Great video guys, keep it up!
I think we might have to rename KasinoKrime to LeverageKrime or something similar ![]()
DJ Sensei and KasinoKrime introduce the students, the series, and then get down to business with a 4-tabling session review at micro-stakes PLO.
Three PLO hungry warriors have taken on the task to become the best they can be while wielding 4 hole cards. Their teachers, DJ Sensei and KasinoKrime, will guide them as they grind their way to immortality.
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Great video guys, keep it up!
I think we might have to rename KasinoKrime to LeverageKrime or something similar ![]()
this one seems very promising
more micro/SS plo vids from these 2 guys
At 54.30 on the top left hero folds 89T2 double suited from the sb vs utg and then on bottom right he folds double suited JJQ6 from sb vs a button steal, are these standard?
At 54.30 on the top left hero folds 89T2 double suited from the sb vs utg and then on bottom right he folds double suited JJQ6 from sb vs a button steal, are these standard?
I'd prefer the T982ds over the JJQ6ds oop, but I don't really have a problem with folding either. Maybe against the right kind of opponent I'd play the former.
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Am i the only one that wants to play JJQ6 ds to a button raise? I mean its a pretty good hand, his range should be wide otb, and we have some potential in our hand.
Am i the only one that wants to play JJQ6 ds to a button raise? I mean its a pretty good hand, his range should be wide otb, and we have some potential in our hand.
Sure we have an edge vs his range but with not great implied odds on our draws (or RIO), not closing the action and our hand's equity distributions on flops I think it leads to a ton of marginal postflop situations. If we flat pre we possibly end up playing a 3way pot with the worst absolute and relative position. If we 3bet we play a 5SPR pot OOP, which isn't terrible but I would much rather a smoother hand or one which would flop more dominating draws (JJ + J hi FD isn't going to be great vs shoving range)
Even in best case scenario we flat and get it HU, you have to think about postflop situations. Most often we'll be left check/calling the flop with a overpair + gutshot type hand, or even if we flop well - say it comes Td5d4, we're still just check/calling and then even if we hit our flush we're not that happy.
I think in PLO people look too much at range vs range preflop (in an equity sense), where as you have to be thinking about postflop situations and how you can win pots/minimize losses ("flopping a hand" generally isn't that great of a reason). If he folds to a ton of donks, or cbet/folds often and you know the BB is tight then calling is decent and playing accordingly. If he calls a lot of 3bets and plays very straightforward/tight on flops then 3betting is also an option. If you don't have a plan like this exploiting his tendencies, or if he's just a pretty good player, I think calling because our hand is pretty good, or to see what happens, is just throwing away money, mostly in non-showdown winnings - putting money in the pot early to give up on it later, the biggest leak of SSPLO regs imo.
Oh also one semi-related thought: Sets play far better in position because when a bad card comes on the turn (flush/straight completes) you have the option of checking back to realize your equity, or if those cards come on the river you're getting bluffed less as those draws are generally in your range (as opposed to checking OOP and showing weakness). So say we flop pretty awesome like JTh4h, if we're not getting it in on the flop (which isn't even that profitable vs most) then there's going to be a lot of dicey situations develop.
What Mitch said ![]()
Really liked the video.
Hero seems really solid so it makes for some good discussions in spots where 2 options are kinda close and reads, stack sizes or small flop texture changes can tip the balance.
Damn just when I thought I had shaken the PLO bug I start watching this series. I feel a wicked case of tilt coming on.
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I can definitely see I am playing too loose OOP 6max, but still don't think I would have it in me to fold A788 ds to a btn open.
Mitch, are your reasons for folding going to be the same as the reasons above for folding in the JJQ6 ds hand? I noticed you hovered over your HUD while deciding whether to call. What stats were you looking at that made you fold, if any?
I just think this hand plays decent post flop and you have a nut draw. You aren't going to be in many spots where you flop a marginal piece unlike the JJQ6 hand when you may flop an overpair / non nut flush draw and end up check/ calling one street and folding the turn or paying off a better flush.
And also, we obv don't have to necessarily hit our hand to win the pot so did you just feel villain was pretty decent and you would find it hard to show a prof in the long run OOP against them?
