MaoMao
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I have been waiting a longgggggg week for this video. So I woke up 7 in the morning to watch this, but did not get a chance to finish it due to stupid summer school. When i come back now still nobody post a comment ?
GTFOH!!!!
Thank you Bart for this wonderful video. I bought a year of description because of you and i hope your videos never stops.
You are awsome !!!!!!
Now let me enjoy the last 30 minutes of this pure gold.
Thank you
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MaoMao
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Isn't bluff rising on a drawy board a very bad idea,
because people could have call you with a lot hands, even with position, you are unclear of the situation a lot of the times?
so i think if a good player rise you on this kind of board, he has 2 pair+ or a draw, He almost never show up with pure air here.
Bart would you bluff rise a decent opponent here on the flop with pure air? If he just called on the flop, would you bet huge a blank turn and shove a blank river?
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For KKs this hand,
I think its never a profitbale moves for him to just check call the flop with A9, It's a rise or fold.
what if he check rise the flop, what would you do here with KKs here??
Let's say we just called his c/r (what i would do), the turn is a blank, he lead out a bet that sets up stack for a river shove, Would you let KKs go here?
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Isn't bluff rising on a drawy board a very bad idea,
because people could have call you with a lot hands, even with position, you are unclear of the situation a lot of the times?
so i think if a good player rise you on this kind of board, he has 2 pair+ or a draw, He almost never show up with pure air here.
Bart would you bluff rise a decent opponent here on the flop with pure air? If he just called on the flop, would you bet huge a blank turn and shove a blank river?
Your right on. I wouldn't run a pure airball bluff here.
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For KKs this hand,
I think its never a profitbale moves for him to just check call the flop with A9, It's a rise or fold.
what if he check rise the flop, what would you do here with KKs here??
Let's say we just called his c/r (what i would do), the turn is a blank, he lead out a bet that sets up stack for a river shove, Would you let KKs go here?
This is really player and read dependent. I would definitely call the craise on the flop and then use my position to reevaluate.
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With the a5s flush draw hand would you be more or less likely to raise a lower flush draw and why?
Sometime I might raise a naked flush draw if the cbetters pre flop raising range is wide. However I would rather float flops with those types of draws and bet when checked to on the turn. Ac5c is a power draw, however, overcard, backdoor straight draw etc. Most likely if we get money in we are flipping.
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Bart what did you think of Croak's huge river bluff against Galfong on HSP? Genius? 
Go back and listen to the podcast from two or three episodes ago--I went over the entire hand in a segment towards the beginning.
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thanks for doing these - i really enjoy the interaction of video with after-the-fact discussion
some basic questions about your doing these, if you don't mind:
1) i've made a very careful decision not to make ghost videos and not to link my online screen names to the strategy i discuss. i prefer not to provide my opponents an eternal, inside perspective into how i think about a ton of spots. i think a number of other coaches are careful as well, and we're obviously helped a lot by DC's enthusiasm for classroom style videos in addition to the ghost format basically every other site uses as its exclusive medium. did you consider the consequences of talking so openly with your real face, voice and name linked to your strategy thoughts?
2) has anyone in these games talked to you about these videos? has it come up during a game?
3) you talk a lot about your opponents and you seem to maintain a very respectful tone, which i think is a good approach given their real likenesses appearing here. how much of a conscious decision was this and how freely are you sharing your reads?
thanks
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Just a thought, but I think it would be cool if you did an episode where the the villan's hole cards are not shown. Although you already know what the villan has so i guess your thought process on the hand could be unintentionally biased. I just think it would be a good lesson on hand reading. Don't get me wrong I do like the structure you're using, you do a very good job of giving an omniscient perspective and why people's actions are good or bad.
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Thank you for answering my question.
I agree it would be a lot more helpfull to not show players hole card until the end.
This way we can hand read alone with you and pick your brains
Thank you agian for your wonderful work.
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Just a thought, but I think it would be cool if you did an episode where the the villan's hole cards are not shown. Although you already know what the villan has so i guess your thought process on the hand could be unintentionally biased. I just think it would be a good lesson on hand reading. Don't get me wrong I do like the structure you're using, you do a very good job of giving an omniscient perspective and why people's actions are good or bad.
I also think that this would be awesome.
