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Poker Video: Pot-Limit Omaha by n0whereman (Micro/Small Stakes)

Time Link to 00:22:30

You guys seemed torn between calling and folding and I think the superior option is to 3bet this hand. We take the initiative so we can bluff high boards, and when we do smack the board like we do in this case our hand is COMPLETELY disguised and we can get paid a ton. Also due to the non-nuttiness of our hand we want this pot heads up and if we flat out of the SB we give the BB odds to call with a huge range.

Time Link to 00:35:28

Somewhere around here the entire sound quality goes to shit and it becomes very hard to hear you.

Time Link to 01:00:38

Around here the audio is passable again.

You guys seemed torn between calling and folding and I think the superior option is to 3bet this hand. We take the initiative so we can bluff high boards, and when we do smack the board like we do in this case our hand is COMPLETELY disguised and we can get paid a ton. Also due to the non-nuttiness of our hand we want this pot heads up and if we flat out of the SB we give the BB odds to call with a huge range.

Hey Del -

I see your point, and I'll 3b this hand OOP from time to time, but I'll mostly be doing it against guys who fold to a ton of cb's, mostly just because against competent player you can be put in many tough spots post flop, or against calling stations the line between bluffing and vb'ing becomes pretty blurred because you'll be chasing poor FD's, SD,s, and will also be making bad 2pr's etc.

THC.com, eh? might want to recheck that url

Hey Del -

I see your point, and I'll 3b this hand OOP from time to time, but I'll mostly be doing it against guys who fold to a ton of cb's, mostly just because against competent player you can be put in many tough spots post flop, or against calling stations the line between bluffing and vb'ing becomes pretty blurred because you'll be chasing poor FD's, SD,s, and will also be making bad 2pr's etc.

Sure, I agree. Typically this is a hand where I will expect to win it on the flop with a c-bet/shut down or flop the nuts/get all in. I am not going to 3bet a calling station but against any sort of fit or fold player this is a fantastic hand to apply pressure. I will also 3bet sometimes just because I hate not having the initiative, but that is just a personal problem.

THC.com, eh? might want to recheck that url

i loled when i saw that too

THC.com, eh? might want to recheck that url

Haha we changed this recently and didn't really announce or anything. Procuring the domain handconverter.com was kind of a no brainer. Both work fwiw.

Time Link to 00:25:49

Hey guys, a "what if" here ;-)

What would you do if SB check calls this turn ?
- on the blank river ?
- on a different river (high card)

Zit

Really a pity that I cannot understand from 35:00 to 01:10 :-(

Time Link to 00:16:36

Sorry guys, but either you are on crack or I'm on crack 'cause in my book, 3-4-5-7 on a 2-4-8 board is not a 14-wrap. Only A's and 6's make us a straight.

So we have an open ender to the nuts and middle pair. Do you still think we should be check/raising the flop or is hero's flop line good?

Yeah you only have 8 straight outs def not 14, how did neither of you notice this

gah i feel like tuff fish who counted out his cards and didn't realize he had a straight. i clearly need sleep. sorry about that guys - no i don't like c/r there. if i did have a 14-wrap i would!

Time Link to 00:23:05

I agree with all your comments on the flop/turn play, but I'm not so sure about the river. I don't play $0.25/0.50, but against somewhat competent opponents I wouldn't expect to get called by worse that often. Most of the hands that call the river will be a flush, and I think Ax hands will find a fold. If I know he's a calling station I'd certainly go to value town, but against an unknown it's not too likely we will win if a bet goes in.

Sound issues are v. annoying

Time Link to 00:13:30

You guys mention that since the hero bet the turn, which you guys didn't necessarily like, then he had to bet that river as a bluff in order to win the pot. What would you all recommend doing if the hero checked back the turn if it were checked to us on the same river? Are we barreling to represent the flush? and do we get folds from naked tens here given our line? thanx guys

You guys mention that since the hero bet the turn, which you guys didn't necessarily like, then he had to bet that river as a bluff in order to win the pot. What would you all recommend doing if the hero checked back the turn if it were checked to us on the same river? Are we barreling to represent the flush? and do we get folds from naked tens here given our line? thanx guys

Hi nonutz4me -

Thanks for checking out the series. I wouldn't bet the river if it checked to us twice for a couple of reasons. First, his range for donk/calling the flop is mostly T's and draws, both of which would normally just call a river bet given the action and the size of the pot. To put it a little more simply, anything that's donk/calling the flop is definitely calling the river.

I think what you're asking is if you would ever bet our AA** here on the river for value, and honestly if we're going to bet for value we'd have to bet pretty small because the only hands we're going to get value from are like Q*** or K*** hands, but to get him to fold better (bad trips or a straight), we'd have to bet pretty big, and given the fact that the turn checked through it's difficult for us to tell a convincing story. Thus, checking back seems to be the most reasonable option in that scenario.

fwiw, if the turn wasn't the K I'd be more inclined to bet thinner for value, and in that type of scenario it'd have to be against an opponent who I'm confident won't c/r bluff the river, or is weak enough to call a small value bet with one pair type hands.


JB

On that same hand you are discussing above. Would you bet the turn on any cards? Or do you think he has Tx here most of the time, and that makes it a bad bet regardless of the turn?

You said that if you had KJ9x(in villains spot) you would x/c the flop. What do you do on the turn if you face a bet, improved and unimproved?

Thanks, great series!

On that same hand you are discussing above. Would you bet the turn on any cards? Or do you think he has Tx here most of the time, and that makes it a bad bet regardless of the turn?

You said that if you had KJ9x(in villains spot) you would x/c the flop. What do you do on the turn if you face a bet, improved and unimproved?

Thanks, great series!

Hi ethorn -

Thanks for checking out the series. My action on the turn would (as always) depend on the opponents tendencies. Against someone with passive tendencies, I'd probably just c/f, since it'd be an odd spot for a passive player to show up with a bluff, and more often than not they're not going to barrel those types of boards with air, and their draws will almost always check back. Plus, it'd be hard for them to have a draw anyway since we have the blockers to all of the cards that are, which means there's less combinations of wrap-type hands. Additionally it's important to remember that a lot of our "outs" that complete the straight could potentially fill his boat, so it's not like we have a lot of implied odds if we get there.

This highlights one of the main things you want to stay away from in PLO; c/c'ing OOP with medium strength hands or draws. It just becomes really difficult to play them profitably, even against weaker opponents.

results of last hand?!

results of last hand?!

http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/5-Beginner-Limit-Hold-em/topics/25862-PygmyHero-gets-flatbarrel?page=3&per_page=60#post_199817

villain had kq76ss, we ship the monies.

wow nice! ship it. enjoying the series btw.