Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by Joe Tall (Mid Stakes)

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zomg 7game HU.

zomg 7game HU.

Yep, you somewhat inspired this btw!

6:35

standard, I just want to know how high can DJ's door card get before you reraise your (62)9, I think I am reraising this versus a 6+ door, assuming opponent is raising any 3 there of course.

9:15

yup I like a raise with DJs hand because that's such an autobet (but a good bet for sure) type of board situation for joe, and DJ has a monster.

I def agree that it's the river situations in hurazz that will usually determine who has the edge, you have to know how light your opponent likes to look you up, and it's quite tough when you only see 10 hands an orbit and maybe 8 or 9 don't get past 4th.

12:00

A good spot for DJ to c/r if he had some sort of made high, but with only the doublegutter to go with the 3rd nut low i c/c turn, lead a 2 riv, c/r a 6 riv.

13:29

this is so close, i'm lost whether to 3bet or call with DJs hand. I guess it hinges on how aggro opponent is. If I have 95A3 I'm ista3betting. Course most of the guys I play against don't raise this riv with the 8hi straight without also having at least 3rd or 2nd nut low.

14:47

absolutely agree with raising the KKA on 4th, lot of opponents will check behind 5th. with DJs hand I think I would peel 4th and probably fold 5th unimproved. Any faults with that line? Joe shows a lot of strength, and trying to draw to 2pair versus a pair of Aces usually doesn't pan out so well.

20:50

yeah during 7game PLO I like to raise a little wider on the button because most opponents aren't really comfortable at PLO and err on the tight side OOP. Can't really fault them too much, but you gotta get the extra button value.

21:45

ooh boy, hulhe, my game. I'm not sure about this flop peel, give yourself backdoor clubs and I don't mind. When he checks the turn I give up here. If he has the part of his 3bet range without SD value he is certainly barreling, so a turn bet has no FE imo.

22:14

if you are going to bluff this Q9 I prefer c/r flop. c/c c/r turn doesn't really make sense for a strong hand on this board, as a lot of your straight draws with c/r flop, and you will be c/ring TP the majority of the time i'd think.

24:52

joe, what are your thoughts on calling the bringin HU? I generally go with a raise or fold strategy in all the stud variants. Seems like something you'd have to mix up versus thinking head readers, so I wouldn't think it good against them, but maybe it has merit versus fish?

25:18

along the same line as the last comment, I never open complete either. Also wondering if I can borrow your luckbox if you'd be so kind Joe. thx in advance.

26:57

as much as I love bluffing it's damn hard in stud facing a river bet. You really have to be playing a good hand reader for it to work, as most opponents I face just will not fold for 1 more bet regardless of what I'm repping. But on the flipside, I get paid off, so it's all good.

razzhu is about as boring as hunl imo. Only gets exciting when both people make a hand.

31:17

I actually like the c/c river with DJs 7hi flush versus a good vbettor like Joe. We are getting raised by FHs and the nut flush most likely if we lead. We also might induce him to turn a weak made hand into a bluff. Against most the passive fish I play I b/f this all day.

34:00

def agree about watching nightmare on 7th videos, good stuff and very applicable to HU stud as well as FR.

34:39

I'm not the best at hunl but I think folding the A2s to a 3bet is just fine, mainly because of having to find a fold postflop on an Ahigh board is rough stuff.

41:48

c/r/f isn't too bad on some boards, but even against joetall I think I have to call the 3bet, just in case he has something like 87, diamonds, or even Qhi with 2 diamonds. The only thing that tips it towards a fold is the timing, but even then some people are capable of the insta3bet bluff (I use it with great success against certain opponents).

42:23

I'm usually 3betting the turn with the Qs7c here. Usually TP is going to raise flop, but even if they are the type to wait for a nonspade turn to raise TP I still have decent equity. I would also expect flopped flushes to sometimes fastplay flop, and flopped flushes aren't really too big a portion of the range. If I get capped i sigh and c/f riv unimproved.

