Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by BigBadBabar (Micro/Small Stakes)

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LOL! Your rock WAS a dog against my range!

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pwn3d

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pwned!

Again.

gg

DC guys - the freeze frame (screen shot) being used is incorrect - it looks like it's from KRANTZ's series.

I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself well here, so I'm referring to the area where the video runs, but before you load and play it.

wtf. less than a minute into the play and they're already bagging on me?


Anyway I don't think you should bet there either since you're losing some % of the time. The one time I advocated a bet in a spot where the board can play, the chances of you being beat were less than the chances of our opponent misclick folding (i.e. almost 0)

LOL it was such a good decision to check out the intro of this vid despite not playing LHE

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Best reason EVER for 3-betting someone

"He's 48/18 and we don't like him"

Thanks guys, just what I needed today

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Wow, humongous own...the elephant is currently untamed imo

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Wow the hand on the left is particularly awesome. Someone just melvoned himself.

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LOL yet more Time Bank Action

Btw I call that one pretty much always for great s00ted but nice to see the thought process.

Not fair to the other instructors to have one video be this entertaining.

Ok why can't I vote 6??? This is going to be epic imo

Great Job guys

Assuming BBB makes it to next week that is. Dirty Looks from Anonymous DC listeners can lead to bad things

LOL yet more Time Bank Action

Btw I call that one pretty much always for great s00ted but nice to see the thought process.

Yeah by the way if anyone wants us to elaborate on these spots we will. BBB and I talked after the video and realized there were a lot of these types of spots we disagreed on. So if anyone wants to hear more leave a time stamp and we'll both post our point of view.

Ok why can't I vote 6??? This is going to be epic imo

Well you could give the next video one star. Wait...

Minor criticism: sloppy avatar emotion changes in the second part of the video, started out solid though, I like your reasoning.

"Tell us, great Pygmy, what are the nuts?
And don't give us any if, ands, or buts."
"Wait now, don't make me rush,
on this board it is a straight flush."
"No that flush is called a royal,
and what are you doing with ten deuce, Doyle?"

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FWIW, I'd call here -- I don't fold if it's suited or if it's a pair. ATo or AJo I'd muck here in these games, but not A8s.

Rob

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So what is the play here with A8o? U didn't finish talking about the hand.

U guys tag teaming this serious is awesome , i was waiting for this to happen.

Great start to this series guys. The only thing I am distressed about is the fact that it says "biweekly" in the description. Say it ain't so......

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I now raise like 90% when its limped to me , depending on the opponent. Vs. an Unknown its 100% raisydaisy cuz i already assume they are bad if they open complete the SB. It creates alot of fold equity postflop and also can give you that "OMFG your an idiot image" i.e. you pop 27o and the board comes 22xxx. I find it works for me since i usually sit with megafish to my right so often.

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"If they were both tags you would cold cap", BBB? Explanation?

/bows

Tight is right in low limits.

great vid.

A 3 at 16:45. I like checking the turn here since we also have the FD and may induce from total junk on the river or have villain hit a tainted out. We can still v-bet the river if he checks. $1 players don't level themselves into calling down with all Khighs there.

6 stars. most hilarious vid ever. great watching you run ice cold, continue to play HU, and don't tiltz.


BBB 10/10 commentary bro.

gg

ciao

WIZARD!

edit: omg, don't fold suited cards to a cap. A8s, flopping an A beats all lower PPs which have 2 outs when behind. We can peel suited cards and more often realize our equity by hitting an A on a later street. We aren't going crazy if Axx flops. However, we can reverse dominate a better Ahigh.

Minor criticism: sloppy avatar emotion changes in the second part of the video, started out solid though, I like your reasoning.

Pretty sure my play was unexploitable. Leave time stamps please.

So what is the play here with A8o? U didn't finish talking about the hand.

U guys tag teaming this serious is awesome , i was waiting for this to happen.

I am not super inclined to fold the flop given that it's hard for him to hit the J42 and since he's barreling 100% of his range my A high can easily be the best hand. I might improve on the turn, he could check back, the board could brick, leading me to think about possibly showing down, etc.

