Poker Video: Omaha/Omaha 8 by danzasmack (High Stakes)

I have been looking forward to this. I love Limit O8 and aspire to get better at it. Thanks Chuck!

Great stuff Chuck. I feel like you covered a lot of mistakes that I have been making in my occasional (unsuccessful) forays into LO8. Makes me want to get back in there and play the game right.

The hand where you had AK83 and the board came out K75(heart draw) - Q - 4h, you just called the river with the second nut low and some high value. Would you have raised the end if it had been an offsuit 4? Or is the logic that his line (bet/call flop, bet turn, bet river) is never being taken with a hand that loses both high and low to you, so there's no value in a raise and you just freeroll yourself those times he happens to show up with a 3/4 or scoop?

Edit: Sorry I didn't include a time stamp but it is toward the end, around the 38 minute mark iirc.

Hey Guys,

Sorry if the video seemed rushed at all. I actually finished an entire video that ended up with no audio because I left the mic off the whole time (true story). If the commentary is a little slippery anywhere let me know because I think I played well the whole session.

Sweetjazz,

You can go either way there. That guy was playing so goofy. On the os 4 I certainly would have raised, it's close on the flush completing card but I think just calling is a little better.

Really looking forward to this series.

enjoyed it, definatly a game I am gonna look into

Inside every one of them there is a little danzasmack:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sUOnomdtWU

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Loved the video.

edit: and they say white men can't rap?

Slightly more lenient than a LHE BR. I think you can get away w/300bbs if you're a reg in the game. When you run bad it's BAD but in general I see much less variance in the games.

yeah, its been one week ! give 2nd episode alrdy

I think Chuck's style works really well in smaller LO8 games with more players. As the players get better and the hands dealt goes down to four or five, I am concerned that Chuck's style doesn't see enough showdowns to compensate for the blinds.

Anyone else have a comment on this ?

I show down a ton shorthanded. As is, folding in certain lineups is better.

SH and HU 2 pair will be good, any decent low is in there. It's just like in any poker game - calling down 88 on a JT4xx on LHE is good HU, but will be pretty rough in a 9 handed game.

Going back and watching these to improve my LO8 game. Really glad this series exists.

The hand around 19:15, 8653 where we barrel the turn and river, has me thinking a lot because I don't feel confident I pick these bluffing spots well at game-time.

Preflop: btn raise, we call.

OK, we pretty much have to defend this even though he's limped his first two buttons HU. If we give him a 20% range, we're 45%, but of course the reverse IO we're laying knocks our equity down to about 40%, say.

Flop (3.93 SB): J 9 8
Check, check.

I presume we're just giving up if he cbets. When he doesn't cbet, our interpretation is that he's either given up himself or is slowplaying. (Do $15 players make as many poor slowplays as at lower stakes? Or does the higher aggression make slowplaying monsters more acceptable?)

What range is he raising pre and checking back here? Any hand (within the 20%) that doesn't have 2 diamonds, KK, AA, a set, two pair, JT, T9, or T8? Is he ever checking back a medium strength hand (e.g. AA) to get value from worse on the turn and river? Given the board, that seems suicidal, right?

Turn (1.97 BB): Q

So when he checks back the flop, I see why a turn bet getting almost 2:1 is mandatory. Hands helped by that queen are a small part of his range versus hands he's just giving up on. Our bottom pair beats much of his give-up range at showdown, but his give-up range has good enough equity that we'd like to fold it out.

But he calls. What's his range now? He'd probably raise any straight, right? So we think he's calling with any two pair, any set, KK, AA, any queen, flush draws that he didn't bet on the flop (say, 25% of the time), maybe 76.

River (3.97 BB): K

We bet.

We're getting about 4:1 so we need him to fold > 20% of his range that would win at showdown. What makes up that 20%? 76 (with a pair above eights), AA (folds most of the time), one pair of queens (folds most of the time). Any two pair? Just two pair below queens up?

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Sorry for such painstakingly detailed questions. Here's the Cliff's notes:

What does he fold on the river that beats us, and how certain are we that it makes up 20% of what he's calling the turn with?

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I'm just trying to understand how the game plays at these stakes and HU. Going through this process with a hand is helpful even if no one replies, but hopefully someone will reply with feedback about my thought process.