Poker Video: Omaha/Omaha 8 by danzasmack (Mid Stakes)

hey, nice vid - way better than the first one imo.

some questions for you:

1) QK34 close to the end of the session, left table - folded firstin from MP.

wich would be spots where this hand would be a raise for you? BU&CO FI both viable?

2) I forgot the spot, but generally speaking: when you get great prices in the BB, like OR+CC+SB overcall -> I feel like that you get such a great price with for example a suited ace, I most of the time can not fold a suited A for 1:7. Is that a mistake? I suck at pokermath, but could you give reasoning why you make those folds?

I understand, that you get yourself into bad spots, if you end up drawing for your FD on a 2low board wich sometimes kills your odds, but.. meh.

My point - or rather my question is, how good does my hand need to be to call for 1:7 or probably 1:5 OOP in the BB?

a) just mathwise
b) playability taken into account
c) -> going from answers a)& b) how you calculated your answer

3) I was hoping for some math/equity examples, and maybe some range discussion, based on Holdem Manager stats and also your experience.

-> What do people tend to play for a raise, what do people tend to limp, what to people tend to 3bet with, what is more likely a coldcalling rage and so on and so forth.

Since you can not just enter the preflop equity into pokerstove and look what you should do preflop - based on HM stats like in holdem. As my understanding goes, playability; "pushing,pulling-characteristics of a hand" agressiveness & WTS of players are way more important preflop-descision facors than VPIP 35 for example.

With(vpip,pfr) 20/5 ; 30/20; 50/15 for example, how would judge their ranges, or their stlyes.

Maybe you could take some of those questions into account, making your new vid.

I am really enjoing it and - since PLO is getting quite popular in the last time, maybe O8 will become a lil more popular too.

Yeah, I also enjoyed the video and I fully subscribe to what iPOKErU said. I would like to see more of the math as well. It's something I toyed around with lately as well.

Other things which might make for a good episode topic are blind steals and blind defense. Obviously, with position and no dramatic equity differences a lot of hands could be played for a steal from the button. The question is, how many in which situations? I also regularly play in a rather wild game with some guys raising it up with a lot of trash. On the button these guys raise 67% of their hands (and they are usually very showdown-bound). How loosely could I defend considering that I don't have position.

In general I'm interested in how to play maniacs in FLO8. I'm an experienced FLHE player (5/10-10/20) and I do well in FLO8. But I'm still not sure how to play maniacs in this game (contrary to HE). If you have something to say on this in your series it would be appreciated.

Another topic I still find rather difficult in FLO8 is two-pairs. They are tricky to play sometimes and can cost you a lot of money. It would be cool to see something on two-pairs in your series.

hey, nice vid - way better than the first one imo.

some questions for you:

1) QK34 close to the end of the session, left table - folded firstin from MP.

wich would be spots where this hand would be a raise for you? BU&CO FI both viable?

OTB vs. standard blinds I think it's OK. Sure we have hi-hand value w/the flush but a nut/nut hand is not really happening here. The 34 is way worse than it looks and this is just a pretty hand is all. The hand is an equity dog to a random big card/wheel card combo and in general isn't going to play very well postflop.

We need to flop TP+FD for a high hand to be nice here, and that's a bout it. The low is always going to be hurting. Sure we could be good vs. some A5's but I think this is just a trouble hand and MP is way too early to be opening.

That being said I smile when I get to open this in the SB because on a Q72 i have the NUTS in a blind battle. And if i open OTB. People defend any 2 low so often that I think folding this would be bad.

Of course, beware the SB cold call, and be ready to fold @ some point. Who are we kidding if we're folding we're folding early.

2) I forgot the spot, but generally speaking: when you get great prices in the BB, like OR+CC+SB overcall -> I feel like that you get such a great price with for example a suited ace, I most of the time can not fold a suited A for 1:7. Is that a mistake? I suck at pokermath, but could you give reasoning why you make those folds?

I understand, that you get yourself into bad spots, if you end up drawing for your FD on a 2low board wich sometimes kills your odds, but.. meh.

