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An interesting video. Like the last episode, I would have liked you to look at what you do differently IP v OOP.
Also would like a slide for the Baluga hand.
Amazing video. Theory video's are the best imo.
Very nice video. Will love to see you playing live =)
An interesting video. Like the last episode, I would have liked you to look at what you do differently IP v OOP.
Also would like a slide for the Baluga hand.
Thank you for your suggestions
I decided not to cover how to use position in this series as it is a more advanced concept which involves range constructing ranges for few different scenarios. To explain why we use different range IP and OOP would open up a new can of worms. I can maybe explain it in a different series in the future.
Thank you for your suggestions
I decided not to cover how to use position in this series as it is a more advanced concept which involves range constructing ranges for few different scenarios. To explain why we use different range IP and OOP would open up a new can of worms. I can maybe explain it in a different series in the future.
That''s quite unfortunate. For a clear example why, look at the 3betting war issue. It's quite reasonable (especially when deep) to have a "flat 3bet" range IP, and not have one OOP. Your treatment of the subject doesn't really address this.
As a viewer (and admirer) of this series, it is hard to apply the theory correctly without examples. I'm not so concerned for myself on the issue of 3bet wars, since I consider myself to have a good conceptual framework for this subject, but I lack this for the cbetting and counter-cbetting material in this video.
Maybe the live-play will fix this, but I would have thought that a theory series would work better as an educational aid with pre-chosen example hands than live play.
To explain why we use different range IP and OOP would open up a new can of worms. I can maybe explain it in a different series in the future.
This is hard to understand. I'm risking money based on what you are telling me, but you're only telling me half the answer? If it takes two episodes (one IP, the other OOP) to cover 3betting or cbetting properly, I'm sure the DC community can accept that.
I love this series. you are certainly a first class pedagog. The clarity of ur thought process is testomony to finely tuned poker mind. I love your work.
ps I love your books too, the poker blue print and exploiting regulars. And anyone who quotes Bruce Lee has got to be alright in my opinion!
how do we do the math to figure out if calling is better than 3 betting EV wise IE: a very loose player on btn who calls 3 bets wide you have KJ or AJ maybe even AQ and say a fish is in BB when your in SB.
seems like i can win more often with the 3 bet and c bet but would playing a 3 way pot oop with 2 mega fish be more profitable???
how do we do the math to figure out if calling is better than 3 betting EV wise IE: a very loose player on btn who calls 3 bets wide you have KJ or AJ maybe even AQ and say a fish is in BB when your in SB.
seems like i can win more often with the 3 bet and c bet but would playing a 3 way pot oop with 2 mega fish be more profitable???
You can compare EV of different lines given a set of assumptions and ranges using cardrunner EV model. It's impossible to figure out the exact EV since that would solve NLHM but you can see how assumptions and ranges affect the EV of different lines and then take your best guess during game with that knowledge.
Epic video! At SSNL everyone is quite solid at the preflop war but most regs including me are not comftable at playing back at notorious cbettors. I'm wondering if you could make the live video on 4handed tables where the blind wars are so prevalent
i have another question about atacking c bets what if villain is c betting his whole range on certain board textures? how would we combat that would we never fold or would we rather bluff raise and call with medium strength hands???
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So I see so many guys floating to CRs in my games. I rarely ever CR too, so clearly I do this for value to but since they float so light to them dont you think I should barrel more? Or is that gonna get spewy when villian decides to hero call with MP or ace high. Like I have a guy who opens 84 percent on BTN hes a reg. Should I be CR bluffing him alot and firing alot of turns? I sometimes chicken out in these spots because I feel i get hero called way to much. Ty for any response to this... Great series BTW ![]()
what if a villain raises pre and he chcks back top set can we garner any info on if hes more likly polaryzed or depolaryzed?
