Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by Deepsquat (High Stakes)

Good stuff. A minor point, I personally prefer 4 colour decks, they are easier to read in my opinion.

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/12021-Episode-Two?seek=406

I kind of get the always limping from the small blind, but isn't 24o just rubbish? We are out of position with trash. Although its cheap, and provides some extra disguise for our best hands, it seems to me that we are often going to end up folding on the flop, like we do here.

It strikes me we can have a very wide range in this spot and still fold the worst of the worst.

A similar sort of query when we complete with Q3o in the small blind...

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/12021-Episode-Two?seek=577

I know its cheap to limp along (depending how often BB is going to be 3 bet) and I dare-say the rake is not too bad at 15/30, but are you not at all tempted just to pass this hand? It seems to me its going to be horrible to play and a lot of the time you aren't going to hit anything that you can continue with.

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Hmm i dont really bet-call this board on the right too much

Hey Redhot,

Thanks for watching.

The theory behind limping the SB in 2/3 structure is primarily due to the fantastic odds we are getting and as a result, the wide range of hands BB should be playing in response.

The fact that we are getting such good odds to play hands, means BB should be playing many more hands too. So if BB is correctly going to be playing nearly all his hands (getting 3-1 in position if we raise) then much of the benefit of raising in the first place is negated. There is nothing we can do to prevent BB from playing the pot against us.

So we are getting 5-1 if we limp and BB doesnt raise, this makes it correct to play 100% of our range seeing as calling is super cheap. The best he can do is cut our odds to 3-1 if he raises our limp.

The big benefit comes from the information he gives us when he raises and when he doesnt raise.

If he raises, we get a good idea about his range, if he doesnt then we also get some information about his range. If he doesnt raise, we also get to see a flop getting 5-1.

Meanwhile he knows nothing about our range (info hiding). We can also represent hands on 100% of boards so we can have a pretty low threshold for kr the flop if we limp and he raises. He cant assume we are weak.

Its hard to say whether one strategy is better than another, but its definately something worth considering in this structure.

Btw- if you are interested in this at all, Phil Newall covers it well in "The Intelligent Poker Player"

Interesting pyscho..

Intuitevely it seems ok given we vs an aggressive BB in a wide range spot. Ill have to stove it later to look at what our range looks like

Interesting pyscho..

Intuitevely it seems ok given we vs an aggressive BB in a wide range spot. Ill have to stove it later to look at what our range looks like

Yeah i know, its just that we dont have that many good cards for our hand and i really think his checkraising range is 10x+, flushdraws and not really that many gutshots, and against that range we have very little equity and its probably going to cost 2,5 bb to get to showdown the times the board bricks out and we call down..

Ya we only have about 17% equity on flop if hes pretty honest. If hes throwing in bd draws and bluffs its a bit more but prob a fold. Thanks for that mate

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Left table - Is this a standard defend in the BB with 63o against the Btn open ?

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Right table - I would be interested to know why you did not open A6o from the CO.

Hey fantam,

Thanks for watching.

Both those hands i kinda close. I generally dont open below A7o in the CO unless BTN is tight or BB is exceptionally bad. Maybe its too tight? What are you opening in terms of offsuit Ax from CO?

63o again is close and prob a fold vs tpirahna due to how well he plays postflop. I think 64o is close and 65o and 63s is definately ok. I think in general most tags are too tight from BB but due to our opponent i think its actually a fold. Thanks for picking that up.

As a sidenote, its very hard to stove for these spots now, especially seeing good players are chking back flops more and more

Hi DS

Thanks for the reply.

As a default, I am opening A5o+ from the CO. (FWIW I am playing at 0.50/1.00). I had a look at my PT database, but my sample size was not large enough to be meaningful.

I think I chose A5o from a combination of a hand chart in the Stox book and watching DC videos.

I'm curious about a cold call 2 range in the BB when its a wide range vs wide range situation like say Btn PFR & SB 3-b or CO PFR & SB 3-bet. I think you've briefly addressed this in your last 2 videos, but haven't given a full description of your play style in this spot. I believe you cold call your entire range in a more narrow range situation, but still 4-bet your stronger hands in a wide range situation like I've mentioned? If the latter is true, do you still have a cold call 2 range even though you are 4-betting your best hands? Is so, what would that range look like, more or less, and what things should I be thinking about if/when I decided to cold call 2 with a particular hand? I think there is a spot where you fold 33 and another spot or two where you fold AJ that had me thinking about this.

If you go into this in great deal in a future video, I apologize for jumping the gun.

I actually dont cap in BB at all in HU or 3 way pots.

Only when its 4 handed+ will I cap. I think this starts to get to the threshold where we need to capitalizing pf with our good hands and not worry so much about disguising our hand.

We also cant rely on getting an opportunity to kr the flop when it starts getting 4 handed as good opponents wont always cbet, so its best to get the $$ in pf.

I will coldcall my entire playing range in all situations in the BB.

Occasionally I will deviate from this in certain situations, but cc or fold is my standard.

Regarding hand selection, the absolute, most paramount thing is opponents imo. If opponents are bad, find a way to get into the pot. I think you can call right down to suited gappers etc if say a bad CO opens, Lag/tage 3bets in SB.