My point - or rather my question is, how good does my hand need to be to call for 1:7 or probably 1:5 OOP in the BB?

a) just mathwise
b) playability taken into account
c) -> going from answers a)& b) how you calculated your answer

Good question for the next vid as this would be a pretty epic post.

To keep it simple, you need to have a good shot @ the nuts. The problem with what we had was that our hi-hand value was pretty limited to the nut flush and that's it. The 77 is realy junk in a huge multiway pot.

I'm going to double check some math on this one and really put some though into it because pure equity wise you really can't fold here but my problem is playability, flop textures, how hands are playing out postflop, and of course position.

iPOKErU,

Good questions on the ranges. I tried to talk a lot about it but I don't think using the hud is the best option. People are VERY polarized w/their 3-bet ranged and use hand strength rather than situational hand strength to determine their play.

Like I say in the vid, vs. some guys I'll need @ least AQ2X to be 3-betting but vs. other A5XX is enough. I'd much rather pay close attention to the hands they're playing for a raise than use HEM.

That being said, HEM-O does do a great job of helping you track those players. I'll put up some stats in a coming video because knowing what % of hands contain A2 is just good to know.

BonnSub,

Awesome stuff, thanks for the input! Did you see my AJ5 hand from the vid when I folded 3 pairs!? Later on in the vid I do play 2 pair aggressively and for value.

The easiest way to break it down - AW (ace-wheel) on board and you have 2 pair in a big pot OOP, be ready to fold. I'll dig up some more examples and make some posts. I'm sure it will come up a few more times in the series as well.

Thanks for a great video Chuck. The new microphone is working well
I would love to see some PLO8 content in the future. Keep up the good work.

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Not too important, but you make the comment that BuklaH is new(to the table). He's a very good LO8/PLO8 player. Just thought it should be known.

Not too important, but you make the comment that BuklaH is new(to the table). He's a very good LO8/PLO8 player. Just thought it should be known.

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I noticed that you did not play hands like Ks432 or Ks532 in late position. I play these hands even to a raise. They have great counterfit protection and make kings up quite often. It seems like you prefer 2 high cards and 2 wheels over 1 high card and 3 wheels in general. However, I don't understand why. I'd much rather have K542 over KJ32. The 2 high cards can make a higher 2 pair, but the extra wheel provides counterfit protection, allowing you to hit 2 pair and the wheel more often.

Counterfeit protection yes, but I need an ace on the flop with those hands. My high hand value is significantly lower, especially with the ace on the flop.

Are you showing a profit with these hands? Because I'm still not sold on playing them.

Counterfeit protection yes, but I need an ace on the flop with those hands. My high hand value is significantly lower, especially with the ace on the flop.

Are you showing a profit with these hands? Because I'm still not sold on playing them.

I don't have the stats to back it up. However, I find them easier to play. You don't need an ace to flop since I'm talking about opening from late position. Your opponents will not have a strong ace most of the time either. If they do you might pair your hand and counterfit theirs since it's unlikely they will hold an ace and a 2 other wheel cards. Using Propoker tools K542 rainbow is in the top 50% of hands where as KJ32 rainbow is in the top 59% of hands. I don't play either of these hands without flush possibilities unless I'm in the blinds. Give me a suited king for both of these hands I open K542 on the cutoff (top 25%) and KJ32 (top 32%) on the button. Also, I found the time link for the AK82 hand in this thread: http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/13-Videos/5204-All-Mixed-Up-Episode-One?page=3&per_page=15

Ok, so I watched the 1st two episodes and then had a go at playing. I'm not the quickest on the uptake so struggled a bit but finished up & very happy.

Got moaned at for fishing for the low without an A in my hand and also about the rake but I'm sure the principles will sink in. I just wanted to say I'm enjoying the series!

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Do players ever lead here with missed spades/QT**? You talked a lot about made hands leading but even if he has 5-15% missed draws in his leading range that strongly strengthens an argument for raising.

I think raising there is fine/possibly better than folding esp. w/a backdoor low missing.

Nice!

Do you feel that 10/20-15/30 players are still playing this poorly overall or have the games toughened up somewhat?