43:03

I think enough of our range is c/ring this flop for value/semibluff that I don't really like adding in bottom pair to that range. I think it plays pretty well as a bluff catcher with a c/c c/decide c/decide line.

As played I like a b/f turn, at best we are up against a decent draw with overs so I'm not liking our equity and RIO here.

45:29

hehe I can't believe how much success DJ is having with the opencomplete bluff. I don't know if it's enough though laying 20 to win 6.

47:23

calling down nut low is fine of course, if possible I'd like to sometimes find a good turn to raise to try to shake off weak high hands, but of course that has more value when you do have at least some sort of high draw. With DJs exact hand I like just calling down, but if he had some counterfeit protection or more than just overs to second pair I like a raise somewhere.

49:26

(Js Ad) 6s versus joe's K, how do you feel about a reraise here with the 6? My thinking is that AJ high is ahead of a random K, we have a somewhat deceptive hand. if we get capped (unlikely, as I think split Ks will often flat anyways) we can definitely call.

IDK, maybe I'm too aggro with steals in this structure but I think this is a spot where a reraise is good for balance.

50:19

double bets on paired 4th, hmm I used to think it was good to offer the fish better odds but still not good enough to try to outdraw my single pair, but I guess if they are going to make that mistake, it's not too much of a stretch to assume they'd call a double bet as well.


56:35

AJ is close here getting 5:1, I prob peel and then fold unless i catch the straight, A or J. You probably get 2 bets out of a 6 on the riv when you catch the T so I think that helps cancel out the ROI of the times you catch an A or J and call.


Really good video overall, it's cool how you can teach each other your strong games.

I'm just one of the lucky 7 people who enjoys HU stud.

So now that I totally know all your weaknesses you still gonna sit at my 8/16 tables? jk, I probably owe you a few rounds of play for this video, particularly the stud and stud8 advice.

And DJ had some good HUPLO nuggets in there too.

I gotta say though, the weirdest game in the mix has to be LO8, it's just so many weird spots in a HU context.

I'm just one of the lucky 7 people who enjoys HU stud.

So now that I totally know all your weaknesses you still gonna sit at my 8/16 tables? jk, I probably owe you a few rounds of play for this video, particularly the stud and stud8 advice.

And DJ had some good HUPLO nuggets in there too.

I gotta say though, the weirdest game in the mix has to be LO8, it's just so many weird spots in a HU context.

Glad you enjoyed the video.

Also, I see all your responses but...aiya! going to take forever to get through them.

Watch this short video: http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/866-Using-the-Flash-Video-Player and leave a time link next time!

Great Vid!! More 7 game or 8 game plz!!

I would have left time links but I couldn't get the vid to play in my browser for some reason .

Doh, it works now....sigh.

Time Link to 00:53:14

Joe - I really like a c/r on the river here with the nut flush. Give DJ a chance to bluff at it because if you check your hand looks like it might be like Ax or aces up that will fold a decent amount, and if he does have a flush he will definitely value bet.

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Would you ever consider simply folding this junk to the raise?

Joe - I really like a c/r on the river here with the nut flush. Give DJ a chance to bluff at it because if you check your hand looks like it might be like Ax or aces up that will fold a decent amount, and if he does have a flush he will definitely value bet.

He preemptive clicked CHECK/FOLD! No offense to DJ but after a few hands I realized O8 was his weakest spot and playing straight up was likely to get more value.

Would you ever consider simply folding this junk to the raise?

YES, I missed it. DJ should 100% fold there after trying to steal.

I DJ

...and Joe is pure awsome!

He preemptive clicked CHECK/FOLD! No offense to DJ but after a few hands I realized O8 was his weakest spot and playing straight up was likely to get more value.

The important thing to take from this video is that O8 is the worst game ever

He preemptive clicked CHECK/FOLD! No offense to DJ but after a few hands I realized O8 was his weakest spot and playing straight up was likely to get more value.

The hand was PLO not o8.

You are right that he had the c/f button clicked, but I still think you should consider c/r in similar spots.