I also wanna know if I'm understanding this correctly. I been thinking about how you can exploit these strategies and how you can exploit the strategies you use to exploit these strategies... if that makes ane sense, I pulled a guy from my db and I know he bets a depolaryzed range. Does this mean I can call him with a very wide rang and fold when he bets? And from what I got from da vid is your saying to counter what I do is polaryze your c betting range? And for me to counter a counter like that is to flat with value range and bluff raise air but dnt bet when he chcks? And for him to counter me he would be forced to play back with a very wide weak range too often and once he does that I should play solid and race top pair hands and big hand along with huge draws for stax??? Sorry its a long post but I wanna make sure I'm not gonna take this to the felt and spew like a monkey...
i have another question about atacking c bets what if villain is c betting his whole range on certain board textures? how would we combat that would we never fold or would we rather bluff raise and call with medium strength hands???
yes you would call with things ahead of his cbetting range and be prepared to bluff catch. Bluff raise a tone and be extremely aggro because villain's range cannot take any heat.
So I see so many guys floating to CRs in my games. I rarely ever CR too, so clearly I do this for value to but since they float so light to them dont you think I should barrel more? Or is that gonna get spewy when villian decides to hero call with MP or ace high. Like I have a guy who opens 84 percent on BTN hes a reg. Should I be CR bluffing him alot and firing alot of turns? I sometimes chicken out in these spots because I feel i get hero called way to much. Ty for any response to this... Great series BTW
Yes you should either fire many second barrels or if they just don't like folding, you should adjust your preflop range and c/r for value like I said in the video.
Say I was in da blinds and da guy c bets a depolaryzed range would a good counter be to d
onk bet since he's not betting air? So I can get gim to fold air?
Also you said if there c betting 50% to 60% than that's when its ok to use these strategies??? Where you said that when there c betting that often there full of shit. But correct me if I'm wrong but isn't 50% to 60% usually optimal I know villain it deppends on a lot, but in general are you saying its not optimal vs how your advicating we play? And would da counter for them to do is pot control more and polaryze out c bet range???
Say I was in da blinds and da guy c bets a depolaryzed range would a good counter be to d
onk bet since he's not betting air? So I can get gim to fold air?
why would it be good to donk if he's not cbetting air? Why don't you wait until he tells you that he has air before you bluff?
Also you said if there c betting 50% to 60% than that's when its ok to use these strategies??? Where you said that when there c betting that often there full of shit. But correct me if I'm wrong but isn't 50% to 60% usually optimal I know villain it deppends on a lot, but in general are you saying its not optimal vs how your advicating we play? And would da counter for them to do is pot control more and polaryze out c bet range???
I said in the video that you should not cbet too much if people are playing back at your cbets with reasonable frequency. There's not such thing as a optimal cbet % because if someone is folding you should be cbetting 100% and if they're not folding ever you should bet thin for value.
Ok thanx the wnd one made sense but the other post about donking out was the fact that I'm thinking if he's just gonna chck back with air wouldn't it be a good idea to donk bet. But I'm guessing no cuz its hard to ballance a check raising range and donk betting range at the same time right?
cuz its hard to ballance a check raising range and donk betting range at the same time right?
this is true but not the main reaso we dont' donk and we don't want to be balanced most of the times anyways. Balance is break even poker. We only want to donk if villain has a reasonable checking back range which has decent equity vs you. If villain only checks back air then we want to bet after he checks (tells us he has air) instead of leading into his complete range which has air and value hands.
It's not difficult to balance a leading range and a check/raising range for the same reason it's not difficult to balance a 4betting range a call 3bet IP range, because your value hands are not necessarily assigned to one range or the other. As long as you varry your play by moving your value hands in between your lines and adjusti to your opponent's tendencies accordingly, balancing two lines with two ranges on the same board texture versus the same bet size at the same time is pointless. It's the "he can't have a set on the river because he would've raised it on the flop" fallacy all over, if your opponent is adjusting to your properly or he is randomizing his play then your interpretation of "balance" is backwards.
@ slowjoe
Adjusting your flop raising range in position is easy, you're just going to polarize your flop raising range between value hands, coin flips and air assuming your villains 3bet AI as a standard and then depolarize your flop raising range once you see them call your raises OOP. You'll also "float" over cards with back door flush draws vs. opponent's who double/tripple barrel scare cards rather than lead or check/raise them OOP given floating is usually -EV out of position.