Great start to this series guys. The only thing I am distressed about is the fact that it says "biweekly" in the description. Say it ain't so......

It is biweely. But that just means we have more time to come up with more super awesome introductions!

/bows

Tight is right in low limits.

great vid.

A 3 at 16:45. I like checking the turn here since we also have the FD and may induce from total junk on the river or have villain hit a tainted out. We can still v-bet the river if he checks. $1 players don't level themselves into calling down with all Khighs there.

I don't really know what you mean by a tainted out. Deuces are on board so if he makes a third pair he can beat my ace high. The main impetus for my bet is because I see people peel non-showdownable 6 outers here all the time.

Your desire to check the turn and value bet the river is contradictory with your belief that villain's won't call K high.

6 stars. most hilarious vid ever. great watching you run ice cold, continue to play HU, and don't tiltz.

BBB and I actually laughed about this session quite a bit. I was pretty sure I was buried at the end, so we looked at my HEM graph:

Results

LOL! Your rock WAS a dog against my range!

i mean this is like saying 2>1; congratulations imo

LOL yet more Time Bank Action

Btw I call that one pretty much always for great s00ted but nice to see the thought process.

he doesn't want me to publicize it but whenever pyg wants to fold and i want to call, he passive aggressively times out and then is like 'oh darn it' and i'm like 'nice one nubsauce i see what u did there'

Minor criticism: sloppy avatar emotion changes in the second part of the video, started out solid though, I like your reasoning.

it's tough imo cuz when you lose every pot you can go back and forth from angry to confused i guess but you have more range of avatarchange emotion available when you're winning pots too because then more feeling can come into play

"Tell us, great Pygmy, what are the nuts?
And don't give us any if, ands, or buts."
"Wait now, don't make me rush,
on this board it is a straight flush."
"No that flush is called a royal,
and what are you doing with ten deuce, Doyle?"

SWEETJAZZ FOR DC POET LAUREATE

So what is the play here with A8o? U didn't finish talking about the hand.

U guys tag teaming this serious is awesome , i was waiting for this to happen.

looks like we just timed out - i'm def peeling the flop here and re-evaluating on turn. ace high does well vs a btn open range on this flop imo

I now raise like 90% when its limped to me , depending on the opponent. Vs. an Unknown its 100% raisydaisy cuz i already assume they are bad if they open complete the SB. It creates alot of fold equity postflop and also can give you that "OMFG your an idiot image" i.e. you pop 27o and the board comes 22xxx. I find it works for me since i usually sit with megafish to my right so often.

yea like i said i'm familiar with the idea and think it's probably +ev for sure, i just tend to raise a large amount of hands selectively like good hands plus some medium balance stuff and find that works well also and i'm comfy w/it

if a dude is known to me as a limpfolder or a low wtsd i'll start bangin any two

Great start to this series guys. The only thing I am distressed about is the fact that it says "biweekly" in the description. Say it ain't so......

to quote pyg, dc didn't want our 'beams of awesome' to overpower everybody

lawls <3

i think there's some lhe plan goin on with rob's dojo as well

"If they were both tags you would cold cap", BBB? Explanation?

KJo when a tag opens btn and a laggy loose guy 3bangs the sb? if we'd coldcap KQo or KTs here a good portion of the time then i think KJo is a cap a nonzero portion of the time as well basically cuz of ranges, dead money possibly can be created, steal resteal dynamics, etc.

i feel like since everybody knows about stealing the blinds and most everyone has discovered the Resteal that we can open up our coldcap range sometimes. it's especially good if the first guy can raisefold pf (good note to have on someone)

A 3 at 16:45. I like checking the turn here since we also have the FD and may induce from total junk on the river or have villain hit a tainted out. We can still v-bet the river if he checks. $1 players don't level themselves into calling down with all Khighs there.

yeah idk if he levels himself into doing it but he might be bad enough to do it just cuz why not or whatever. he can have a worse fd as well. he's so passive i don't really wanna call any bet i 'induce' from him really ever

BBB and I actually laughed about this session quite a bit. I was pretty sure I was buried at the end, so we looked at my HEM graph:

Results

wow ship the comeback

FWIW, I'd call here -- I don't fold if it's suited or if it's a pair. ATo or AJo I'd muck here in these games, but not A8s.

