Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by BigBadBabar (Mid Stakes)

Wtf pygmy why didn't u tell me u had a series ? Awesome!!! I haven't watched yet (20 min since they posted). But I can see the video is of Babar length.

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Meh I don't speak french (as Babar does).

Btw check out the tilt post I just made
http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/986-Episode-Five

DC, you probably already know this, but the video isn't showing up on the main page.

I just downloaded and watched this. Solid video guys! You work well together and I find your thought processes really helpful. Keep it up.

sup guys, hope you enjoy. pyg and i look forward to your comments.

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I think b/3b is way better because as we c/c turn no way he is putting us on 2pair anymore. If I'm in villain's shoes and see you donk I'm saying "Trips of Tens full" and raise

Sad at the complete Failboat using Zodiac signs. Didn't think BIG enough. There are enough Constellations to go round everyone

Boomer - Bootes
Numbnuts - Norma
CG - About 10 to choose from
Busting You - errrrm... Ursa Major or Minor (U u see)

Great video though guys, despite the replayer "moments" and you two make an awesome team.

Btw on my hand that got shown I think my thought process at the time was something like

"Ok, I think X/F sucks here in a 7BB pot (getting 8-1 when bet at) but....."
"X/C? Shouldn't he just own me if I take that line if he can hand read remotely, I mean do I x/c a pair here, or X/R the river often enough?"
"Does he EVER fold A-high or a small PP condsider I've given him a "FU I don't care about your LRR line?"
"S**t better do something"

Last one being over-riding

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With regards to betting the turn, the fact that we are in position means villain is more than likely going to give us a free showdown with his missed draw which he is is more likely to make a bluff on river since we show weekness on turn.

If we check the turn and he bets the river do we call with K high? If we dont does this still make bet on turn + or -EV in the grand scheme of things.

I know the percentage of time we are up against a made hand on river rather than missed draw is going to be a lot higher say for arguments sake 90% made hand 10% draw.

If we check the turn the he is going to bet river 95%+ (estimate) with his made hands and 90%+(estimate) of time with his missed draw.

but if we bet the turn he bets river 40% of the time with his made hands (the amount of time he bets he is irrelevant since if we are not calling with K high we lose anyway) but he bluffs at river more like 5% of the time with his 10% of missed hands.

"S**t better do something"

this is not really a bad thought process in general in hu

I just downloaded and watched this. Solid video guys! You work well together and I find your thought processes really helpful. Keep it up.

ty estornudo we appreciate the feedback!

I think b/3b is way better because as we c/c turn no way he is putting us on 2pair anymore. If I'm in villain's shoes and see you donk I'm saying "Trips of Tens full" and raise

yeah agree, i think i talked myself around to it eventually; just the turn play threw me off

Video was cool. I like the series so far , bbb's and pygmyhero's analysis was A+.

The 7s7d hand was tough , i surprised to hear pygmy say he would fold the Jh on the turn and Not the Qh. When he broke down "loose donker's" flop donking range i thought to myself that i shoulda folded the Qh turn. But since i called I have to call the river if it is a brick but, the Jh river was awful. I beat nothing on the river. As i said before the guy donked btm pair , middle pair , top pair , AIR, and draws before. sick bad spot imo. I had like 20 hands on him and he played 15/20 hands

I find that when i game create like this i run into a lot of wild player types, most of which are poor. I go into a defensive call down mode with my marginal pair type hands when i get donked into. This has been going well for me though so far ( game creating) , i just try and make my player reads as fast as i can with the information available.

If we check the turn and he bets the river do we call with K high? If we dont does this still make bet on turn + or -EV in the grand scheme of things.

I don't think it's a terrible option. Keep in mind that we have the nut king high here and that people don't very often value bet A high. In other words, it may be more accurate to speak about our relative hand strength as virtually the nut no pair than K high.

Also, I would discount A high quite heavily from a donker's range.

