Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by DeathDonkey (High Stakes)

Yay Oink!

I actually logged in to watch some "My Danish Luckbox" again and imagine my surprise to see my two favorite video makers in one episode! Awesome vid... praying that Oink's return to the mic continues

UK players are bad?

Awesome having both you guys on the mic on a live session.

Loved listening to the thought process going on, especially with regards to how accurately you can pick apart ranges etc. Great stuff

Time Link to 00:54:12

@54m12s

Oink, I'm having trouble understanding one of your sentences. First you say that J is a horrible card on the river so it's a pretty easy check/fold. Fine. And then, you say had it come a brick "a lot of play would be just to give up." What does this mean? I'm assuming you meant you'd still check/fold even if the river came a brick?

Can you please clarify?

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Time Link to 00:15:22

In this spot I would consider calling with JTs and maybe 9Ts. I am wondering if I am missing value by playing to tight against bad players here or is 65s perhaps a little too loose?

This could be the greatest Poker video ever made

@54m12s

Oink, I'm having trouble understanding one of your sentences. First you say that J is a horrible card on the river so it's a pretty easy check/fold. Fine. And then, you say had it come a brick "a lot of play would be just to give up." What does this mean? I'm assuming you meant you'd still check/fold even if the river came a brick?

Can you please clarify?

I think he's saying that he expects the river to go check/check a lot once he decides to check/call the turn. I think it is a fair conclusion from what he said to believe that he would check/fold most rivers, though I am not sure.

Time Link to 00:16:59

Re: the AK hand on the 4 diamond board, I kind of wonder about a check on the river...

Let me ask this, without really knowing what's right or what I prefer: what are our betting and checking ranges on this particular river? If we're checking a wide range, and I think we should, are we c/r bluffing the bottom of our checking range? Also, what value hands are we barrelling if we are checking a lot of flushes? How often are we giving up v. barrelling without sd value?

Edit: I might have messed up the timestamp... I think its around minute 16 but i could be wrong.

Re: the AK hand on the 4 diamond board, I kind of wonder about a check on the river...

Let me ask this, without really knowing what's right or what I prefer: what are our betting and checking ranges on this particular river? If we're checking a wide range, and I think we should, are we c/r bluffing the bottom of our checking range? Also, what value hands are we barrelling if we are checking a lot of flushes? How often are we giving up v. barrelling without sd value?

Edit: I might have messed up the timestamp... I think its around minute 16 but i could be wrong.

Hi Jeremy!

In this case we are up against button's capping range, which isn't clearly defined but I think we can make some ok guesses (highly pair heavy, some Ax, some two big cards with or without a diamond). It seems against that range we would prefer to be doing a lot of betting and very little checking, considering he has so much showdown value with a lot of his range? Why do you want to find a wide balanced checking range vs a capping range that looks to be calling us down? If I understand that better maybe we can argue it some. I think I would definitely fire the last barrel with whatever bluffs I have here (need to rewatch to see what possible bluffs we could have though!).

Time Link to 00:21:10

At first I thought this was an easy check behind on the river but after looking at this it may be a perfectly thin bet. Under the following assumptions:

1) he would have capped with TT+
2) He would have shown more aggression with a J or an A. I know the villian liked to wait for the turn to raise a J, but wouldn't this apply to more of a HU situation than MW?
3) He will pay off with worse. I think this is likely in such a big pot.

We are ahead of 55,77 and possibly a 6d7d type hand. We are behind 99 although the villian may have capped this preflop.

Time Link to 00:38:46

DD,

Are there turns you would not raise here if you decided to float the flop?

Would you play differently with a gutter like 97o?

Hi Jeremy!

In this case we are up against button's capping range, which isn't clearly defined but I think we can make some ok guesses (highly pair heavy, some Ax, some two big cards with or without a diamond). It seems against that range we would prefer to be doing a lot of betting and very little checking, considering he has so much showdown value with a lot of his range? Why do you want to find a wide balanced checking range vs a capping range that looks to be calling us down? If I understand that better maybe we can argue it some. I think I would definitely fire the last barrel with whatever bluffs I have here (need to rewatch to see what possible bluffs we could have though!).

I guess I just feel like we want to c/r some of our big flushes in this spot, and I'm wondering about how that desire effects the rest of our range or whether we should be c/r here with flushes as much as I think we should be... I just feel like a lot of his range (underpairs to the ace) is folding without a diamond and if he has some hand with a diamond in it, he'll bet... So that makes me want to c/r some, and I'm wondering about c/c and c/f at some frequency to counter that...

In this spot I would consider calling with JTs and maybe 9Ts. I am wondering if I am missing value by playing to tight against bad players here or is 65s perhaps a little too loose?

65s there is loose for sure. And I cant prove its +EV.

But two important things:

- If the initial raiser decides to fold the flop or turn we get position which improves the plyability of our hand on subsequent streets.

- Both players seemed rather loose and at least one of them was bad.