Rob

yea we timed out while arguing it - i like a call and pyg still likes a fold i think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mohTaIaZhDU

WIZZZZZZZZARD

So here's the problem with the A8s hand. Neither side could really build a Razor that's going to 'win' the argument. There are just way too many assumptions we'd need to build in and argue over endlessly.

In my mind these are significant negatives:
-I really think the 3-bettor and cold capper have very strong hand ranges that will be hard to overcome getting 'only' 5:1 PF,
-our IO are cut by the fact that we're calling 2 small bets rather than 1 to see the flop,
-we make an 8 and put more money in bad still chasing (not necessarily showing down)
-we make an A and put in money dominated / we make an A and they get away/minimize,
-we get mooshed on the flop due to our poor relative position

And to me they outweigh the positives - which in this thread so far has only been s00000000ted. I know there's more to the spot than that, so maybe someone wants to post the counter-argument?

wow pyg and i are having an epic discussion now which we are gonna type up later

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Does your river decision change here if you had seen that hand where he bluff donk/called all 3 streets at 13.20-13.45 ?

I might be over adjusting to the read I have on him as being spazzy, but I think the river is more close than you make it.

What had you done with Ax or a low pp?

Isac, you're making a good point about the previous hand. I'll stand by the fold - I think the action and board textures are just too different. When he bluffed he donked, and the board texture of 932r is one that could easily miss the PFR-er. In our hand the board was QJ3 (should hit me pretty well) and he x/r-ed. I agree with the spazz read I just don't think this is the right spot.

You are implying that our hand is roughly equal to A high / a low pocket pair, and I think that's true as far as relative strength right now. The thing is I'll have to call 2.5 BB to get to showdown and some of these hand really hate that (especially low PP's that are drawing dead when we're wrong). In other words, I might fold stronger hands (in an absolutely sense) earlier - as I mentioned I was calling with the intention of drawing.

I don't really know what you mean by a tainted out. Deuces are on board so if he makes a third pair he can beat my ace high. The main impetus for my bet is because I see people peel non-showdownable 6 outers here all the time.

Your desire to check the turn and value bet the river is contradictory with your belief that villain's won't call K high.

unpaired hands have 4 outs, not 6. 2 are tainted by our nutFD, no?

You see villains call teh turn with QJ here? If this is the case, they are bad enough to bluff the river with some garbage, imo.

I guess I disagree that it is a value bet.

Isac, you're making a good point about the previous hand. I'll stand by the fold - I think the action and board textures are just too different. When he bluffed he donked, and the board texture of 932r is one that could easily miss the PFR-er. In our hand the board was QJ3 (should hit me pretty well) and he x/r-ed. I agree with the spazz read I just don't think this is the right spot.

You are implying that our hand is roughly equal to A high / a low pocket pair, and I think that's true as far as relative strength right now. The thing is I'll have to call 2.5 BB to get to showdown and some of these hand really hate that (especially low PP's that are drawing dead when we're wrong). In other words, I might fold stronger hands (in an absolutely sense) earlier - as I mentioned I was calling with the intention of drawing.

Thanks Mike,

Yeah my thought was more that in the vid you or BBB said he was LP (which I think is not an acurate read) so you expect him to have a strong hand here, whereas I think he'll have a bunch of draws aswell. I think combos like T9,KT,K9,T8,AT,98 and total bluffes are in his range.
I do agree that his flop raise and not xr is supposed to me more for straight up value, but he might be a player who will bluff a board like this. (I don't think he is the player type that thinks about how well the board hits your range).

Agree about the pp's and Ax's without a draw, but had you called the flop and turn with ATo or 88 had you also check-folded the river?

Okay, I understand what you mean now about the tainted out.

You see villains call teh turn with QJ here? If this is the case, they are bad enough to bluff the river with some garbage, imo.

That doesn't logically follow. I expect them to call with random overs because they are passive. I don't really expect them to bet the river because that's an aggressive play.