Hey guise,
Love the format, got some super cool, very candid analysis. Can't wait to see future episodes. Thanks alot for looking at a couple of my hands. re: said hands:

AQ: yeah, i'm a sissy. I need to bet the turn.
T7s: I'm not entirely convinced about checking behind the river. It's so easy to fold to a river raise, that i think we can try and squeeze some value out of a 6, worse 7, small pocket pair, or even a strong K high, all of which are very much in his range. If he calls and we lose, it's only to a better 7 or an lol9. If he raises it's an instamuck. Seems like he calls with worse >50% and when he raises, it basically the same result as when he calls with a 9.
I obviously don't think checking behind is bad, I just don't think the river is a super easy check behind. So whatdya think? Did i sway you at all?

I wanted to state something about BBB's play which may be so obvious that it goes overlooked. His relaxed, have fun, but still agressive style has got to be a good one. raising for massive justice, catching dudes stealing cookies, collecting peanuts, etc. This is a great frame of mind to play poker in, and it is something I hope to emulate. good job elephant.

Hey guise,
Love the format, got some super cool, very candid analysis. Can't wait to see future episodes. Thanks alot for looking at a couple of my hands. re: said hands:

AQ: yeah, i'm a sissy. I need to bet the turn.
T7s: I'm not entirely convinced about checking behind the river. It's so easy to fold to a river raise, that i think we can try and squeeze some value out of a 6, worse 7, small pocket pair, or even a strong K high, all of which are very much in his range. If he calls and we lose, it's only to a better 7 or an lol9. If he raises it's an instamuck. Seems like he calls with worse >50% and when he raises, it basically the same result as when he calls with a 9.
I obviously don't think checking behind is bad, I just don't think the river is a super easy check behind. So whatdya think? Did i sway you at all?

sup NN, it's just a weird spot for me and i guess just it was kind of inconsistent which threw me. i mean if we're going for (thin) value then why not bet the turn and take a free showdown? and then since you checked the turn, which i'm assuming was for potcontrol/cheapershowdown/yousmelledarat, why open up a can of worms by betting the river too?

basically whenever goofy shit happens and i have a showdownable hand i want to Proceed. Directly. To. Showdown. as cheaply as possible for the most part.

i just also think that we're being too optimistic about this dude's handrange. obviously we mis-labeled him as taggytag or whatever since the only hand we see out of him he lolcalls the sb. but he coldcalls the sb to your btn open, then checkcalls the AA6rainbow flop no problem with a guy left to act behind him. i mean i just don't see all these hands in his range really. i see like Ax at least, i dunno, 90percent plus of the time. it just seems super alarm bell BANGARANGARANGARANGy to me. so as a result i want to pwn him and proceed directly to showdown.

I wanted to state something about BBB's play which may be so obvious that it goes overlooked. His relaxed, have fun, but still agressive style has got to be a good one. raising for massive justice, catching dudes stealing cookies, collecting peanuts, etc. This is a great frame of mind to play poker in, and it is something I hope to emulate. good job elephant.

<3 gauss, ty for the kind words. i'm probably a lil more relaxed analyzing other folks' hands than i am when i'm the one taking the bad beats though

yours in nomming cookies and peanuts,
bbb

With regards to betting the turn, the fact that we are in position means villain is more than likely going to give us a free showdown with his missed draw which he is is more likely to make a bluff on river since we show weekness on turn.

If we check the turn and he bets the river do we call with K high? If we dont does this still make bet on turn + or -EV in the grand scheme of things.

I know the percentage of time we are up against a made hand on river rather than missed draw is going to be a lot higher say for arguments sake 90% made hand 10% draw.

If we check the turn the he is going to bet river 95%+ (estimate) with his made hands and 90%+(estimate) of time with his missed draw.

but if we bet the turn he bets river 40% of the time with his made hands (the amount of time he bets he is irrelevant since if we are not calling with K high we lose anyway) but he bluffs at river more like 5% of the time with his 10% of missed hands.

jacks, i think you make some cool points. the turn bet here sometimes can almost be like a 'pacification bet' to save us a potentially tough river decision. i think you may be overestimating the aggression in his ranges though. at 2/4 fullring vs an unknown guy who did limp in pf in early position, i think any action from him especially on a big street is gonna be strongly weighted toward made hand and not very often an induced bluff. at higher stakes or shorthanded or versus known lagbot or induceable guys then yes considering calling with king high sometimes definitely comes into the picture. but i can probably count on one hand the number of successful king high calldowns i've ever made at 2/4 fullring in this kinda scenario.

and partially what i was saying with pyg there was that it's not like our turn bet is going in at a huge loss. we're only imo losing a small fraction of a bet, because sometimes it's for value, sometimes we still have 6 outs, and often it eases our river decision like you mentioned, and sometimes we river a pair and get to raise so implied odds, etc etc

Yeah numbnuts, the inconsistency between the turn and river was the thing to me. I think we either need to believe we have value on the turn (and b/f there) and river (b/f there as well), or that we don't on either and just hope it goes check/check and we drag the pot.

