of the players are auto-piloting at some point) about his behavior? Dbarrels air/weak made hand and slow plays monsters?
I mean, it doesnt make much sense his line.
Also, when you bet the river and since u assume that hes not bluffing, do you expect him to call you JJ, QQ, KK? or since you have so much showdown value and you didnt bet the turn when cheked too, can he miss assume that you are weak and try to bluff you out of your hand? When he raises your river bet is his range only AA and AK? I mean, thats a pretty dumb way to play them.

It doesn't matter if it's dumb or doesn't make sense to you. Applying our own logic to the villain is a leak since they don't think the same way as us. Developing reads is to figure out how the specific villain thinks and plays.

New series soon?
Love to see more on NL100/200

definitely +1 (the same for grindcore) or 200/400

definitely +1 (the same for grindcore) or 200/400

Wow I feel the love guys, my current series with FWF is not over and you guys are looking for new series already. Best thing for anyone who wants to see more videos from me is just to put in request through DC or post in the research and development forums. They're the ones that gets to decide on content.

Can you link yours HUD stats plz?

Can you link yours HUD stats plz?

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/12471-Episode-Five

Time Link to 00:43:48

What are yours criterias for stacking off vs. bad shortstackers with 20,30, 40 and 50bb OTF, equitywise as a rule of thumb?

thx..

What are yours criterias for stacking off vs. bad shortstackers with 20,30, 40 and 50bb OTF, equitywise as a rule of thumb?

thx..

no rule of thumb. Do EV calculations is the only way to beat SS. Don't be lazy

no rule of thumb. Do EV calculations is the only way to beat SS. Don't be lazy

+1 ;-)

@ 39.40 into the Episode

We have second pair on the river and the guy pots it. You say that when hes potting you only bluff catch with the top of your range.
Why is it relevant if we are on top off our range?
Isnt he reppin nuts or air, so our hand is less relevant. What matters is if we think he is bluffing or not?

@ 39.40 into the Episode

We have second pair on the river and the guy pots it. You say that when hes potting you only bluff catch with the top of your range.
Why is it relevant if we are on top off our range?
Isnt he reppin nuts or air, so our hand is less relevant. What matters is if we think he is bluffing or not?

How do we know how often villain is bluffing compared to value betting even if he's polarized? Just because villain reps polarized range to you doesn't mean his actual range is polarized. When we have no idea about villain's bluffing tendencies, we bluff catch with the top of our range to prevent ourselves from spewing too much and from being exploited by the villain.

Doing anything else is an exploitive play when we know more about villain's tendencies.

So by calling with the top of our range becomes more of a question about frequency, so that we dont call too often in that spot?

So by calling with the top of our range becomes more of a question about frequency, so that we dont call too often in that spot?

This and prevents us from being value towned if villain's range happens to be not polarized.

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So based on your comment here (listen immediately after the timestamp), what rivers would you bet a third barrel on? Or did I misunderstand what you were implying?

About the river check fold I feel like that's usually what I'd do in the moment, but after looking at the math I think a call may be +EV or super close even with a realistic range assignment - for example I was including things like A2-A5cc, QT, QQ+, sets 44,55,TT, 87hh (basically all value combos) and of course bluffs comprised mostly of Axhh and one or two suited connectors that missed like J9hh or 89hh. He is 22/11/4 or so it seems so I'm not sure what types of hands he's raising, but he seems to be pretty OK with flatting/limping, presumably with marginals. The exact range I used copied and pasted from PStove (sorry its a bit disorganized, but that's how PStove is outputting it):

AdAh,AdAs,AhAs,KdKh,KdKs,KhKs,QdQs,QhQs,TdTs,55-44,
AcJc,AhJh,Ac9c,Ah9h,Ac8c,Ah8h,Ah7h,Ah6h,Ac5c,Ac4c,Ac3c,Ah3h,Ac2c,Ah2h,
KhJh,Jh9h,9h8h,8h7h,QTo,QdTd,QsTs

Equity: 27% (need 33% - yes I realize this is -EV as it stands, but read on)

First a note: This range isn't supposed to be "everything" - the idea behind this range is to give him about the minimum number of bluffs he can have while including almost every value hand.

Now... If/when you start discounting some of his bigger value hands like sets or 2 pair it quickly gets a lot better for us....... the argument I think is that he just doesn't *always* slowplay a set or 2 pair past the turn. He may often put in a raise before the river (ie on flop or turn) because the board is so wet and we have a lot of chips behind. I think the natural reaction by the vast majority of players is to at least be raising the turn with a big made hand to protect against the rather large number of possible draws, get value and just get money into the pot so the river can be a bigger bet. So we really could discount a decent number of his big hands and then things very quickly get +EV for us. We're also assuming that he floats the flop some of the time with a hand like A9, and he may not be the type of player that would do that (he limped in preflop which tends to signify that he's trying to hit the flop well).

