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Poker Video: MTT/SNG by Soepgroente (Mid Stakes)

mixed game action with VingtCent!

Do you tend to play O 8/b looser than in the other games? Seems like you were involved in more hands with more marginal holdings at the beginning of the video.

Also, could you comment on playing more agro vs players who you perceive to be weaker at certain games? What other factors during a final table (or cashing) bubble are you looking to exploit besides stack size, position and whether a player is weaker at that particular game? In the limit games, what stack sizes (in terms of BBs they have) are you more prone to attack on these bubbles?

Congrats on the 2-7 NL jersey! That was a very helpful video as well.

In the limit games you want to attack the small/medium stacks as they're worried about securing a cash and losing a big part of their stack in a single hand. Supershortstackguy wants to double and bigstackguy isn't worried so anything inbetween those basically make for good targets.

As for O8, I should really play tight there as it's probably my worst game of the mix, I just don't like folding my blind when I get 3.5:1. Honestly that game probably puts me on subtle tilt and I make mistakes I shouldn't make/don't make in most of the other games. I have played cash up to 75/150$ and saw people play absolutely atrociously in certain ways, but I'm probably doing some stuff really badly myself that I haven't figured out yet because I couldn't beat them for much (though small sample size)

sweet cant wait to give this a watch im a limit and mixed game newbie

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Vamonovomaestr0 stalling so he doesn't have to post BB just before stud...

Vamonovomaestr0 stalling so he doesn't have to post BB just before stud...

Right that's kinda clever. And another reason why they should use a format with #hands instead of #minutes in their structures.

Loved both of your FTOPS vids.
PLEASE KEEP EM' COMIN!!

In the limit games you want to attack the small/medium stacks as they're worried about securing a cash and losing a big part of their stack in a single hand. Supershortstackguy wants to double and bigstackguy isn't worried so anything inbetween those basically make for good targets.

As for O8, I should really play tight there as it's probably my worst game of the mix, I just don't like folding my blind when I get 3.5:1. Honestly that game probably puts me on subtle tilt and I make mistakes I shouldn't make/don't make in most of the other games. I have played cash up to 75/150$ and saw people play absolutely atrociously in certain ways, but I'm probably doing some stuff really badly myself that I haven't figured out yet because I couldn't beat them for much (though small sample size)

O8 is a pretty weird game because when you get short-handed most hands are pretty close in equity even including the river and I think what the actual good hands are is probably counter-intuitive that I haven't really figured it out yet. Thus I lose at O8 all the time vs guys who play 50 VPIP and don't know why. It seems pretty simple just to nut-peddle in FR multi-way with (A2) and win all the monies but 6m seems way more complicated than that.

But basically instead of thinking about getting 3.5:1, you should really ask yourself, how often do I get to the river and how often do I take the betting lead myself and get value on those bets? Usually when I make a defend from the BB only because I'm getting 3.5:1, the answer to those questions is not often enough to both. Remember you have to put in 6SB to get to showdown, and you often do due to the split pot + limit nature, so 3.5:1 matters so little when you end up chasing after your half with your weak hands.

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I think check/fold is best vs that strong of a board. It's just so damn strong that a lot of the time he doesn't even care that you have a big pair. Also the idea of investing 3 bets on a bluff vs someone who's going to the river a lot and can improve pretty easily so that he does fold one pair is a bit optimistic.

But basically instead of thinking about getting 3.5:1, you should really ask yourself, how often do I get to the river and how often do I take the betting lead myself and get value on those bets? Usually when I make a defend from the BB only because I'm getting 3.5:1, the answer to those questions is not often enough to both. Remember you have to put in 6SB to get to showdown, and you often do due to the split pot + limit nature, so 3.5:1 matters so little when you end up chasing after your half with your weak hands.

Sure, and it's not like I'd defend utter trash but still I think folding a lot is a mistake and I have to improve my postflop play rather than play tighter preflop

Schweig: Yeah I agree. I just find it hard to balance that kind of spot with AAxxx. Just c/f air and bet AA doesn't seem right so I'd then want to c/c or c/r AAxxx there, but I'm never going to do that with a bluff so I'd rather just lead my whole range or be unbalanced, which makes it a spot I dislike/am not sure what to do with. I should probably give up a bit more in stud high in general though.

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I'm no stud expert, but I guess this should be a fold on third. You have practically no shot at the low, and you could either be already crushed, or very easily overtaken later on.

I'm no stud expert, but I guess this should be a fold on third. You have practically no shot at the low, and you could either be already crushed, or very easily overtaken later on.

Problem is he has like any 2 in the hole there, I'd hate to fold TT against A6J or something. You might be right, but I think ilushan is raising pretty much any 3.


Hand Equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
TsTd|2c 52.85% 251,103 370,676 29 20,781 44
**|Ac 47.15% 216,918 229,295 29 152,770 44

I guess it's like 45% if he doesn't raise the very worst Axx but I still hate folding flips when I get good odds and my hand is actually sorta well disguised.

The problem is it costs a lot to call down and he has a card that allows him to put in a ton of aggression often and not really care. So it's not really a "flip" because you're going to have fold a bunch of equity on 4th and 5th a lot more or call down a lot hoping to redeem half which is really annoying in a tournament for a third to half your stack.

That works both ways though, if I catch a 3 and he has like AK2 and catches a 9 he'll c/f a bunch of equity. I think equity changes the most towards 4th and I can see it cheaply so I should. Again I'm no stud8 monster so I could be wrong on this, but I'll keep this opinion as long as it makes sense for me

It doesn't really work both ways in equal amounts though, just because of powerful the A is, and the one-wayness of our hand. I don't think the equity changes *that* much on 4th: besides him catching an ace, there is no fourth we really love folding on. There are some 4th where he c/fs but overall it doesn't happen enough that it's a big deal. So really 5th is a lot much more important street and it's probably the one where we c/f the most frequent and the most equity in practice.

I think this is a spot where the optimal strategy might be to pretty much call every bet till showdown on a lot of boards, just because his range is so wide and the split pot nature of the game where equities don't really distribute widely enough on later streets, but it's pretty brutal to do that in a tourney when the bets are so big. And out of the options of calling a couple bets and making tight folds or just giving up straight away, it's probably close but I err on the lower variance strat late game in a tourney.

pretty old vid .. but I just wanted to stop by and post that I really loved your analysis (mixed games, icm, bubble, etc.). would love to see some more mixed games MTTs on DC