Yeah numbnuts, the inconsistency between the turn and river was the thing to me. I think we either need to believe we have value on the turn (and b/f there) and river (b/f there as well), or that we don't on either and just hope it goes check/check and we drag the pot.

you just wanted to say 'drag the pot' didn't you?

drag

drag drag drag

the pot

Ok, so i messed around with some ranges and I reconsidered my position on my T7 hand. Villians most likely holding that we get called by and beat is a pocket pair 22-55 and there are only 16 combos of those. Any ace has 16 combos and there are at least 5 or 6 aces in his range here. I'm cool with a check behind on the river.

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I wanted to state something about BBB's play which may be so obvious that it goes overlooked. His relaxed, have fun, but still agressive style has got to be a good one. raising for massive justice, catching dudes stealing cookies, collecting peanuts, etc. This is a great frame of mind to play poker in, and it is something I hope to emulate. good job elephant.

So true , couldn't have said it better.

If anyone has 5/10 , 8/16, or 10/20 hands please contribute. BBB and pygmyhero i know you guys have hands too.

Very good work! And lot's of fun to listen to!!!

-KcQc like the discussion leading to the MW flop donk. My reflex said X, but I got convinced !

-I had the same issue as Jacksalive with ur analysis of the KQ hand turn situation. So Im glad u have clarified that.

-77 temptig to raise the river IMO. I think many opps can't stop donking when they have started, so wouldn't be surpised if he kept firing some pair in desperation. That said these guys love to call there "bluffs". Just wantd to point out the option.

-Th7h. Don't assume imidiately that villain is bad when he CC from SB. Very, very important the reads we have on BB. Interesting to think what range SB sould call when we bet the flop. We still have a BTN steal range. Let's say SB has K-high. I think a call is good. little need to protect. I think BB will be very hard pressed to continue vs 2 opps on tat board. Also if BB XR we save a bet.

Interesting video... interesting...

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Do you actually say "sigh" or do you sigh?

Do you actually say "sigh" or do you sigh?

lol

Guess I actually say, "sigh."

I like the turn bet for a showdown w/KQ on the second hand. Villain can have like 72 combos of gutters/OESDs. Given the strength of our line, the dry flop, and the blank turn, we should be getting check/raised almost never, and folding live outs to a check/raise even less often. On the other hand, if there's no chance that he bluffs the river into a turn check, then there's no point in betting for a showdown.

My favorite part of the video is when BBB says "Out of 100 showdowns, how many do you expect to win here?" And the number 15 instantly popped into my head. And then he set the line at 15.

I like the turn bet for a showdown w/KQ on the second hand. Villain can have like 72 combos of gutters/OESDs. Given the strength of our line, the dry flop, and the blank turn, we should be getting check/raised almost never, and folding live outs to a check/raise even less often. On the other hand, if there's no chance that he bluffs the river into a turn check, then there's no point in betting for a showdown.

My favorite part of the video is when BBB says "Out of 100 showdowns, how many do you expect to win here?" And the number 15 instantly popped into my head. And then he set the line at 15.

<3

This is the second series that I am watching with BBB and Pyg. and I have to admit that I love the commentary of both coaches. It is great to watch vids in which you not only learn how to become a better player but also be able to enjoy a laugh here and there. I enjoy the style. Please add more FR!! Keep up the good work guys.

This is the second series that I am watching with BBB and Pyg. and I have to admit that I love the commentary of both coaches. It is great to watch vids in which you not only learn how to become a better player but also be able to enjoy a laugh here and there. I enjoy the style. Please add more FR!! Keep up the good work guys.