You mention JTs. Against wide ranges which most will have in midstakes you absolutely need to either call or cap that one. 65s may be too loose but JTs and T9s are super std to play there

@54m12s

Oink, I'm having trouble understanding one of your sentences. First you say that J is a horrible card on the river so it's a pretty easy check/fold. Fine. And then, you say had it come a brick "a lot of play would be just to give up." What does this mean? I'm assuming you meant you'd still check/fold even if the river came a brick?

Can you please clarify?

I am not sure what I am talking about either . If was pretty confused at that point. DD talks a lot and he talks faaaast

At first I thought this was an easy check behind on the river but after looking at this it may be a perfectly thin bet. Under the following assumptions:

1) he would have capped with TT+
2) He would have shown more aggression with a J or an A. I know the villian liked to wait for the turn to raise a J, but wouldn't this apply to more of a HU situation than MW?
3) He will pay off with worse. I think this is likely in such a big pot.

We are ahead of 55,77 and possibly a 6d7d type hand. We are behind 99 although the villian may have capped this preflop.

I mostly agree. But I dont think we can discount weak Ax completely and Jx as well. I mean we need to discount them, but not all the way to 0. So I doubt its a +EV vbet but its def close! If his range truly was 55, 77, 66, 99, 76s, 65s then its a vbet, but he can easily have Jx which he wanted to c/r turn with

I mostly agree. But I dont think we can discount weak Ax completely and Jx as well. I mean we need to discount them, but not all the way to 0. So I doubt its a +EV vbet but its def close! If his range truly was 55, 77, 66, 99, 76s, 65s then its a vbet, but he can easily have Jx which he wanted to c/r turn with

Yeah we saw this guy wait until the turn a lot, so I agree Jx has to be included to be fair. Yeah sorry I talk fast, better to let me be driver and not passenger so I get distracted clicking the shiny bet and raise buttons

I guess I just feel like we want to c/r some of our big flushes in this spot, and I'm wondering about how that desire effects the rest of our range or whether we should be c/r here with flushes as much as I think we should be... I just feel like a lot of his range (underpairs to the ace) is folding without a diamond and if he has some hand with a diamond in it, he'll bet... So that makes me want to c/r some, and I'm wondering about c/c and c/f at some frequency to counter that...

I wonder if this is fairly stylistic or there is a fundamental correct answer there. I feel like when it goes runner runner scary scary, I am often both triple barrelling there and betting hoping a guy is hero calling or if he just has the nuts I'll find out. Plus how can I 3 bet the nut flush if I don't bet?

I wonder if this is fairly stylistic or there is a fundamental correct answer there. I feel like when it goes runner runner scary scary, I am often both triple barrelling there and betting hoping a guy is hero calling or if he just has the nuts I'll find out. Plus how can I 3 bet the nut flush if I don't bet?

All good points. I'm pretty sure this is one of those spots where a. it's stylistic (which is just another way of saying that two people can have effectively balanced ranges in a spot like this by doing different things) and b. it depends a ton on who you're playing and what their river tendencies are...

Time Link to 00:51:00

The JT hand on 9854. DD makes a good point that there are very few hands that won't peel another barrel, however with the fact that we have a decent draw and no sd value I'd usually bet intending on continuing on any river, thinking that we'll get a bunch of Q/K high to fold.
I'd be more inclined to c/c with a hand like QJ that has both (a little) more sd value and a weaker draw. What do you think ?

Its a pretty interesting spot.

I agree with your line of thought here but I also think DD made some very instructive comments - mostly because I didnt realize them at game speed

The problem with c/c is that we let his Q hi and K hi "bluff" us in stead of the other way around. So while a c/c certainly saves us a bet when he checks back those hands it also costs us the pot when he bets them twice.

So he needs to check back Q hi and K hi pretty much always and then let us bluff him on the river. If he bets those hands when checked to we'd have to donk river to get him of those hands and I seriously doubt DD had this option in mind.

Oh, if he checks back hands that he wont fold to a 3 barrel, like A hi and small pairs then c/c improves even relative to bet - bet.

So yeah I agree. We have zero fe right now but we have enough over both streets for us to fire 2 barrels profiatbly. If we somehow thought it wouldnt be profitable with the 3 barrel then we should obv c/c.

Ha I just noticed your screen name. Were you playing on Schneids account or is imitation the sincerest form of flattery?

(Good vid btw though I'm only 1 minute 50 seconds in but so far so good!)

Ha I just noticed your screen name. Were you playing on Schneids account or is imitation the sincerest form of flattery?

(Good vid btw though I'm only 1 minute 50 seconds in but so far so good!)

He's a fanboy through and through

I don't want to be too critical, but i don't like it when DD has to hold hands with the person playing. It's not too bad when DD is playing and someone that isn't as good as DD is sweating, since few people are as good as DD.

also i'm moving out of country immediately after watching this video.

Great video

I don't want to be too critical, but i don't like it when DD has to hold hands with the person playing. It's not too bad when DD is playing and someone that isn't as good as DD is sweating, since few people are as good as DD.

also i'm moving out of country immediately after watching this video.

FWIW, Oink is a pretty incredible player, he was just a bit out of practice when it came to analysis while doing live play.

Rob