Agree about the pp's and Ax's without a draw, but had you called the flop and turn with ATo or 88 had you also check-folded the river?

That's a tough question. I guess the 'obvious' answer is that I'd fold since it's roughly the same hand as KT and because I expect his 3-barreling range to mostly be decent value hands.

Yeah, I thought it was tough with your KT aswell and was just a little surprised that neither of you mentioned anything about the previous hand.

But I also think that the pot is to small to call his river bet.

Excellent first episode of the series, Elephant Tamer. I especially love that both coaches do not agree on every issue that arise and that promotes a better understanding of a subject. I think this is the most important feature of a series that involves two coaches is when each coach can present an opposing view to another coach. As a result, a debate sparks which allows the viewer to better grasp each situation in full.

However, I have two questions that I thought were not settled in the video, both hands came up within seconds of one another. One hand that we folded was a 5 way raised pot when we had A-xs in the small blind, I thought this was a clear call. Second, we are in small blind with small pocket pair and it was raised and cold called before us, I believe that this again is a clear call.

Please address these two hands.

P.S. Keep making this series a funny/educational.

Excellent first episode of the series, Elephant Tamer. I especially love that both coaches do not agree on every issue that arise and that promotes a better understanding of a subject. I think this is the most important feature of a series that involves two coaches is when each coach can present an opposing view to another coach. As a result, a debate sparks which allows the viewer to better grasp each situation in full.

However, I have two questions that I thought were not settled in the video, both hands came up within seconds of one another. One hand that we folded was a 5 way raised pot when we had A-xs in the small blind, I thought this was a clear call. Second, we are in small blind with small pocket pair and it was raised and cold called before us, I believe that this again is a clear call.

Please address these two hands.

P.S. Keep making this series a funny/educational.

sup jane, ty for the feedback

i assume this is talking about a2dd on left and 22 on right?

i remember saying i don't hate call both and i don't hate fold both. problem potentially for a2s is the domination issue - i'd be much happier calling 97s there obv cuz it's got more playability and fewer roll-your-eyes moments postflop where an ace comes and everyone sits up straight

22 i don't think is a big deal either way; if you called all the small pps there it's not a big leak if one at all. i've always been wary of doing things where i turn my handrange face up (yes opps are bad and prob won't notice, blah blah, but it's a good habit to get into imo and even a bad opp can put you on a range if he'd coldcall a similar range in a similar spot) and when u cc here it's basically small pear or suityconnecty imo...

on a related issue i'm a big fan of developing a preflop style/ranges that focus/emphasize comfort and removing heartburn, even if this sometimes sacrifices .02 or .05 overall total winrate or whatever (gasp! imo). it also cuts out tons of stupid spots post which are very hard to navigate and just overall reduces the number of stupid things i get myself into postflop.

sup jane, ty for the feedback

i assume this is talking about a2dd on left and 22 on right?

i remember saying i don't hate call both and i don't hate fold both. problem potentially for a2s is the domination issue - i'd be much happier calling 97s there obv cuz it's got more playability and fewer roll-your-eyes moments postflop where an ace comes and everyone sits up straight

22 i don't think is a big deal either way; if you called all the small pps there it's not a big leak if one at all. i've always been wary of doing things where i turn my handrange face up (yes opps are bad and prob won't notice, blah blah, but it's a good habit to get into imo and even a bad opp can put you on a range if he'd coldcall a similar range in a similar spot) and when u cc here it's basically small pear or suityconnecty imo...

on a related issue i'm a big fan of developing a preflop style/ranges that focus/emphasize comfort and removing heartburn, even if this sometimes sacrifices .02 or .05 overall total winrate or whatever (gasp! imo). it also cuts out tons of stupid spots post which are very hard to navigate and just overall reduces the number of stupid things i get myself into postflop.

/W A-2s we just get such a sick odds that I think calling /w nutty draw cannot be bad. However, I do see what you are saying. As for small pocket pairs, I just do not think that people that cc can exploit me in this spot especially if I add some hands like Broadway suited.

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LOL <3 BBB

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Interested in why the A2s is a fold "for sure" on the left. I consider that a call for sure. I do agree that the 22 is closer on the right but I still think a call in the SB can't be too bad.