Pretty decent Video all in all Blah, you may want to spend more time speaking about more unorthodox OOP lines than check/raising and check/calling tho' (I think leading has kind of been done and isn't really a secret anymore at least in HU)
Sorry if this question sounds dumb. But like I believe blah said most people havnt thought about post flop much. I wanted to know what a depolaryzed flop raising range is that TPTK+? And what if they only call the raise and fold turn to often should I raise air more and bet turn and flat tptk or should I still raise tptk sets and some bluffs? Because it seems my opponents seem to call my raises one street and fold. turn to often. Or say I do have a coin flip your saying if they call than I shouldn't raise often, or say should I bet turn if I raised my coin flip and they call flop. Because those spots make me think I should chck back unless an over card hits the turn... thee are spots that I don't know how to procede and if the over card hits turn and I bet what size should I bet? Should I bet an amount that commigts me? And how much is it till I'm comitted? Sorry for all my long posts but I would like all these questions answered if some one will so I can paint a clear picture on how to construct a proper post flop strategy... thanx this is helping me alot
Well a Polarized Flop Raising Range IP is composed of 3 sub-ranges, sub-range #1 is two pair and sets, sub-range #2 is draws with showdown value i.e. an A high flush draw or a pair, flush draw combo or draws with enough pot equity to call an AI on the flop i.e. a 15 to 12 out straight, flush draw combo, and sub-range #3 is air with marginal redraw and blocking value i.e. Axss with A high and a back door flush draw for example.
At 100bb stacks, a raise vs Cbet usually indicates a 3bet AI or fold decision on wet board textures, for example 863shs, so when you distribute your range you do not want to raise with hands that have enough pot equity to call a Cbet but do not have enough pot equity to call a 3bet AI. On dry board textures, for example A64r, opponents aren't as likely to 3bet AI the flop so you can begin to depolarize your flop raising range with hands like AQ or 78s where opponent's can and will call your Raise Flop Cbet and you can leverage your marginal Ace for value or check behind your straight draw for a free street of equity if you so choose.
As far as playing the turn, no one can tell you how to play the turn because it depends on your opponent's lines. Vs. an opponent who bet/calls flops and check/raises turns betting with draws that can't call an AI is a mistake, but vs. opponent's who bet/call flops and check/fold turns it's fine and vs. opponent's who bet/call flops and lead turns you can either call or shove with your first two sub-ranges as you see fit.
The other questions, honestly, you need to do your own home work on but over cards in Raise Flop Cbet IP pots mean a lot less than they do in check/raised pots with the exception of the Ace.
Sorry if this question sounds dumb. But like I believe blah said most people havnt thought about post flop much. I wanted to know what a depolaryzed flop raising range is that TPTK+? And what if they only call the raise and fold turn to often should I raise air more and bet turn and flat tptk or should I still raise tptk sets and some bluffs? Because it seems my opponents seem to call my raises one street and fold. turn to often. Or say I do have a coin flip your saying if they call than I shouldn't raise often, or say should I bet turn if I raised my coin flip and they call flop. Because those spots make me think I should chck back unless an over card hits the turn... thee are spots that I don't know how to procede and if the over card hits turn and I bet what size should I bet? Should I bet an amount that commigts me? And how much is it till I'm comitted? Sorry for all my long posts but I would like all these questions answered if some one will so I can paint a clear picture on how to construct a proper post flop strategy... thanx this is helping me alot
Most of your questions are impossible to answer. If anyone had the answer to them then NLHM would be solved. Everything depends on villain's tendencies and their range so it's different vs each player. Watch the next episode on reads and some guidelines on how to use reads. Reads will help you figure out the answers to those questions yourself.