Also, are there any merits to 3betting hands in this spot and taking control of the hand?
I have played like 99% of my PLO at HU and am looking to add 6max to my repertoire. So to me I just see the spot in this hand as if I were in the BB vs SB on a HU table and I would never fold my hand and mix it up between 3bets and flats.
I can definitely see I am playing too loose OOP 6max, but still don't think I would have it in me to fold A788 ds to a btn open.
Mitch, are your reasons for folding going to be the same as the reasons above for folding in the JJQ6 ds hand? I noticed you hovered over your HUD while deciding whether to call. What stats were you looking at that made you fold, if any?
I just think this hand plays decent post flop and you have a nut draw. You aren't going to be in many spots where you flop a marginal piece unlike the JJQ6 hand when you may flop an overpair / non nut flush draw and end up check/ calling one street and folding the turn or paying off a better flush.
And also, we obv don't have to necessarily hit our hand to win the pot so did you just feel villain was pretty decent and you would find it hard to show a prof in the long run OOP against them?
Also, are there any merits to 3betting hands in this spot and taking control of the hand?
I have played like 99% of my PLO at HU and am looking to add 6max to my repertoire. So to me I just see the spot in this hand as if I were in the BB vs SB on a HU table and I would never fold my hand and mix it up between 3bets and flats.
The problem with this hand is simply that it doesn't have many very strong components to it. The strongest one is our suited ace, but 88, 87, suited 8, A7 aren't exactly worth fistpumping. Make one of the 8's a 6 or 9 and I'd be much more excited to either flat or 3bet it.
The problem with 3betting is that we're just as likely to flop some weak pieces (that could get us in trouble) as some strong pieces, and we'll rarely flop super strong. The pair of 8's really decreases the amount of flops we hit.
where I can find this table skins ?
srry for the silly question, when can I get that deck? Great series btw, thanks alot
where I can find this table skins ?
srry for the silly question, when can I get that deck? Great series btw, thanks alot
"We can flop quads, too."
Had to take a break after that one ![]()
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Is there really a contemplation on whether or not to call here??
Pretty sure youre good % here and most likely drawing dead given the action
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Is 3Bing pot really a good idea here w/AKJTr?
I think its better to flat and get it in vs some worse/Dominated hands
Once 4B with this hand im assuming u get it in BUT prob not in great shape forcing us to win with a straight and ONLY a straight.
Much more $ to be made by out flopping someone and having them crushed imo.
Is there really a contemplation on whether or not to call here??
Pretty sure youre good % here and most likely drawing dead given the action
With top and bottom and no redraws, nah its not much of a consideration. But change a few small factors around and I don't think it's a snapfold. We are getting a great price and it's quite conceivable that they could both have drawing hands.
Speaking more generally, it's definitely a leak in PLO to build up large pots and then fold out our equity. In this case, if we flatted the flop instead of raising, we'd probably avoid that circumstance.
Is 3Bing pot really a good idea here w/AKJTr?
I think its better to flat and get it in vs some worse/Dominated hands
Once 4B with this hand im assuming u get it in BUT prob not in great shape forcing us to win with a straight and ONLY a straight.
Much more $ to be made by out flopping someone and having them crushed imo.
If we get 4bet and it's full pot back to us with some $ behind, it's a fold. Is that really an awful outcome though when he only does it with AA**?
I prefer to 3bet because I don't really want a multiway pot here. I'd rather get some initiative, flop a nice TP+ piece and take it to the house before a bunch of draws come in and make things worse for us.
If we get 4bet and it's full pot back to us with some $ behind, it's a fold. Is that really an awful outcome though when he only does it with AA**?
I prefer to 3bet because I don't really want a multiway pot here. I'd rather get some initiative, flop a nice TP+ piece and take it to the house before a bunch of draws come in and make things worse for us.
I guess its not too bad,I just hate getting money in PF and having to fold or even call when he "tells" us he has AAxx.
Im prob just used to the extreme passivity of the 25 and 50plo games the way they are today.I suppose we still crush villians draws when we get it in,in a 3B pot w/pieve + draw scenarios.
TY for the responses,Love the 3 diff POV with each hand.Very helpful.Good job ![]()
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