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Poker Video: Pot-Limit Omaha by n0whereman (Micro/Small Stakes)

PLO low stakes, basic series looks like created for me !

watching it right now

Finally. Been waiting for this so long.


Good to see some new stuff from N0whereman.

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Great start on the series guys. Looking forward to more.

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/996-Episode-One?seek=537

A related question to bankroll management - assuming that I am bankroll is not an issue, what do you think are reasonable stakes for a reasonably competent (and winning) SSNL player to be taking shots at when first starting out at PLO?

John I heard you mention that you started on 25c/50c - would you recommend this for other new starters? or to start lower then move up the limits reasonably aggressively once we learn the ropes?

cheers

Great start on the series guys. Looking forward to more.

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/996-Episode-One?seek=537

A related question to bankroll management - assuming that I am bankroll is not an issue, what do you think are reasonable stakes for a reasonably competent (and winning) SSNL player to be taking shots at when first starting out at PLO?

John I heard you mention that you started on 25c/50c - would you recommend this for other new starters? or to start lower then move up the limits reasonably aggressively once we learn the ropes?

cheers

I guess my rule of thumb would be to start off playing the lowest stakes you can take seriously and move up from there. There's no need to be playing the highest stakes you can afford when you're still trying to learn the very basics. Playing weaker competition will let you sort of isolate the variables you're trying to work on more easily (eg starting hands, playing in position, hand/board interactions), as they suck and will let you do what you want more or less. That said, if you're pushing 100BI for PLO50 I don't see any reason to start much lower than that.

A really nice start for the series! It's great to have a structured, introductory PLO series geared towards small stakes and online 6-max. Most of the existing PLO material doesn't have any or most of those attributes. Structured is also really important IMHO; PLO is complex enough that as a beginner, it is pretty hard to put all the pieces together by just watching some misc live play videos.

Regarding books, both Jeff Hwang and Rolf Slotboom have new books out with more focus on shorthanded play. Some of the older live full ring material can be useful too, often they do a good job of explaining some fundamentals, but as a beginner it may be difficult to understand how to apply the information in shorthanded games.

A question to the coaches: what is your view on the differences between FR and 6-max PLO? I personally started playing PLO full ring first and moved to 6-max a bit later, and they do seem to play quite differently. In my limited experience, in microstakes FR PLO, it was very common to have like 6+ people limp in and see the flop, or even have someone raise pf and get 5 callers etc. Always multiway pots, not many stealing situations, typically not worth playing many non-nut hands etc.

A question to the coaches: what is your view on the differences between FR and 6-max PLO? I personally started playing PLO full ring first and moved to 6-max a bit later, and they do seem to play quite differently. In my limited experience, in microstakes FR PLO, it was very common to have like 6+ people limp in and see the flop, or even have someone raise pf and get 5 callers etc. Always multiway pots, not many stealing situations, typically not worth playing many non-nut hands etc.

Well the only FR PLO I've ever played is in a tournament setting, so I'm not much help here. IIRC John hasn't even done that, so the short answer is that I have no idea.

I'd imagine that FR PLO is a fairly nitty game. With so many people and so many starting hands out there, a huge premium will be placed on hands that can make the nuts. More limping would be correct, and you'd have to be super tight OOP.

Sorry I can't be much more helpful than that - my last suggestion would be to just stick with 6-max.

I'd imagine that FR PLO is a fairly nitty game. With so many people and so many starting hands out there, a huge premium will be placed on hands that can make the nuts. More limping would be correct, and you'd have to be super tight OOP.

Sorry I can't be much more helpful than that - my last suggestion would be to just stick with 6-max.

Yeah, I pretty much made the same conclusions. People who do play full ring NLHE might want to give it a try, though. And looking at it the other way round, I'd imagine learning 6-max PLO will be easier if you already have some shorthanded experience from 6-max NLHE.

Looking forward for the rest of the series!

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There is also this tool that Vanessa used in her latest video.

http://www.plomahatools.com/equity

I haven't used it much yet, but it seems to be just like propokertools but just for omaha.

Nowhere thanks for the series. so stoked cause ive just begun my PLO journey

Great start on the series guys. Looking forward to more.