Ok thanx you guys are a big help... btw great series and I think my questions and responses to my questions helped me out with a better and more clear thought process, although they are impossible to answer and I didn't know that, but the convos back and forth helped me out making me question me and derive more questioning on home work I can do to impove. Pretty much it was more of some thing I wanted to know, to make sure I am on the right track. Hopfully any one who reads the comments might be able to learn from it also. Thanx to all and I'm deffinatly gonna watch the full series.
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I don't know why most coaches didn't cut the audio and remake just that part when they said something which is wrong or confusing.
cool video, almost like some aha moments in here...that help explain a flawed thought process to great one. Really like how u explain what ranges we can use to x/r vs a polarized and depolarized c-bettor. Almost seems like poker can be very profitable and exploitable when u know if villian is polarized or depolarized...
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I just want to make sure I understand this- we want to flat suited connectors in the blinds against weak ranges in BTN/CO for the purpose of semi bluffing with draws/low pairs/2 pairs against these ranges?
I just want to make sure I understand this- we want to flat suited connectors in the blinds against weak ranges in BTN/CO for the purpose of semi bluffing with draws/low pairs/2 pairs against these ranges?
We want to apply lots of pressure to weak ranges with any amount of equity that we flop.
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I'm a little confused by this
If villain is more likely to raise than call shouldn't we bet betting a polarized range? Or are you saying specifically, if villain is more likely to raise than fold or call then we should take this line...
nevermind. Covered in the next slide ;-)
Hi.Really enjoying your vids.A few doubts:
At 11'35 - You said that distribute your air on the flop,turn and river.I Didnt understand it.Can you please give an example for it.
I forgot to note the time for this but i think its ok since its theory anyways.....As i understand it "We c/r hands like gs,weak pairs etc(vs polarised cbet range) becoz we are not going to fire more bluff barrels on later streets.Reason is since he has a polarised range he will fold his air to our c/r so when we calls he has a very strong range"So what to do if we have something like the nfd or maybe non nut flush draw????are we semibluffing or simply c/c??I think we should c/c because we dont want to get raised of our equity but not sure.
Thanks in advance.
Hi.Really enjoying your vids.A few doubts:
At 11'35 - You said that distribute your air on the flop,turn and river.I Didnt understand it.Can you please give an example for it.
I forgot to note the time for this but i think its ok since its theory anyways.....As i understand it "We c/r hands like gs,weak pairs etc(vs polarised cbet range) becoz we are not going to fire more bluff barrels on later streets.Reason is since he has a polarised range he will fold his air to our c/r so when we calls he has a very strong range"So what to do if we have something like the nfd or maybe non nut flush draw????are we semibluffing or simply c/c??I think we should c/c because we dont want to get raised of our equity but not sure.
Thanks in advance.
We construct our ranges where we put some air into each street, have a relatively balanced c/c, c/f and betting ranges for each street. The result is you don't have very air heavy ranges such as those who open 50% on the button then cbet 80% of the time. Details on how to construct ranges is fairly complicated.
I don't consider hands with lots of equity vs villain's range a bluff. What is the difference between TP and GS and NFD? When you answer that question be able to answer you own question.
We construct our ranges where we put some air into each street, have a relatively balanced c/c, c/f and betting ranges for each street. The result is you don't have very air heavy ranges such as those who open 50% on the button then cbet 80% of the time. Details on how to construct ranges is fairly complicated.
I don't consider hands with lots of equity vs villain's range a bluff. What is the difference between TP and GS and NFD? When you answer that question be able to answer you own question.
hey thnx.As for 'lots of equity' how much equity are we referring to??I guess >35%(since we can add FE to strengthen the PE+FE value).As for your question on whats the difference between TP,GS and NFD i think it defends on their equity.eg. On a certain flop vs a certain range if TP and NFD has same equity then there is no difference in their strength.Its just the hand that has more equity at the moment that is more strong irrespective of whether it is an A hi fd or a TP.So i think if we plan to c/c with a TP hand vs a polarised cbet range then we should do the same with a fd.I hope what i am saying makes sense and is correct.Please correct me if i am wrong..
.As for your question on whats the difference between TP,GS and NFD i think it defends on their equity..