The thing with having a balanced coldcall range is we can take advantage of these situations without being handcuffed into either:

1) Having to cap or fold marginal hands

and

2) Being unbalanced by having a weaker than usual pf range

Id be more than happy to cover this concept in greater detail in a future video if people are interested

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64o - i think i'd prefer to call the river since you say you don't have a great read on him. we beat some things (granted, not many), are getting an okay price, and can get info about his range

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thoughts on folding the k3o otb pf? the bb is a very strong reg. if nothing else it seems a little incongruent with only opening a7o+ in the co

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86ss i often 4bet the turn here in this kind of spot, reasoning that he sometimes has draws as well (which i want to win the pot vs when the draws miss), as well as just the fact that we have eight high with reasonable equity in a huge pot. thoughts on this?

as far as value hands what's the bottom of our capping range on the turn here? qq?

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ajss - value cap pf mw?

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85dd another spot where i assume we're 3betting turn if raised?

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AJcc my first thought was cap

64o - i think i'd prefer to call the river since you say you don't have a great read on him. we beat some things (granted, not many), are getting an okay price, and can get info about his range

Hey mate, thanks for watching!

I suck at multi-quoting so ill answer each post individually

Obv close riv spot, especially w/out a read. Im okay with a call, i dont think either is wrong and we'd be pretty happy to know how wide hes raising our limps so SD is fine. Prob just bet timing/game flow i felt fold was better but its probably closer to a call if we did the maths id guess

thoughts on folding the k3o otb pf? the bb is a very strong reg. if nothing else it seems a little incongruent with only opening a7o+ in the co

Im pretty comfortable opening all my Kx otb although if i still had my old DB id be interested to filter to see if it was a winner. Not sure whether it was this video but someone mentioned im an uber nit for folding A7o in CO and i now open that

86ss i often 4bet the turn here in this kind of spot, reasoning that he sometimes has draws as well (which i want to win the pot vs when the draws miss), as well as just the fact that we have eight high with reasonable equity in a huge pot. thoughts on this?

as far as value hands what's the bottom of our capping range on the turn here? qq?

Very interesting spot. Apart from spade draws i dont think there are so many draws he can have but if the board was J42Tss id like it alot more. What do you think?

I think QQ+ is a cap although i kinda like call the turn 3b and raising the riv if im not going to cap any semibluffs. But i agree with the range

ajss - value cap pf mw?

I think it prob is actually. I was toying around with not capping at all back then, but im back now Fwiw, this would be the bottom of my capping range

85dd another spot where i assume we're 3betting turn if raised?

Ya id def 3b this turn, espcially seeing we are oop and theres prob alot more draws

AJcc my first thought was cap

Looking back at it now i was surprised i fold but given that we will be oop to 2 breakeven/non retarded players and a worldclass reg, i wouldnt be suprised if a fold is correct... I cant stove for the loss of EV being oop but its prob close either way. Or am i nitting it up?

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a8o - what's your plan if checkraised on turn?

a8o - what's your plan if checkraised on turn?

Hate my turn bet. Prob should fold if we are kr, which is why i hate the bet.

Somewhat depends on if he ever slowplays pairs, or draws i guess. Problem with b/c is that we prob should be folding alot of rivs like 9/T/Q/K and we are arent even good on 8x alot of the time.

In general b/c would be a losing play and very exploitable

Im pretty comfortable opening all my Kx otb although if i still had my old DB id be interested to filter to see if it was a winner. Not sure whether it was this video but someone mentioned im an uber nit for folding A7o in CO and i now open that

i usually have any ace in the co and like k6o otb as a default...maybe my ranges are incongruent

it can show up in the filter as a loser and still be adding EV to your overall range though

Very interesting spot. Apart from spade draws i dont think there are so many draws he can have but if the board was J42Tss id like it alot more. What do you think?

I think QQ+ is a cap although i kinda like call the turn 3b and raising the riv if im not going to cap any semibluffs. But i agree with the range

yeah, your board example has a ton more draws so there are lots more combos we're targeting...i'm on board with that.

Looking back at it now i was surprised i fold but given that we will be oop to 2 breakeven/non retarded players and a worldclass reg, i wouldnt be suprised if a fold is correct... I cant stove for the loss of EV being oop but its prob close either way. Or am i nitting it up?

I tried to stove it, but never played much with any of these players so am not sure how accurate I am with the ranges...I put in what I think are reasonable ranges but let me know what you think. the guy taking 3 otb threw me for a bit of a loop.


941,689,475 games 5.109 secs 184,319,724 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
HJ OPENER 17.062% 16.77% 00.29% 157915817 2755527.80 { 55+, A2s+, K9s+, QTs+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QJo }
CO 3BETTOR: 25.158% 24.90% 00.25% 234516097 2394402.30 { 44+, A7s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, A9o+, KJo+ }
BUTTON 3 TO FACE TAKER: 17.095% 16.74% 00.35% 157647555 3333491.30 { 77-22, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s, AQo-AJo }
HERO YAY: 25.993% 25.66% 00.34% 241607231 3168443.30 { AcJc }
BB: 14.692% 13.67% 01.02% 128713798 9637113.30 { random }


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I don't think its really fair/accurate to assume BB is coming along with his entire range preflop, seems like he's adding a lot of equity here with hands he's just going to fold pre.

Also, what kinda of computer are you running these sims on? 200 million games a sec seems ridiculous, mines running at 700 000 games/sec.

FWIW, using's BBB's ranges w/o BB, hero has about 26% equity 4-ways, so I'd say its close with dead money already committed to the pot.

yeah true, i shouldn't have put BB in there

i'm on my old laptop, not sure why it says what it says - i may have used enumerate all instead of monte carlo or something

Thanks for stoving mate. I agree with slide and you re: BB

Im not sure what to make of BTN, which is why stove will prob only give us a rough idea and obv we have no idea what BB will do.

I think AJo is a clear fold and AQo is prob a coldcap fwiw so its gotts be close...