Poker Video: MTT/SNG by Luceboy (Micro/Small Stakes)

Time Link to 00:07:00

if you where button how wide would you open push here? i would think we can do 40-50% easy with a somewhat clean image

Time Link to 00:24:40

im shocked you dont wanna push this, i think its def +cEV and i find people rarely call enough in the BB here from my experience. Plus we have been extremely tight, so i think we get a huge amount of credit here, and adding 300 chips here is still pretty huge to use

if you where button how wide would you open push here? i would think we can do 40-50% easy with a somewhat clean image

Considering the BB is so tight, i reckon you could push 50% with a somewhat dirty image, so on the flipside you could easily push 50%+ with a clean image. If youve got a tight player in the SB also then you could nuts and push 60-70% (until they make a call which surprises you). The fact that your stack (if you were on the button) is large enough to leave you ~7/8 BBs if you got called by the BB and lost means that you can be happier pushing wide in this spot. If theres a loose fish in the SB then unfortunately you have to tighten up and drop back to pushing 35% or so

^ sweet so im not too lose in those spots. love the series and your thought process

im shocked you dont wanna push this, i think its def +cEV and i find people rarely call enough in the BB here from my experience. Plus we have been extremely tight, so i think we get a huge amount of credit here, and adding 300 chips here is still pretty huge to use

Considering the situation, i would really prefer to shove into the middlestack and even with a 7BB stack, youve got just about enough to go through the blinds. In addition, the BB is semi-loose and has a foldBBvsSteal odf 56% which is really quite low. This hand is really just below the borderline for me. I'd have to shove a Q8s or a JTo but J9o isnt quite there. If I had half a BB less things might be different. I couldnt fault you that much for shoving it, but the one thing ive learnt recently is that you have to be careful shoving through the bigstack on the bubble when you havent got enough chips to hurt them.

Put it in SNGwiz with a 10% calling range for the SB, and a 3% change in the BBs calling range (from 15% --> 18%) will reduce your stacking % from 33.6% --> 18.7%. Thats a big difference. The point im trying to make is that if youve got an unpredictable loose-ish player on the bigstack in the BB then you have to be careful - yes youve got a tight image but do you think hes good enough to have noticed? He probably doesnt use a Hud and might only be considering his own cards, in which case it doesnt really matter what you do as he might still call with that KJ.

Time Link to 00:22:57

If the short stack shoved and you were the big stack, would it be correct to overshove with K2 offsuit? If not, what range would be correct to overshove?

Time Link to 00:21:02

One thing I find that SNG Wiz does not consider is the value of future EV gained by successful marginal steal spots (a concept I picked up from my former sng coach, Thrash370). If shoving the 92s here is close or even slightly -EV in isolation, then it is important to consider the future value that picking up 300 chips here will grant you. So, chipping up from 1100 to 1400 here allows you to force more folds than if you fold here and risk having to put yourself in a position where your stack will be around 800 if you have to fold through the blinds. Thus, a successful steal here gives you a stack that can pick up several hundred more chips whereas a fold just puts you in marginal spots later anyway. What do you guys think on this?

Considering the situation, i would really prefer to shove into the middlestack and even with a 7BB stack, youve got just about enough to go through the blinds. In addition, the BB is semi-loose and has a foldBBvsSteal odf 56% which is really quite low. This hand is really just below the borderline for me. I'd have to shove a Q8s or a JTo but J9o isnt quite there. If I had half a BB less things might be different. I couldnt fault you that much for shoving it, but the one thing ive learnt recently is that you have to be careful shoving through the bigstack on the bubble when you havent got enough chips to hurt them.