This, only difference between hands are their equity vs a range that continues. Equity is relative to people's ranges which is why absolute hand strength is meaningless most of the times and we should look at relative hand strength. Before you get to showdown it doesn't matter what your hand strength is.
Do you rather have NFD or bottom set when you get minraised on the flop? What if villains' range is sets only?
Do you rather have NFD or bottom set when you get minraised on the flop? What if villains' range is sets only?
When i get raised on some flop then i think a set is better because it always has a great equity against a raiser's range of sets,fd,bluffs.If villains range is sets only then we have to fold our bottom set as we are dead against his range.If his range is wider then a set is better as his fd's,tp are all behind us.
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On te button he is folding 88% to 3bets.
I think It's good to 3bet polorised. AAKKQQ- and Kxs-Jxs-Qxs-Kxo-A2o-A8o.
He is cbetting 88%. and the turn 40%. Do you like rais a lot of flops or float flop and bet river when he checks turn?
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On te button he is folding 88% to 3bets.
I think It's good to 3bet polorised. AAKKQQ- and Kxs-Jxs-Qxs-Kxo-A2o-A8o.
What if you kept getting dealt 72o instead of AAKKQQ- and Kxs-Jxs-Qxs-Kxo-A2o-A8o when he opens the button?
raise flop or call flop depends on your hand and how much do you want to see a turn card.
I think I will 3bet also then, but Isn't is bad to 3bet any hand. I think when i 3bet him any hand he will quickly pick that up, but when I 3bet him whit a range like Qxo Qxs Jxo Jxs Kxo Kxo Axo Axs he don't pick that up and will fold(this range is also like 18%.
I think I will 3bet also then, but Isn't is bad to 3bet any hand. I think when i 3bet him any hand he will quickly pick that up, but when I 3bet him whit a range like Qxo Qxs Jxo Jxs Kxo Kxo Axo Axs he don't pick that up and will fold(this range is also like 18%.
How will villain pick up on your actual range? Just because you 3bet once even if he sees it then 72o may be in your perceived range but you don't need to have it in your actual range again.
If it's higher EV to 3 bet than fold or call then you should 3bet. Having static 3 betting range doesn't make sense because we don't control the order in which we get dealt hands. You can keep getting dealt hands in Qxo Qxs Jxo Jxs Kxo Kxo Axo Axs when villain opens but does that mean you should 3bet him with Q4o when we already 3bet him 4 times in a row? If you haven't 3 bet the same villain for whatever reason in a while and get dealt 72o and think it's +EV to 3 bet, why should you fold it?
You are right, but I ever heard that you must have a standard range against a villian to 3bet.
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Note that he calls 3bet BU-BB JJ.
You said in the video, If people don't fold a lot to 3bets you must 3bet him with broadways.But If I have a hand like KJo in the bb I prefer to call, because it beats his Bu range?
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Note that he calls 3bet BU-BB JJ.
You said in the video, If people don't fold a lot to 3bets you must 3bet him with broadways.But If I have a hand like KJo in the bb I prefer to call, because it beats his Bu range?
If he doesn't fold it should be +EV to 3 bet him with KJo as well as call. You must decide which one is higher EV based on other factors.
Oke but the first player who folds a lot to 3bets. You shouldn't have a standard 3bet range? Will you 3bet 1 from the 4 times it doesn't matter which cards you get?
Oke but the first player who folds a lot to 3bets. You shouldn't have a standard 3bet range? Will you 3bet 1 from the 4 times it doesn't matter which cards you get?
there's no rule, 3 bet him as long as you think it's +EV and know where the EV comes from.
For example, you 3bet someone who folds alot a bunch of times. You think he may be ready to play back at you by 4bet bluffing so now you don't 3bet him with KJ anymore but 3bet him with 88 with the intention to ship over his 4bet. If villain never adjusts then just keep 3bet bluffing and take his money, take as much as he's willing to give you.