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livebikebart
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thanks for doing these - i really enjoy the interaction of video with after-the-fact discussion
some basic questions about your doing these, if you don't mind:
1) i've made a very careful decision not to make ghost videos and not to link my online screen names to the strategy i discuss. i prefer not to provide my opponents an eternal, inside perspective into how i think about a ton of spots. i think a number of other coaches are careful as well, and we're obviously helped a lot by DC's enthusiasm for classroom style videos in addition to the ghost format basically every other site uses as its exclusive medium. did you consider the consequences of talking so openly with your real face, voice and name linked to your strategy thoughts?
2) has anyone in these games talked to you about these videos? has it come up during a game?
3) you talk a lot about your opponents and you seem to maintain a very respectful tone, which i think is a good approach given their real likenesses appearing here. how much of a conscious decision was this and how freely are you sharing your reads?
thanks
I think a lot of online players overestimate the amount of thinking players that play live. Not only am I confident that typical live recreational players don't want to learn I think most are incapable of putting in the time to improve their game. Therefore it really doesn't concern me that I put out this information. Very occasionally does my podcast get mentioned and normally its from some young kid from out of town 
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Just a thought, but I think it would be cool if you did an episode where the the villan's hole cards are not shown. Although you already know what the villan has so i guess your thought process on the hand could be unintentionally biased. I just think it would be a good lesson on hand reading. Don't get me wrong I do like the structure you're using, you do a very good job of giving an omniscient perspective and why people's actions are good or bad.
I'll definitely keep this in mind for the next video series but right now the last two episode are still going to have the villain's hole cards in them.
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livebikebart
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Why would you limp 88? Shouldn't you raise to build the pot and also...you have 88 you can still value bet on a lot of pots when it's HU/3WAY no? 
You seem to be influenced by how you run and your mood quite a bit if I might say
There really is nothing wrong with limping medium and small pocket pairs from early position in a 9 handed game. In this case because of the Mississippi Straddle I was actually in the sb putting me at even more of a positional disadvantage.
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not to hijack but mike caro's book is an excellent start for this subject. the basic 'strong means weak' (and vice versa) is pretty reliable and extends to most of the stuff.
as far as avoiding giving tells: this is best learned through practice. play and be aware of what happens to you when you are in a hand. do you have a tough time maintaining conversation? make a policy to always stop talking when you decide to play a hand. tough time handling chips when betting/raising/calling? keep your elbow on the table and rotate your hand across the betting line to reduce shaking. also be conscious of how you set the chips down.
for the most part people overrate the significance of giving/getting live tells. if you're an online player, you know how important fundamentals are and how much of it comes down to playing well. it's really uncommon for a visual clue to really contradict something you conclude already from your observation of the action.
as you suggest through your question about betting though, you are right that sizing can be a huge clue. the best advice is just be attentive. in small games, you'll see really obvious tells - 2-4x BB raises preflop are speculative hands and 8-10bb are premiums for poor players - but it's not as easy at 5/10 and higher (though my experience is limited to a couple dozen hours). most of the time you'll just have to keep track of weird sizing and look for more information later.
gl
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Thanks for the info Terp,From what I've seen your spot on with the 2x-4x being speculative hands,and the 8-10 being premiums. I actually do the same thing because, no one is exploiting you at these games lol
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I wonder if you are possibly -EV to this nitty player type, while making up for it by much more +EV because of your looseness and ability to be in more hands and outplay the donkier players at the table.
This is coming from a micro-stakes supernit that seems to get burned everytime I open up my game. Although after watching your videos I see some leaks of mine such as inability to bet or raise fold AA or KK overpair.
Cheers, adastra
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You bet 255 here into a pot of 90+90+120 = 300? I feel like that's an erroneously large bet, even against your typical live player. If your plan is to check/call the river, wouldn't you be better served to bet around 180-200 to keep his calling range wider? Maybe your read on his looseness was a little off at the time of the hand - I mean if he's folding pair+ flush draw, he's very likely folding any non-royal flush draws, which makes check/calling river after this bet much worse than just value betting, no?
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You bet 255 here into a pot of 90+90+120 = 300? I feel like that's an erroneously large bet, even against your typical live player. If your plan is to check/call the river, wouldn't you be better served to bet around 180-200 to keep his calling range wider? Maybe your read on his looseness was a little off at the time of the hand - I mean if he's folding pair+ flush draw, he's very likely folding any non-royal flush draws, which makes check/calling river after this bet much worse than just value betting, no?
First of all, I know in the video I said I bet $255 but if you go back and see it was really $205. Depending on my imagine, though, I've definitely made bets this big and gotten called by weaker Aces. That's really what I am trying to get the value from. And I seriously doubt that he is folding his flush+straight draws on the turn to this sizing. If you seen this guy play preflop?