Put it in SNGwiz with a 10% calling range for the SB, and a 3% change in the BBs calling range (from 15% --> 18%) will reduce your stacking % from 33.6% --> 18.7%. Thats a big difference. The point im trying to make is that if youve got an unpredictable loose-ish player on the bigstack in the BB then you have to be careful - yes youve got a tight image but do you think hes good enough to have noticed? He probably doesnt use a Hud and might only be considering his own cards, in which case it doesnt really matter what you do as he might still call with that KJ.

didn't understand the what the stats meant but now it makes sense thanks, im pretty new to using a HUD. thanks

If the short stack shoved and you were the big stack, would it be correct to overshove with K2 offsuit? If not, what range would be correct to overshove?

Well this is an interesting question, as there are a few factors that need to be taken into account. First of all you have to estimate the stacking % of the shortstack. This can be tough, but if you're observant or use a HUD then you can get some idea and will be able to make a decent educated guess.

In this particular spot, if i were the bigstack i would have to assume that the shortstacks range would be fairly wide (as if i were on the button i would be feeling rather desperate). However, it would be wrong to assume that everyone plays like me as some people will fold their way to the cripple stack. In this spot without any prior info on the guy i would estimate a range of about 35% (All pairs,aces, most kings, any two combos 10 or higher).

This leads us into SNGwiz, where with that range from the shortstack pushing the button, we can overshove with 16% (44+ A7+, A4s+, KQ, KTs+). This seems fairly reasonable.

There are a few more things that you need to take into account before deciding whether to overshove though.

How loose is the BB? If the BB is really likely to call with any two cards above a 10 (ie hes a fish) then you should overshove a little tighter as theres more in it for you if you fold.

How will the stack sizes look if you lose the all-in? If you will still be the bigstack after doubling up the shorty then overshoving a little wider than you usually would isnt going to hurt you that much as you will still be able to push the table around.

If you are on a tough bubble and it will put you on the middle stack then you might want to not overshove that wide even if you know the shortstack is very aggressive and pushing like 60%. This is because by keeping the big stack you will really be able to decimate the middle stack sitting to your left (assuming they know ICM). Additionally the shortstack is taking the middlestacks BB so assuming his steal works, their respective stack sizes will even up slightly meaning you will be able to wield your bigstack even more. Occasionally i will pass up overshoving in this very spot with a hand like A4o even though it is +EV for these very reasons. It is usually not a great idea to pass up on +EV spots, although in some situations where you know players are capable of taking a severe beating it can be worth it.

In general though, you have to overshove fairly tightly. K2o is not a hand that you would find me overshoving with. There is always the guy behind you to think of. In this spot, even if you knew the guy on the button was pushing 100%, an overshove with K2o would still be wrong. The range i gave earlier is more reasonable.

One thing I find that SNG Wiz does not consider is the value of future EV gained by successful marginal steal spots (a concept I picked up from my former sng coach, Thrash370). If shoving the 92s here is close or even slightly -EV in isolation, then it is important to consider the future value that picking up 300 chips here will grant you. So, chipping up from 1100 to 1400 here allows you to force more folds than if you fold here and risk having to put yourself in a position where your stack will be around 800 if you have to fold through the blinds. Thus, a successful steal here gives you a stack that can pick up several hundred more chips whereas a fold just puts you in marginal spots later anyway. What do you guys think on this?

Ahh Thrash. I have some respect for that guy. Yes you are correct, and it means that it is almost imperative that you take any sort of marginal steal spot especially when you are shortstacked. Some people seem to think that they will be able to wait for a better spot but the reality is that often you will just end up on the cripple stack and at that point you might as well throw away your cash.

I will push anything on the button for 5-6BB if the situation calls for it. This situation is one of those spots as you're on the bubble, cant really afford to go through the blinds, and are able to take the middle stacks BB (which you really want to do). With this stack and considering your hand is suited it would be a no brainer at the mid-high stakes. However im trying to accommodate people who are maybe playing the lower stakes, and so this calls for a bit of balance im afraid.

didn't understand the what the stats meant but now it makes sense thanks, im pretty new to using a HUD. thanks

Ah ok, if you want me to explain any random numbers that i just pull out of my head then feel free to ask