Thanks I will try to do this and watch episode four tomorrow
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Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with J
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3 folds, BTN raises to $0.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15
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Hero checks, BTN bets $0.25, Hero raises to $1
Final Pot: $1.05
This player opens 43% on the bu and he cbets 91%. I call preflop because Í'am a head of his range and with the intention to x/r a lot of flops, beacuse he cbets to much. I know I don't rep much on this flop but I think he will often fold.
I think he will often fold.
What's the questions if there's one? If you assume a play is +EV keep doing it until your assumption changes.
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Didn't discover this series until now. Great one! It think it deals with important issues in a methodic way.
When you say that "initiative" is a myth and not a factor in CBetting, I'm not sure I agree. Initiative means that we were the last ones to apply aggression. Considering that most players will not slowplay the top of their range preflop, this basically means that their range is cut by the top, while ours is not.
For instance, let's say that we open in CO and BTN calls us. Now, BTNs range most likely will not contain any AA, KK, QQ, AK and JJ, TT, AQ will be discounted. If the flop comes Axx, since we have initiative, we can have top hands such as AK/AQ while villain seldom can, making it hard for him to stand a lot of pressure.
Also, with a low uncoordinated board, since we have initiative, we have overpairs in our range, while villain does not. With an uncoordinated board, there are no twopairs out there and villain thus have very few really strong hands, again making it difficult for him to stand a lot of pressure.
So, ... it seems to me like you can barrel air somewhat more aggressively with initiative. (Of course this does not apply anymore if Villain decides to get tricky and slowplay the top of his range preflop.)
Didn't discover this series until now. Great one! It think it deals with important issues in a methodic way.
When you say that "initiative" is a myth and not a factor in CBetting, I'm not sure I agree. Initiative means that we were the last ones to apply aggression. Considering that most players will not slowplay the top of their range preflop, this basically means that their range is cut by the top, while ours is not.
For instance, let's say that we open in CO and BTN calls us. Now, BTNs range most likely will not contain any AA, KK, QQ, AK and JJ, TT, AQ will be discounted. If the flop comes Axx, since we have initiative, we can have top hands such as AK/AQ while villain seldom can, making it hard for him to stand a lot of pressure.
Also, with a low uncoordinated board, since we have initiative, we have overpairs in our range, while villain does not. With an uncoordinated board, there are no twopairs out there and villain thus have very few really strong hands, again making it difficult for him to stand a lot of pressure.
So, ... it seems to me like you can barrel air somewhat more aggressively with initiative. (Of course this does not apply anymore if Villain decides to get tricky and slowplay the top of his range preflop.)
What you say has nothing to do with initiative. It has everything to do with perceived range. Initiative is the betting lead which means usually person without the initiative will not bet into the one with initiative. Doing so is called donk bet and considered fishy.
This thought process is also flawed in that perceid range is your whole range and good plays will not just consider parts of your range. For example, we open on the button, BB calls and flop is 8 high. We have all the overpairs in our range but since we're opening like 50% of button over pairs is a very small part of our range. If we mindlessly barrel away trying to rep the overpair BB will still not fold an 8 since we have so much air compared with overpairs. It does not mean we can get more credit or rep a stronger range just because put the last raise in. Also, consider a maniac player, he is always raising and betting which means he always has the initiative. Doesn't mean people give him more credit even if over pairs are in his range.
What you say has nothing to do with initiative. It has everything to do with perceived range. Initiative is the betting lead which means usually person without the initiative will not bet into the one with initiative.
Wow, that was a quick answer. Thank you!
Yes, you are right it has everything to do with perceived range. My thought was that who has initiative affects the perceived ranges of Hero and Villain. But you are of course right that if you adjust perceived ranges according to who showed aggression last, there is no additional information to be had from "initiative". Maybe it is a meaningless concept considering that. Fair enough
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You recommend CBetting polarized against opponents who are likely to raise/fold and check medium strength hands, using them as bluff catchers. I sometimes do this when I'm IP and in a few cases when I'm OOP against weak players. When I play OOP against good players, I am always CBetting depolarized. This may be a leak...