Interested in why the A2s is a fold "for sure" on the left. I consider that a call for sure. I do agree that the 22 is closer on the right but I still think a call in the SB can't be too bad.

i have a big aversion to crap oft-dominated aces, even suited and multiway. i remain open to convincing because i will be honest that it's more of a feel/hunch type of aversion and something i've gotten comfortable with playing and never something i actually mathed/calced out.

agree that the 22 is closer.

omg what a sick intro

<3 dc intro guys

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Anyone considering a raise here with top pair and a flush draw on the board?

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What's your thinking in not peeling the turn here? Aren't we getting close to enough equity with our gs and K overcard (discounting the T as an out)?

Anyone considering a raise here with top pair and a flush draw on the board?

i'm not super worried about the developing backdwoor flush draw since he donked the flop. and our top pair has no kicker. if i recall correctly the guy had been bad and passive and had had a hand every time he donked out or gave any action. i think our thoughts here were to get to showdown cheaply and not get owned when he's strong and also continue to encourage him to barrel off/bet weakly if for some reason he was semibluffing/weaker here.

what would you do if he 3bet the raise? fold? seems gross and unnecessary to me since we can get to sd for same price with call call.

What's your thinking in not peeling the turn here? Aren't we getting close to enough equity with our gs and K overcard (discounting the T as an out)?

i think calling the turn here is certainly reasonable. with pyg at the controls i'll value his opinion as well. it's possible we were distracted some by the other table (which we timed out at anyway lol). certainly this board really smacks a sb coldcaller's range and there aren't a lot of hands we're beating imo, and the pot is not huge. so faced with the decision of folding now or of calling and then probably calling lots of brick rivers ui, i think a fold is reasonable. if we hit a ten, i'd probably call down. king, probably same. straight, raise obv.

What's your thinking in not peeling the turn here? Aren't we getting close to enough equity with our gs and K overcard (discounting the T as an out)?

Fair question. I'm getting about 5:1 (maybe 5.5:1), which is enough that I should look at my 2 overs + gut.

My main concern was that a player who cold-called the SB is probably just NOT making a move on me post flop. That is, when he check/raises this flop he has a LOT less JT type semi-bluffing stuff than a TAG might.

I will agree it's close and don't hate a call in general. I did feel that in this spot folding was slightly better. To 'solve' the situation we'd probably need to somehow agree on how often he has and other semi-bluffs. Again, I would argue for less often than I think some people may initially expect/assume here.

Also, I know you were alluding to this, but I think he'll have a hand that decreases my outs enough to be a factor. When he has a T I lose pair outs and only chop when I hit my gut. When he has an 8 making a pair of tens is no good AND he has one of my gut outs.

Anyone considering a raise here with top pair and a flush draw on the board?

I immediately commented something like, 'let's get to SD,' which obviously is reasonable with TP, but I think from my tone there's something else there. Unfortunately I'd probably have to re-watch the whole video to this point to give a really good answer, but I'm guessing there was something specific about this player / our history with him that made me take this line.

Maybe he had only been donking super strong hands to that point, or maybe I had folded a pair to him earlier.

That said, in general I don't hate this line from time to time as he's probably going to barrel his draws (I can have a peel-one and done type hand or other draws), and if he doesn't I obviously just bet when checked to (poker = easier IP).

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At these stakes against those ranges I think A8s is a pretty easy fold. You're going to be literally drawing almost dead preflop a large portion of the time (ATo and 99 have you completely boned, for example).

At these stakes against those ranges I think A8s is a pretty easy fold. You're going to be literally drawing almost dead preflop a large portion of the time (ATo and 99 have you completely boned, for example).

Going back and listening to it I agree with Pyg that it has to be a fold especially at these stakes where the ranges are just so tight and are super-crushing us. I used never to fold any suited ace in this spot and lately have been starting to re-evaluate that, because although I am suited and have an ace, the domination issues can overwhelm that. It's also obviously dependent on the situation at the table which helps inform the ranges - for example if it is BTN open, SB 3bet, BB cap, I think calling A8s would be fine even at this stake.