Submit some hand histories and you will see more full ring in this series!

Submit some hand histories and you will see more full ring in this series!

This is not a hand history but just a thought process that I am having difficulties wrapping my head around. I also believe this is my biggest leak. Here are two common spots that I would fold on the turn but I've seen others showing them down like it is a standard play. Folded to me in the CO, I raise /w 55, BTN fold, SB 3, BB folds and I call (Should I ever cap here in order to take initiative and fire two barrels on both flop and riv and check behind on the riv unimproved?), flop = 4-8-J r, SB bet, I call, turn K, SB bet and I fold, should I see showdown? I feel that I am beat here a huge portion of the time, I am only ahead of A highs and some worse pocket pairs like 22 and 33. Imo this is not enough of a range for me to see showdown automatically even against a LAGGY player. What about this scenario, I 2 bet from EP /w 77-10s, a Tag 3 bet from MP, everyone folds to me, I call. Flop = 2-6-Q r, I check, he bets, I 2 bet and he 3 bet, imo I am beat here a huge portion of the time. Should I fold on the turn unimproved or should I see showdown?

I would love to hear someone comment on this frequent spots that I have some difficulties with. I also hope that I am clear in my explanation.

This is not a hand history but just a thought process that I am having difficulties wrapping my head around. I also believe this is my biggest leak. Here are two common spots that I would fold on the turn but I've seen others showing them down like it is a standard play. Folded to me in the CO, I raise /w 55, BTN fold, SB 3, BB folds and I call (Should I ever cap here in order to take initiative and fire two barrels on both flop and riv and check behind on the riv unimproved?), flop = 4-8-J r, SB bet, I call, turn K, SB bet and I fold, should I see showdown? I feel that I am beat here a huge portion of the time, I am only ahead of A highs and some worse pocket pairs like 22 and 33. Imo this is not enough of a range for me to see showdown automatically even against a LAGGY player. What about this scenario, I 2 bet from EP /w 77-10s, a Tag 3 bet from MP, everyone folds to me, I call. Flop = 2-6-Q r, I check, he bets, I 2 bet and he 3 bet, imo I am beat here a huge portion of the time. Should I fold on the turn unimproved or should I see showdown?

I would love to hear someone comment on this frequent spots that I have some difficulties with. I also hope that I am clear in my explanation.

post in the limit forum imo for more/better responses

I'm new to D/C and I really liked this episode. One of the best things is the amount of explanation behind the thoughts. Some of the other videos, it's like you are just listening in to two guys talking together, with them not making an effort to address the possible questions viewers might have.

I will be on board for all episodes of this series!

BTW, to what eMail address do we send hand histories>

I'm new to D/C and I really liked this episode. One of the best things is the amount of explanation behind the thoughts. Some of the other videos, it's like you are just listening in to two guys talking together, with them not making an effort to address the possible questions viewers might have.

I will be on board for all episodes of this series!

BTW, to what eMail address do we send hand histories>

ty for the feedback bill, and welcome to the forums!

send your hands here: LimitHandHistories@deucescracked.com

Hi Jane, obviously having any sort of information on the opponents would be immensely beneficial, but briefly:

55 we can cap PF sometimes for value/deception and to retake the initiative. As played I think folding the turn is best - as you say you don't beat much of the SB's range. I think either way is fine and I'd probably mix it up a bit. The key is to make sure you're integrating your choice into your overall play style. For example, if you always just call here but cap your premium hands, you are NOT integrating your play.

On the 77-TT hand I again think capping and retaking the lead is valid. I also think just calling is fine, though if I do I'm probably more inclined to just x/c this sort of flop. Let them barrel worse, don't let them punish you when you're behind, and don't let them 3b like this where I'm still feeling like they could have AK.

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I really enjoyed this video theres so much comedy in it lol it just makes me laugh
the conflicts Pyg & BBB get in are priceless would like to get my hand histories sent into b4 the series end! Where can I send them? I hope im not to late

I really enjoyed this video theres so much comedy in it lol it just makes me laugh
the conflicts Pyg & BBB get in are priceless would like to get my hand histories sent into b4 the series end! Where can I send them? I hope im not to late

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