I just feel that if I check with a medium strength range, my hand is kind of face up. Playing a face up weak range OOP against a good aggressive player with two more streets to come puts me in very tough spots. How do you fight that? Do you blend in some premium hands in you checking-range or do you just make very tough calldowns?
You recommend CBetting polarized against opponents who are likely to raise/fold and check medium strength hands, using them as bluff catchers. I sometimes do this when I'm IP and in a few cases when I'm OOP against weak players. When I play OOP against good players, I am always CBetting depolarized. This may be a leak...
I just feel that if I check with a medium strength range, my hand is kind of face up. Playing a face up weak range OOP against a good aggressive player with two more streets to come puts me in very tough spots. How do you fight that? Do you blend in some premium hands in you checking-range or do you just make very tough calldowns?
cbet only depolarized is not a leak until someone starts to exploit you. You should have different cbettinf ranges vs each different villain to maximize your EV and become the apex predator.
what are they going to do about it if your hand is face up, bluff you? You got a bluff catcher and they're bluffing seems like pretty easy decision. People can only flop so many value hands so they can't put pressure on you all the time.
If someone is auto betting when check to then you should cbet only air and go for c/r with your entire value range. People can't see your hole cards so they will not figure out you only cbet air and you can change your actual range on the fly in case you're wondering about balance. Being balanced is 0 EV and we don't want to break even. We want to exploit unbalanced ranges with unbalanced ranges.
Excellent. That answers my questions.
Good point about not wanting to be balanced at all. I've been thinking too much about keeping a balanced range and making rather small adjustments to it depending on opponents. You made it clear in the video about 3bets that to really exploit other players tendencies, you need to adjust completely and then be prepared to re-adjust if you see them change their playing patterns against you. The same reasoning applies to postflop play of course. Time to step out of the sandbox, I guess
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Time Link to 00:20:26
How do i see, which range the villain is using (Depolarized/Polarized). Are there any tricks, do stats indicate those ranges a bit?
Or is it just possible to find out and make notes?
How do i see, which range the villain is using (Depolarized/Polarized). Are there any tricks, do stats indicate those ranges a bit?
Or is it just possible to find out and make notes?
stats doesn't tell how people construct ranges usually but they do give some clues. If someone is cbetting like 80% they must be depolarized since they can't miss the flop that much.
You should pay more attention and make notes instead of relying on stats.
Time Link to 00:11:24
On most euro sites, regs tend to auto cbet once you cheks the flop ( as said im So freash and so Clean Series). When i missed the flop ex AQo on K 7 2 rbow, he auto cbets and most of this regs dbarrel happy; What should be our plan vs this kind of players? Call one and fold if we dont improve? Fold on the flop? Or just cbet ourselfs?
Time Link to 00:22:12
So vs a depolarizes range , assuming that he will fire TP, SCdP, any draws, will we also raise TP?
On most euro sites, regs tend to auto cbet once you cheks the flop ( as said im So freash and so Clean Series). When i missed the flop ex AQo on K 7 2 rbow, he auto cbets and most of this regs dbarrel happy; What should be our plan vs this kind of players? Call one and fold if we dont improve? Fold on the flop? Or just cbet ourselfs?
raise alot of cbets or turn cbets and strengthen your turn range if villain likes to 2 barrel. never call one and fold turn if villain likes to 2 barrel.
So vs a depolarizes range , assuming that he will fire TP, SCdP, any draws, will we also raise TP?
yes
raise alot of cbets or turn cbets and strengthen your turn range if villain likes to 2 barrel. never call one and fold turn if villain likes to 2 barrel.
Ok. Thats when we face a cbet correct? My question was when we are the pfr and "When i missed the flop ex AQo on K 7 2 rbow, he auto cbets and most of this regs dbarrel happy; What should be our plan vs this kind of players? Call one and fold if we dont improve? Fold on the flop? Or just cbet ourselfs?"