And yes, you should try and play him in o8 as much as possible hehe

Time Link to 00:21:42

Yikes DJ. I really dislike the flop peel here. Your equity is just too poor against any reasonable 3betting range. Even light 3 betters are crushing you on this board texture.

Once JT checks the turn, I think his range is going to be unbalanced in general and you should go ahead and xback.

That makes me think that from a theoretical standpoint, JT's x here is a mistake unless he's doing some really funky xfolding stuff in this spot that I don't expect.

In practice it worked out though because we got DJ to make what I think is a terrible bet

Time Link to 00:22:07

DJ, if you're c/r this flop with tons of your value range, as I expect you are, and as you probably should be until JT demonstrates that he's going to 2 barrel more than he should, your range "bucket" is so full of semibluffs in this spot and so devoid of made hands that you shouldn't be making crazy air bluffs, especially with hands as strong as Q high.

Pretty lame indeed

Time Link to 00:22:27

JT,

I would probably go ahead and fold this river unless you think DJ is going to miss a lot of value (obv not) or you think he's going to be barrelling with a TON of his range.

Time Link to 00:23:13

DJ,

I'd probably go ahead and just call here and bluff some turns (e.g. 5, 6, 2,K) and call some turns planning on playing pretty fit or fold. I feel like almost everyone is unbalanced when they raise this flop texture and so I'd much rather make my opponent fire two barrels against my whole range. Also when you have a lot of semibluffs/made hands/overcards in your flop calling range, you become a ninja on the turn (unseen, precise, deadly, etc)

Time Link to 00:23:17

Sorry for commenting on this hand twice, but I have to disagree on the turn check as well. The most basic problem with checking the turn is that JT gets to play perfectly on the river against you because your hand is so obvious. The second problem is that you don't get him to fold A or K high on specific river cards (mostly straight completing). Of course, I can see the merit to the check since JT has very few outs against you on average and he will be going for the xraise a certain portion of the time...

It all goes back to the flop though.

Time Link to 00:10:17

Can either DJ or JT talk to me about the 3rd street decision here? Doesn't it kind of turn our hand face up? What situations would you be looking for to call the bring?

Time Link to 00:24:06

Again, I'm wondering about 3rd street here. Why does DJ open complete here? Seems like he's going to take down the antes a TON just by bringing in, no?

Time Link to 00:30:30

My basic strategy in HU O8 is to not raise from the BB... I just feel like hand equities are so close preflop that the value you gain from deception more than makes up for any value you mmight lose by not threebetting your strongest hands. I'm also not sure how effective light threebetting can be in HUO8.

Does not 3betting preflop have merit, or am I barking up the wrong tree?

JT,

I would probably go ahead and fold this river unless you think DJ is going to miss a lot of value (obv not) or you think he's going to be barrelling with a TON of his range.

Bah, it was early/our 1st round of LHE so I figured a showdown was fine there, still do.

Can either DJ or JT talk to me about the 3rd street decision here? Doesn't it kind of turn our hand face up? What situations would you be looking for to call the bring?

I didnt even notice that Dan limped there. He should pitch there vs a 3-door.

Time Link to 00:36:31

Joe,

did you just fold connecty cards otb in NLHE?

Again, I'm wondering about 3rd street here. Why does DJ open complete here? Seems like he's going to take down the antes a TON just by bringing in, no?

Not sure what you are asking here. What exact hand? Dan brings it in normal w/4J/4 and I fold? You want him to open complete?

Bah, it was early/our 1st round of LHE so I figured a showdown was fine there, still do.

I'd just err on the side of GTO strategy early in the match, which probably dictates a fold in this spot (not that I really know the GTO equalibriums, but that's my best guess). You can adjust later on if he's crazy with his barrelling tendencies, but if you think about your whole showdownable range, K9 really has to be near the bottom of what you show up with in this spot. Basically you're just going to be showing down too much when you c/c c/c if you aren't folding some part of your range here. Dan can easily counter by never bluffing and owning you until you readjust.

Not sure what you are asking here. What exact hand? Dan brings it in normal w/4J/4 and I fold? You want him to open complete?