Also, can we say for certain that he pots with 2 pair or a set on the river? It's a situation where we can say "well he should know he is never beat" but that doesn't necessarily mean he bets pot because a lot of the time its just going to scare us away. So in addition to the analysis knowing that its pretty close, we might be able to look at the pot size bet (given the action and the board texture) and be a little more comfortable check/calling. I'm not saying I would check call any bet, what I'm saying is that this particular sizing makes me want to call more in a relative sense.

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QT hand on table 2 on the K752 board. After raising the flop you bet $22 into $36.50 and you comment there is no need to bet any bigger -- in fact you seem to imply that betting bigger, like 3/4 pot, would be a mistake.

I wonder if you could say a bit more about this. When you raise this flop you're not repping all that much. AK / KK would obviously have 3bet preflop, so you have a lot more flush draws and air in your range than value hands (sets and two pair). So when you barrel smallish on the turn it seems to me your range seems completely transparent as being of the former type. I mean, if you *did* have a set on the flop, given that your raise got called *and* that there are now two flush draws on the board, would you not be betting a lot closer to pot on the turn??

Often I'm in villain's shoes in a spot like this, say holding AK or KQ, and I see my opponent make a weak turn bet, I will shove over his turn barrel and get a ton of folds, or sometimes get called by a weak draw that I'm well ahead of. Players with sets or two pairs will either bet close to pot on the turn or even shove fearing to get sucked out on.

So my question is: wouldn't it be better to bomb the turn to properly rep a value hand? (I believe in another video, this was called the WiltOnTilt bread-and-butter play: raise a FD on the flop and if called, shove the turn. Very hard for an opponent to call without a very strong hand.)

Thanks for your time!

QT hand on table 2 on the K752 board. After raising the flop you bet $22 into $36.50 and you comment there is no need to bet any bigger -- in fact you seem to imply that betting bigger, like 3/4 pot, would be a mistake.

I wonder if you could say a bit more about this. When you raise this flop you're not repping all that much. AK / KK would obviously have 3bet preflop, so you have a lot more flush draws and air in your range than value hands (sets and two pair). So when you barrel smallish on the turn it seems to me your range seems completely transparent as being of the former type. I mean, if you *did* have a set on the flop, given that your raise got called *and* that there are now two flush draws on the board, would you not be betting a lot closer to pot on the turn??

I don't try to bluff people of TPGK or better hands that's spew. We don't need to bet bigger and why can't we raise TP? We can shove the river with any bet sizing and people have same misconception as you and will blindly shove their TP and save me the rest of my stack when I would of bluff the river and get stacked when I have a better hand anyways. I really don't see why we need to bet bigger. Even if bombing the turn properly reps a value hand why does it matter? Only thing matter is the EV of our line so what if villain folds more to a bigger bet? It doesn't automatically make our line higher EV.

Bet sizing is really complex topic in poker and too long to explain fully in a forum post. Generally for bet sizing we want to manipulate villain into doing what we want them to do. In this hand I want them to shove with made hands and call with weak hands so I can have super easy fold on turn and profitable shove on the river.

Often I'm in villain's shoes in a spot like this, say holding AK or KQ, and I see my opponent make a weak turn bet, I will shove over his turn barrel and get a ton of folds, or sometimes get called by a weak draw that I'm well ahead of. Players with sets or two pairs will either bet close to pot on the turn or even shove fearing to get sucked out on.

So my question is: wouldn't it be better to bomb the turn to properly rep a value hand? (I believe in another video, this was called the WiltOnTilt bread-and-butter play: raise a FD on the flop and if called, shove the turn. Very hard for an opponent to call without a very strong hand.)

Thanks for your time!

Why don't need to bet any bigger with any hand. I'm not trying to bluff people of TPGK or better, that's suicidal. Even if we can better rep a value hand to the villain when we bet big so what? We're not trying to win pots, our goal is to have the highest EV for our line. Even if bigger bets get more folds doesn't mean EV of bigger bet is higher.

Bet sizing is one of the more complex and not very well understood topic in NLHM. It's too long to explain in a forum post but general idea is to achieve best leverage and manipulating villain into doing what we want.

Betting small here is obv better leverage as we can shove the river anyways if villain calls with a wide range. It also manipulates villain who does not understand range construction into doing exactly what we want. Like your post, they are scared of being sucked out so they shove their good hands and think they're priced in so they call with weaker range. Villain just saved us the rest of our stack when he shoved if we're bluffing and gets stacked by our value range anyways. We also have a super profitable shove on the river when villain doesn't shove. I really don't see why we need to bet bigger, it's not like villain can instantly continue with a wider range and be +EV against our range.

Sorry, there's a mistake in the time link above for some reason -- it should be 51:00.

Why don't need to bet any bigger with any hand. I'm not trying to bluff people of TPGK or better, that's suicidal. Even if we can better rep a value hand to the villain when we bet big so what? We're not trying to win pots, our goal is to have the highest EV for our line. Even if bigger bets get more folds doesn't mean EV of bigger bet is higher.