Ok. Thats when we face a cbet correct? My question was when we are the pfr and "When i missed the flop ex AQo on K 7 2 rbow, he auto cbets and most of this regs dbarrel happy; What should be our plan vs this kind of players? Call one and fold if we dont improve? Fold on the flop? Or just cbet ourselfs?"
you mean they autobet when checked to or they donk bet? defintion of cbet is the preflop aggressor bets on the flop. If someone is auto betting when checked to you can c/r or c/c your entire value range/bluf catching range and cbet only air.
This video did not cover turn and river plays I might do that in a future video
Great episode blah. Really, really useful. Thanks ![]()
Time Link to 00:45:23
What do you mean exactly - We are in BB and Villian can be in any position and it's folded to us? Which positions from Villians, do you think is most useful in this exercise?
What do you mean exactly - We are in BB and Villian can be in any position and it's folded to us? Which positions from Villians, do you think is most useful in this exercise?
someone raises, we're in the BB and everyone folds.
every position is useful. Most useful obv vs villain when they have wide preflop range. Vs tight range not much we can do.
Time Link to 00:36:42
Another great video blah234!
You gave reasons for preferring not to 3 bet small pocket pairs from the blinds, but then you say that from the SB we should be more inclined to 3 bet or fold (unless BB is a nit), would this be an exception for not 3 betting small pocket pairs from the blinds, if BB is likely to squeeze?
Also, earlier in the video you said that cbetting a lot is exploitable but not a leak; is the difference between exploitable play and a leak that an exploitable play is only -EV when someone starts exploiting and we don't adjust, but a leak is always -EV?
Another great video blah234!
You gave reasons for preferring not to 3 bet small pocket pairs from the blinds, but then you say that from the SB we should be more inclined to 3 bet or fold (unless BB is a nit), would this be an exception for not 3 betting small pocket pairs from the blinds, if BB is likely to squeeze?
no, if BB squeezes too much we can jam the small pp
Also, earlier in the video you said that cbetting a lot is exploitable but not a leak; is the difference between exploitable play and a leak that an exploitable play is only -EV when someone starts exploiting and we don't adjust, but a leak is always -EV?
Yes.
Time Link to 00:36:00
How do you figure out as a general rule of thumb we should be playing back around half of villain's preflop range? The example you gave was if villain opens BTN around 60%, we should be defending around 30% of our range from the blinds, why not 35% or even 40% if he's opening that wide?
no, if BB squeezes too much we can jam the small pp
Yes.
Thank you for your reply ![]()
How do you figure out as a general rule of thumb we should be playing back around half of villain's preflop range? The example you gave was if villain opens BTN around 60%, we should be defending around 30% of our range from the blinds, why not 35% or even 40% if he's opening that wide?
rule of thumb no particular reason other than experience. Feel free to use whatever range you think is profitable.
Ah ok, thanks again! ![]()
yes you would call with things ahead of his cbetting range and be prepared to bluff catch. Bluff raise a tone and be extremely aggro because villain's range cannot take any heat.
this was your answer to: ' I pulled a guy from my db and I know he bets a depolaryzed range. Does this mean I can call him with a very wide rang and fold when he bets?'
If he's bets a depolarised range, does that mean that he has a strong range? surely, the idea that he cannot take any heat isn't true. this seems to be more intuative vs a polarised range where he has air in his range... perhaps im mistaking the concept but i thought
A) a polarised range was a nut or nothing kind of range,
B) a depolarised range was strong hands
Is it more:
A) a polarised range is nuts or nothing
B) a depolarised range is not just nuts or air, but everything. i.e, 2nd pai , draws etc?
A) a polarised range is nuts or nothing
B) a depolarised range is not just nuts or air, but everything. i.e, 2nd pai , draws etc?
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Thanks. This makes much more sense ![]()
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and when we play back we play back strongly because when his range is depolarised the nuts are a very small % of his range and we can make it difficult for him to feel comfortable with the rest of his range if we are highly aggressive?
and when we play back we play back strongly because when his range is depolarised the nuts are a very small % of his range and we can make it difficult for him to feel comfortable with the rest of his range if we are highly aggressive?
yes and more of his range can continue to a later street.
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