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/996-Episode-One?seek=537

A related question to bankroll management - assuming that I am bankroll is not an issue, what do you think are reasonable stakes for a reasonably competent (and winning) SSNL player to be taking shots at when first starting out at PLO?

John I heard you mention that you started on 25c/50c - would you recommend this for other new starters? or to start lower then move up the limits reasonably aggressively once we learn the ropes?

cheers

Hey Pool -

Good question, and thanks for checking out the series. Depending on what the size of your bankroll is, I think that beginning at 25PLO or 50PLO is a pretty safe starting point for anyone. I don't think the level of play jumps dramatically between the two stakes, and since learning and improving is more important than winning money in the early stages of your development, I think picking either one will suit you just fine. If you feel PLO25 is too easy, or you find yourself splashing around too much because you don't care about the monetary losses, then move up. Likewise, if you feel pressured by the amount of buy ins you're dropping while learning a new game, then feel free to drop down. The thing to remember is that just like learning anything else, it's important to develop as a player in an environment that's conducive to progression, while fostering a sustainable comfort level as well. If you find yourself worrying about how many buy ins you won or lost during your sessions, then you should probably move down. What you're really looking for is a limit where you can be attentive to player tendencies, hand reading, game flow, and what kind of strategies work, rather than just winning or losing.

Hopefully this helps. Feel free to comment if it doesn't, or if you have any other questions.

Well the only FR PLO I've ever played is in a tournament setting, so I'm not much help here. IIRC John hasn't even done that, so the short answer is that I have no idea.

I'd imagine that FR PLO is a fairly nitty game. With so many people and so many starting hands out there, a huge premium will be placed on hands that can make the nuts. More limping would be correct, and you'd have to be super tight OOP.

Sorry I can't be much more helpful than that - my last suggestion would be to just stick with 6-max.

I haven't played barely any FR, but I would assume Jason is right about the increased value in playing nuttier hands, in addition to much more limping than in 6max.

Good stuff, looking forward to the rest of this series.

What stakes/sites do you guys regularly play? You might've mentioned it but I missed it if you did. Also, nowhereman, have you switched almost entirely from NLHE to PLO now?

Will the whole series be powerpoint / HH reviews, or will you be including some live play / video reviews also?

should I watch this first or 2x6?

Good stuff, looking forward to the rest of this series.

Thanks!

What stakes/sites do you guys regularly play?

1/2 and 2/4, and i've played at every major american site. John plays 1/2-5/10 IIRC.

Also, nowhereman, have you switched almost entirely from NLHE to PLO now?

I'd say 90% of my play now is PLO.

Will the whole series be powerpoint / HH reviews, or will you be including some live play / video reviews also?

We've talked about doing a live play video and a video review, but I don't know if we'll have room for that. One thing I've observed so far is that fitting this concept into 8 eps might be a bit tougher than it was for FTGU

should I watch this first or 2x6?

You can watch 2x6 first, but this series is meant to be the most basic PLO series on the site.

enjoying it a lot! Was wondering if either or both of you guys might be intersted in doing a mentor video for a 4 tabling 100plo sesh of mine at some point (NLHE player trying to get good at plo). PM if interested.
Looking forward to rest of series!

enjoying it a lot! Was wondering if either or both of you guys might be intersted in doing a mentor video for a 4 tabling 100plo sesh of mine at some point (NLHE player trying to get good at plo). PM if interested.
Looking forward to rest of series!

UNFAIR!U ALREADy a proper NLHE baller. you already the nuts.. how about a Real life PLO Grinder like me! 20nl- soon to be 500nl baller. lol

DgenZA, don't you mean 20nl- soon to be 10nl baller?

Great start so far dudes, looking forward to what yall come up with next!

DgenZA, don't you mean 20nl- soon to be 10nl baller?

lol u fish

great vid guys. Keep it coming


May I request a CAP PLO vid please.

For anyone looking to gain experience playing deep, the .01/.02 and the .02/.05 games on stars allow for bigger than 100 big blind buyins. the .01/.02 game is a $5 BI (250BB) and the .02/.05 is a $10 BI (200BB). It can be a good, cheap way to get comfortable playing deep in PLO.

