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Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by BigBadBabar (Micro/Small Stakes)

Time Link to 00:20:24

Left hand table, you have KJo. You raise pf and end up in a multiway pot.

You check the 864 rainbow flop, next player bets and there are a couple of callers and you fold. Would there be any merit in calling the flop bet? You are getting about 11 to 1 to spike a pair, which may be good and you are closing the action.

Even though your fold was inspired as one of the players had flopped a straight, I was just interested to hear your reasons for folding this flop.

Well, I didn't know he'd flopped a straight, heh. I think a peel would be fine at such a good price. I was I think also involved in a hand on the right table which may have contributed to my fold on the left table to be honest. But on that kind of board texture, which hits a bunch of coldcallers' ranges reasonably hard, I could get into some uncomfortable spots later in the hand even if I make a pair. It's a worse board for me than say T62 rainbow or something. So I don't hate the fold either.

Time Link to 00:52:27

I think that you are probably correct that heads up you would have had a river value bet against the 1st player's hand range. However, as you point out, the presence of the 2nd player calling down in the hand and the possible flush draw getting there on the river, does seem to suggest that checking the river would be a good option.

Once the 1st player raises and the 2nd player folds, I think your call has to be correct.

Time Link to 00:56:24

Yeah, I dont think that you will be ahead of many of your opponent's value betting hands on this turn.

So, I think that I prefer calling your opponent's turn bet as opposed to raising, and possibly allowing him to bluff with a worse hand.

Time Link to 01:04:42

I also thought your fold to the river raise was fine, when I first watched the video, as villain could easily have had a hand like JT as you suggested or perhaps something like AT. And we never see players bluff raising rivers into 2 opponents do we ?

I must admit though, that your second thoughts about calling villain's possible bluff raise seem reasonable.

You said that you thought that villain could be a bit spazzy. Also, I wonder whether villain might have backed into something like a 2 pair hand such as QJ that he thought he was value raising with ? So, I suppose just for peace of mind a call could be good in this type of situation.

If I see Lady Luck, I will be sure to ask her if she can look favourably upon you, so that hopefully you will run better for the rest of the series !

Time Link to 00:21:54

I'm bluffing here hoping you fold A8o, since it's an easy v-bet for any better ace or pair. I guess it was bad since you didn't even contemplate folding

I think that you are probably correct that heads up you would have had a river value bet against the 1st player's hand range. However, as you point out, the presence of the 2nd player calling down in the hand and the possible flush draw getting there on the river, does seem to suggest that checking the river would be a good option.

Once the 1st player raises and the 2nd player folds, I think your call has to be correct.

I'm not super comfortable still with how I played this one. Gonna post it as its own thread I think.

I also thought your fold to the river raise was fine, when I first watched the video, as villain could easily have had a hand like JT as you suggested or perhaps something like AT. And we never see players bluff raising rivers into 2 opponents do we ?

I must admit though, that your second thoughts about calling villain's possible bluff raise seem reasonable.

You said that you thought that villain could be a bit spazzy. Also, I wonder whether villain might have backed into something like a 2 pair hand such as QJ that he thought he was value raising with ? So, I suppose just for peace of mind a call could be good in this type of situation.

Yeah, agree. I just can't even recall the last time I saw a bluffraise there in a multiway protected pot like that.

If I see Lady Luck, I will be sure to ask her if she can look favourably upon you, so that hopefully you will run better for the rest of the series !

thanks - can't hurt imo!

I'm bluffing here hoping you fold A8o, since it's an easy v-bet for any better ace or pair. I guess it was bad since you didn't even contemplate folding

I contemplated a little bit but then figured you're bluffing a lot of stuff there so I'm probably strong enough to call. It's a good bluff card. I reasoned that if I'm not folding pairs there (if I'd played them passively that way) that ace high is a pretty similar hand, and I'm actually reasonably high up in my range given that I didn't 3bet pf.

Time Link to 00:09:20

What an interesting hand with A Q. I actually got really uncomfortable with b/c on the end. We've basically turned our hand face-up on the river as top two pair. Thoughts?

Time Link to 00:11:27

I really dislike this turn raise with the 8 7. If anything, I think it's closer to a fold, especially since we now lose to any 3x hand SB was betting the flop with. In realtime, I call down and bet if checked to.

I think r/f this river is correct.

What an interesting hand with A Q. I actually got really uncomfortable with b/c on the end. We've basically turned our hand face-up on the river as top two pair. Thoughts?

yeah, i talked about this one some elsewhere, i think in its own thread? and also somewhat in this thread. i actually don't like the river donk much since I only pulled ahead of a couple KK combos and the other guy can easily have hearts. very weird hand where none of the river options seem great because the pot is so big.

I really dislike this turn raise with the 8 7. If anything, I think it's closer to a fold, especially since we now lose to any 3x hand SB was betting the flop with. In realtime, I call down and bet if checked to.

I think r/f this river is correct.

it depends on his flop donking range. if he's donking a very wide range then i'm still doing okay on the turn, although i agree i don't love the 3 (although i had him pegged as somewhat taggy so i'm not sure how he should have a lot of 3x combos here based on pf). if he's donking a narrower range then i like just calling down and betting if checked to. folding the turn is too weak, since i'm relatively strong in my range here (i have lots of worse hands like ace high, etc) and have underrepped my hand by just calling the flop. i'm not sure the river raise is correct actually since it re-opens the betting and i hate facing a 3bet, and also because based on the turn action he has a lot of strong hands (trip 3s+) and not as many just 7x combos

Time Link to 00:44:19

This pic is named babar4. How many Babar pics do you have on your computer?

This pic is named babar4. How many Babar pics do you have on your computer?

at least one for each episode i think

I know you dont have notes on the player and he may be a spazz, but is there any way you think your hand could be good after the flop with so much action pre and then on the flop.

Ive noticed at micro stakes that players are much thighter when they 3 bet and cap any time after the flop. Its a horrible river and I think you have to call just in case he has AQ or a badly played AK and I think the bets fine as you can eliminate QQ as he would have capped the turn so he has 6 combos of kk vs one of AA.

Time Link to 00:36:44

Is there a case to check call the river here against 2 opponents? Would that change vs 0ne opponent? What hands are you expecting to call? I saw that one of them called you without a 10.

I know you dont have notes on the player and he may be a spazz, but is there any way you think your hand could be good after the flop with so much action pre and then on the flop.

Ive noticed at micro stakes that players are much thighter when they 3 bet and cap any time after the flop. Its a horrible river and I think you have to call just in case he has AQ or a badly played AK and I think the bets fine as you can eliminate QQ as he would have capped the turn so he has 6 combos of kk vs one of AA.

which hand is this for?

Is there a case to check call the river here against 2 opponents? Would that change vs 0ne opponent? What hands are you expecting to call? I saw that one of them called you without a 10.

i think it's a spot where if i want one bet going in, it's better if i bet myself, hoping to get called by worse (one pair, two pair, lower set), as opposed to if i check, where then my opponents will often check back worse hands that they might have called me with. in general, bet/folding, or betting at least to begin with, gets you a lot more value than checkcalling. checkcalling lets your opponent play the different parts of his range better against you.

vs one opponent i would also bet

which hand is this for?

The 9 min 20 hand

The 9 min 20 hand

yeah, i don't think the river donk was good. i only pulled ahead of a few combos of KK, and anything else that was ahead of me still is, plus flushes got there, and i called a raise too which means it was extra expensive for me. i talked about it some earlier in this thread, and there was (i believe) its own thread about it in the micro-lhe forum on here