Bet sizing is one of the more complex and not very well understood topic in NLHM. It's too long to explain in a forum post but general idea is to achieve best leverage and manipulating villain into doing what we want.

Betting small here is obv better leverage as we can shove the river anyways if villain calls with a wide range. It also manipulates villain who does not understand range construction into doing exactly what we want. Like your post, they are scared of being sucked out so they shove their good hands and think they're priced in so they call with weaker range. Villain just saved us the rest of our stack when he shoved if we're bluffing and gets stacked by our value range anyways. We also have a super profitable shove on the river when villain doesn't shove. I really don't see why we need to bet bigger, it's not like villain can instantly continue with a wider range and be +EV against our range.

Thanks Blah. I understand what you say but I respectfully disagree that a small betsize is more +EV than a larger one (even taking into account the river shove when called on the turn). In terms of hand reading, I think it's much easier for villain to understand or guess what we are up to when we bet slightly over 1/2-pot on the turn than when we bet 3/4 or more. And if villain does correctly peg us on a bluff or a draw, our whole line is quite -EV.

But then again, I haven't exactly won $100K last year...

You should 3 bet more depolarized as stacks get deeper because villain are more likely to call then stack off. You can also have a range for calling 4 bets with enough stack depth. Yes, I will generally 3 bet more often IP vs someone because stack depth amplifies positional advantage if you are willing to make a move for your whole stack sometimes.

If thats the case why do you say in the video that you will start calling AQ and TT when deeper then? Doesn't that leave you with a very tight 3betting range? Or do you only 3bet those hands IP? Seems to me you can still 3bet AQ TT, and just fold or call his 4bet instead of stacking off unless villain is either really tight preflop, or you're OOP and villain is very aggro postflop.

If thats the case why do you say in the video that you will start calling AQ and TT when deeper then? Doesn't that leave you with a very tight 3betting range? Or do you only 3bet those hands IP? Seems to me you can still 3bet AQ TT, and just fold or call his 4bet instead of stacking off unless villain is either really tight preflop, or you're OOP and villain is very aggro postflop.

3bet those IP is theoretically the correct play. OOP with deep stacks is painful with 1 pair hands. Calling 4 bets is, again you got the same problems OOP of play for huge pot with marginal hands. 3bet and folding those hands vs 4bets is bad because then we will be folding way too much unless we 3 bet with very tight ranges.

People don't really know how to use position well at small stakes which is why I recommend not 3betting those type of hands and having to fold to a 4bet.

Most players

3bet those IP is theoretically the correct play. OOP with deep stacks is painful with 1 pair hands. Calling 4 bets is, again you got the same problems OOP of play for huge pot with marginal hands. 3bet and folding those hands vs 4bets is bad because then we will be folding way too much unless we 3 bet with very tight ranges.

People don't really know how to use position well at small stakes which is why I recommend not 3betting those type of hands and having to fold to a 4bet.

Most players

Yeah ok, but thats assuming you will get 4bet a ton, which is probably not the case. In my experience people prefer calling 3bets when deeper, so when you do get 4bet its most likely going to be a very strong range anyway. In that case its probably better to fold vs the 4bet then, obviously the call was only mentioned cause you mentioned it before I still think folding would probably be better. In a way its similar to your reasoning for 3betting a hand like AQo vs an UTG range, you still expect them to call your bets with a weaker range but, once you do get 4bet you fold because their general 4betting range will be extremely strong.

Also going back to your previous statement about the depolarized range, what kind of range would you recommend then to 3bet in that case?

similar to your reasoning for 3betting a hand like AQo vs an UTG range, you still expect them to call your bets with a weaker range but, once you do get 4bet you fold because their general 4betting range will be extremely strong.

Also going back to your previous statement about the depolarized range, what kind of range would you recommend then to 3bet in that case?

This is not why we 3bet/fold vs UTG opener with AQ. We do it because AQ is not in the top x% of our range that we need to shove in order to make villain's 4bet bluffs -EV. When we shove AQ we're exploiting the villain and not defending vs 4bets which is too much of an assumption to make vs unknown. We also don't expect villain to call with a weaker range, we expect to win the pot often enough and have decent equtiy vs the calling range, if villian has one, for the 3bet to be higher EV than calling.

I recommend 3betting fairly polarized and with a tight range deep OOP like 6%-7% range unless you know how to play better than your opponents postflop.

I'm guessing you say polarized, because it's easier to play postflop, then change up to depolarized if you think you can outplay your opponent?

I'm guessing you say polarized, because it's easier to play postflop, then change up to depolarized if you think you can outplay your opponent?

I think it will be higher EV to call than to 3 bet alot of the "depolarized" part of our range. Unless we're comfortable deep OOP. We would 3bet hands that are -EV to call.