Nice Video and looking forward to the rest of the series.

I had a question about Omaha Manager. Can we get the addon discounted through DeucesCracked?

Cheers,
K.

I had a question about Omaha Manager. Can we get the addon discounted through DeucesCracked?

Yep

https://www.deucescracked.com/hem_promo

Awesome Video. I have been looking for a nice PLO video to get me started on the game. Looking forward to watching more videos in this series.

Hello guys, nice video. Exactly what I need now.

Just one question for this 1st episode, I don't know if you talk about this in the next episodes no the series.
What about table selection in PLO ? Do you use the same criteria for the table stats as in NLH ?

Thanks for the series.
Zit

Hello guys, nice video. Exactly what I need now.

Just one question for this 1st episode, I don't know if you talk about this in the next episodes no the series.
What about table selection in PLO ? Do you use the same criteria for the table stats as in NLH ?

Thanks for the series.
Zit

tbh at the micro stakes it's tougher to find a bad table than a good one.

Hello guys, nice video. Exactly what I need now.

Just one question for this 1st episode, I don't know if you talk about this in the next episodes no the series.
What about table selection in PLO ? Do you use the same criteria for the table stats as in NLH ?

Thanks for the series.
Zit

Hey Zit -

Good question. % of players to the flop, and avg pot size are two pretty good stats available in the lobby that you can use to pick a table. Also, look for stacks in excess of 100BB, playing short stackers can definitely be frustrating.

At 7:50 you say: "expect bigger swings and longer break even stretches than holdem" Aren't those two things mutually incompatible?

Or do you mean that compared to holdem where it is possible to be grinding a steady profit, you don't get that in holdem?

At 7:50 you say: "expect bigger swings and longer break even stretches than holdem" Aren't those two things mutually incompatible?

Or do you mean that compared to holdem where it is possible to be grinding a steady profit, you don't get that in holdem?

I don't see why those two points are mutually exclusive. It's because of the huge swings and close equities that long BE stretches happen.

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85/0 over 10 hands
made me lol, math genius

85/0 over 10 hands
made me lol, math genius

Great great series,

because now I start to learn and play PLO. But there is one thing. the propokertools.com is now different. Its not more like in the video, can someone explain how to use it??

Great great series,

because now I start to learn and play PLO. But there is one thing. the propokertools.com is now different. Its not more like in the video, can someone explain how to use it??

what's different about it? all they did was add functionality for groupings and exclusions.

what's different about it? all they did was add functionality for groupings and exclusions.

I mean the first time when you show the propokertools web page. On the righd hand side there is this syntax summary, which is actually very helpfull. It does not show it to me when i open it on my Computer..

This is what I mean.

I mean the first time when you show the propokertools web page. On the righd hand side there is this syntax summary, which is actually very helpfull. It does not show it to me when i open it on my Computer..

This is what I mean.

the syntax button is on a green bar at the bottom of the window now.

n0whereman,
what a great series! i have a question though, i have only played NLHE SnGs. Maybe around 200 of them. 70% maybe on HU $2. I am planning on switching to PLO as I think the world of NLHE is just too crowded. Would my little experience on NLHE be a hindrance to learning PLO fully or are these two forms sort of independent? You talked about expanding a player's poker mind when playing different forms of poker but I don't have that much experience on NLHE.

thanks!

I have just started here and have started with this sereis as it was well recommended.
You talk about Omaha Manager and Aggression factor and how the Stat Aggression Frequency is better to use.

I have installed Omaha Manager and cannot not see this stat listed, or am I misssing a huge point.
Can you explain how I can access this stat if it is possible.

thanks

Can anyone comment on whether it's worth ditching Poker Tracker Omaha, which I have paid for, to get Omaha Manager? Is it that much better? PTO seems just fine at the moment.

Can anyone comment on whether it's worth ditching Poker Tracker Omaha, which I have paid for, to get Omaha Manager? Is it that much better? PTO seems just fine at the moment.

If switching is a big investment for you, I wouldn't bother.