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@ 00:31:00 If you were to raise "Corp Mike" like you stated was optimal, what is your plan on the turn? Double barrel any over card? What about a ten? Do you double barrel or check on a 2, 4, 6, 8 that isn't a club? (the gut shot cards) Love the video!
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There really is nothing wrong with limping medium and small pocket pairs from early position in a 9 handed game. In this case because of the Mississippi Straddle I was actually in the sb putting me at even more of a positional disadvantage.
Bart, what's your philosophy with Mississippi straddles? Do you straddle? I only do it from the button. What are your thoughts on that? I think it might be dependent on your "image" which I now see as winning or loosing. Winning = straddle button, Loosing = No straddle.
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livebikebart
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Bart, what's your philosophy with Mississippi straddles? Do you straddle? I only do it from the button. What are your thoughts on that? I think it might be dependent on your "image" which I now see as winning or loosing. Winning = straddle button, Loosing = No straddle.
I'm not a huge fan of it because it makes the effective stacks a lot shallower. Its also to big of a disadvantage not to do if everyone else is doing it. If the game is playing deep, like on LATB last week where effective stacks were $5k, then I don't have a problem with it. I just find it annoying when everyone has bought in for 100BBs or less. I like your train of thought with winning and losing image though.
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@ 00:31:00 If you were to raise "Corp Mike" like you stated was optimal, what is your plan on the turn? Double barrel any over card? What about a ten? Do you double barrel or check on a 2, 4, 6, 8 that isn't a club? (the gut shot cards) Love the video!
I think that the only cards that I really check back are board pairing cards--and I am still going to barrel those a fair amount of the time. You can also check back board pairing cards and bluff raise rivers when you brick--makes it look a lot like you have a fullhouse.
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I'm not a huge fan of it because it makes the effective stacks a lot shallower. Its also to big of a disadvantage not to do if everyone else is doing it. If the game is playing deep, like on LATB last week where effective stacks were $5k, then I don't have a problem with it. I just find it annoying when everyone has bought in for 100BBs or less. I like your train of thought with winning and losing image though.
Thank you. I live in FL and it seems that at games here at the local casino (Silks) there is a lot of button straddling at 1/1, 1/2, and 2/5. I'm not able to play 5/10 yet but my understanding is that their game often requires a mandatory straddle on the button. However, that is an unlimited buy game. The 1/1 game plays as 1/1/2 about 50% of the time and the max buy is only $60. In that case you only have 15x the starting pot (M zone). The 1/2 game is $60 - $200. A $4 straddle there makes it 28x the starting pot. The 2/5 game allows up to 200BBs for a $1K buyin. There you could get up to 59x the starting pot. Sounds like most of these games will be playing very short then. Any advice on what ranges to play, pre-flop bet sizing etc. in order to deal with these shallow stacks? I'm assuming the value of suited connectors and PPs goes WAY down. Maybe try to get 30% of your stack in preflop and shove any flop that you have a piece of? I'd guess that also makes the games here very high variance.
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Thank you. I live in FL and it seems that at games here at the local casino (Silks) there is a lot of button straddling at 1/1, 1/2, and 2/5. I'm not able to play 5/10 yet but my understanding is that their game often requires a mandatory straddle on the button. However, that is an unlimited buy game. The 1/1 game plays as 1/1/2 about 50% of the time and the max buy is only $60. In that case you only have 15x the starting pot (M zone). The 1/2 game is $60 - $200. A $4 straddle there makes it 28x the starting pot. The 2/5 game allows up to 200BBs for a $1K buyin. There you could get up to 59x the starting pot. Sounds like most of these games will be playing very short then. Any advice on what ranges to play, pre-flop bet sizing etc. in order to deal with these shallow stacks? I'm assuming the value of suited connectors and PPs goes WAY down. Maybe try to get 30% of your stack in preflop and shove any flop that you have a piece of? I'd guess that also makes the games here very high variance.
Sounds about right to me. It makes the game play more like a tourney or NL CAP. The preflop holdings that go up in value are similar to Fixed Limit pre flop hands. The value of suitedness goes way down.
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Bart, Matt Affleck here. Just out of Curiosity what kind of hourly rate are you experiencing in these LA 5/10 games. What do you think is the max achievable rate. What about for 2/5nl. Thanks
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I remember a time not to long ago where I thought the game could be beat for $125 an hour. Now I doubt that it is $100. I think that you may be able to beat a $2/5 $500 cap game for $50 or $60.
Bart
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