No. Sorry I think I messed up the time stamp. It's probably the hand before Dan open completes with the 3 against your T I believe.

Time Link to 00:41:15

Calling seems pretty superior on this flop for a lot of the same reasons I thought Dan should just call with Q9ss on the 2s4s4x board. You can certainly raise a ton of turns.

Time Link to 00:42:15

I just don't think we're doing quite well enough against DJ's cd range to make this raise. I do think we need to value raise thin in this spot since we SHOULD have a lot of semibluffs in this spot. This might be a little too thin though.

Joe, if you think he just has a naked spade, don't you gain the same amount from him barreling turn and river?

Time Link to 00:43:00

I like how JT played his hand here, assuming he would raise without the flush draw as well, but I don't think DJ gains much from c/r the flop. It seems like we want this hand in our c/c c/c c/c range. After the flop c/r, the rest of the hand is standard.

My basic strategy in HU O8 is to not raise from the BB... I just feel like hand equities are so close preflop that the value you gain from deception more than makes up for any value you mmight lose by not threebetting your strongest hands. I'm also not sure how effective light threebetting can be in HUO8.

Does not 3betting preflop have merit, or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Too much value missed. A23xss vs 80%:

Hand Pot equity
As2s3* 56.03%
80% 43.97%

And there are soooo sooo many 2nd best hand to be made in that 80%.

Joe,

did you just fold connecty cards otb in NLHE?

Those aren't connected and I got 4-bet. Going to say near standard fold.

Time Link to 00:45:13

Should DJ really be calling in this spot? I feel like he's often getting scooped, he's almost never scooping, and even if he is, the pot is somewhat small.

No. Sorry I think I messed up the time stamp. It's probably the hand before Dan open completes with the 3 against your T I believe.

100% agree and missed it. Dan should bring it in normal vs a T-door.

I just don't think we're doing quite well enough against DJ's cd range to make this raise. I do think we need to value raise thin in this spot since we SHOULD have a lot of semibluffs in this spot. This might be a little too thin though.

Joe, if you think he just has a naked spade, don't you gain the same amount from him barreling turn and river?

He's got to bet the river for me to gain.

havent watched a JT mixed game vid in forever, but this was really enjoyable. was fun to watch JT give tips to DJ in the limit games and DJ doing the same thing during the big bet games. great vid and looking forward to seeing more.

random aside: for some reason this got me thinking about old school DC and reminded me of the really old JT vid about game selection. You played like two or three different games at different stakes around ftp trying to find good games with good fish. don't know why that video stuck out in my mind but I remember watching it at work over two years ago. Been playing pro for almost two years now so it wasn't long after that I gave my two weeks and joined the grind.

yesssss i am excited to watch this

ty guys for doing this

The important thing to take from this video is that O8 is the worst game ever

That's blasphemy.

Time Link to 00:24:48

Don't know if it was covered aside from calling it a marginal hand, but DJ's line here,(72)K4 leading into 37 in Stud/8, makes absolutely no sense and should basically never be done(IE really spewy, accomplishes nothing), unless maybe w/44K with the intention of bet/3betting. Depending on a lot of villains though, chk/calling 4th may still be best as an opportunity to c/r 5th is certainly present, with little concern given aside from the draw out to the low as the 4's really break up their high potential. It's a little fps, but can be of real value.

Time Link to 00:32:06

I don't think raising 6th here ever really holds any merit(didn't happen, but was considered and Joe folding is mentioned by DJ, bluff/raise!-no!) as the flush is really unlikely given the line on 5th and Joe's board. I can't think of anything Joe would bet/fold here.

Time Link to 01:05:26

Low content, but jeebus Joe, if you ever sell any action, let me know! 2 Quads, 2 rolls, etc, etc. Wow.

Oh and thanks for making this, it was quite enjoyable as well as informative.

I can't wait for the day someone adds a "like" ticker to your videos.

The number of times the word "like" finds itself used in a sentence is ridiculous. You need to read a dictionary for some alternatives!