Episode Six
Episode Six
In Episode Six, "Turn Aggression/Swimming with the Fish," DJ Sensei and Vanessa walk you through a two-part video designed to teach the finer points of continued aggression and adjustments to make in good games. In the first part of the video, you will learn when to bet and raise on the turn when you might otherwise be more passive, while the second half of the video you shows adjustments you should make in games where there is a complete fish.
tags: turn aggression unconventional wisdom vanessa dan dj sensei fslexcduck adjustments adjusting ipod friendly
This Series: Unconventional Wisdom
Join DJ Sensei and Vanessa Selbst as they think outside the box. Hand after hand of unorthodox, tricky and engaging play for the small stakes No-Limit player. Bid goodbye to ABC poker but be careful not to spew!
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- Squishee
- Deuces Full
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Wow , excellent !
This was very interesting and well explained.
I liked this one, thanks
- Robin_Ripper
- Pair of Deuces
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Joined 01/08
I liked this ep much more then the last 2 eps... :) Good stuff and can't wait to become more aggresive then passive on the turn!
Can't wait till next weeks ep!
I did experience some audio problems in the last 15 minutes of the (streaming) video....
- thac
- Pair of Deuces
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I did experience some audio problems in the last 15 minutes of the (streaming) video....
Same, it got to the point where I just skipped to see what the actions were, it's like trying to follow two conversations - it just wasn't working.
- Entity
- Founder
- Quad Deuces
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Same, it got to the point where I just skipped to see what the actions were, it's like trying to follow two conversations - it just wasn't working.
Checking this out now. When did you notice it starting to happen? Just the last 15 minutes (starting when Vanessa has JJ)?
I'm trying to see if it happens in the WMV at all, and haven't seen it yet, so I can isolate if it's just one file or if it happened in multiple spots.
Edit: K, I found some problematic spots with the MP4 where it gets a bit out of whack, starting with the hand where Vanessa has JJ. I'm re-encoding the MP4 now and will test it out again to see if there's something wiggy in the conversion process of this particular file, or what. Man I 
video encoding. Gah.
Rob
- maco144
- Deuce High
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Starting at the JJ had audio is fubared for me too. Lots of skipping, still manageable but annoying.
- Entity
- Founder
- Quad Deuces
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Starting at the JJ had audio is fubared for me too. Lots of skipping, still manageable but annoying.
This is the MP4 version for you too, right?
FWIW, small update: I tested the WMV on two comps (a PC and a Mac with flip4mac installed) and it was fine, and I've tried reproducing the MP4 (our process goes Camtasia -> WMV -> MP4) on two computers and both have been messed up. Really frustrated, trying on a third production computer right now and if it has issues too then I dunno what I'm gonna do, besides scream.
Rob
- Entity
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- Quad Deuces
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K, so I tried one last time. Hopefully the third time's a charm -- if it continues to be an issue let me know and I'll give it another shot, but whatever is going on is kinda tricky here. It seems to be playing better in VLC which should mean that it's better.
Rob
- Radeh
- Pair of Deuces
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Downloaded the WMV, and I got no problems when playing in VLC. Haven't tested with other players, 'cause VLC beats all the other players anyway.
Great video, thanks for teaching us something about good turn aggression!
- Millman123
- Deuce High
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Downloaded the WMV, and I got no problems when playing in VLC. Haven't tested with other players, 'cause VLC beats all the other players anyway.
Great video, thanks for teaching us something about good turn aggression!
No problems with WMV + Realplayer.
-Millman
- schaffem111
- Set of Deuces
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269 posts
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An actual strategy question rather than a tech issue...
In Dan's JT hand where he floats the c/r on the 668t board and spikes the J on the turn - what's your turn plan if you don't spike the J? What if it were a Qd, putting the same 2 flush draws out but giving you no pair/no draw with the JTo? Just fold to the bet, or are you bluff shoving now? What if turn is a complete blank - offsuit undercard? An offsuit Ace?
Just trying to think through the different turn scenarios that could come up after you are investing in floating the c/r on the flop.
- schaffem111
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One more strat question now that I've finished watching the vid.
In the final hand, we are risking $100 to win $30. I agree that the maniac usually doesn't have anything, but it seems to me that these guys are also going to call down with any pair, any draw, any 2 overcards so often that I have a hard time seeing the profitability of this play when we so little equity. And when we are called it doesn't even help build a crazy image, since the rest of the table knows that we were playing against a shortstacked maniac and aren't going to play the same way against them, and we are likely never to see the maniac again.
Vanessa, I want to believe. Convince me!
- DJ Sensei
- Exec Producer
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An actual strategy question rather than a tech issue...
In Dan's JT hand where he floats the c/r on the 668t board and spikes the J on the turn - what's your turn plan if you don't spike the J? What if it were a Qd, putting the same 2 flush draws out but giving you no pair/no draw with the JTo? Just fold to the bet, or are you bluff shoving now? What if turn is a complete blank - offsuit undercard? An offsuit Ace?
Just trying to think through the different turn scenarios that could come up after you are investing in floating the c/r on the flop.
Good question, and we definitely lucked out with that Jack-ball. As I noted in the video, his turn bet is pretty strong, so we probably wouldn't want to continue bluffing too much here if the turn was a Q or an undercard or something. If it was an Ace or a King, I think i'm more likely to shove because most people have a real tough time calling stacks off with underpairs when those cards come, compared to a J or T or Q.
Also, if his turn action was weaker (either a smaller bet or a check) we'd probably be much more likely to take it away. And definitely, the turn is the time to do that. If we check back (or just call) on the turn, our range seems much weaker than if we bet strongly (or shove).
- Barrin6
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I eat dinner while I watch these vids. And all I have to say is that your videos are more delicious
- Learn2Earn
- Deuce High
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Interesting points on the 80/40 folks. I'm at the point of giving up on these guys. I have seen some seriously large stacks in front of them the past few days at FT. People were lined up to get at them but they kept on hitting. I think they induce tilt and people jam TP to get at them. Some good points were made at any rate.
Mark
- Rafull
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hey, first of all, very nice job :-P
I would like to comment the last hand, i think that shove with 8Ts in that spot vs a donkey is EV-. i would have to be pretty sure that he is betting air to do this. It is not a good ratio risk/reward, a 52/24 will call here with a wide range, that includes a lot of draws and we are beating nothing.
I think that a x3raise makes the job, the ratio risk/reward is bigger, and with this 3bet he wont shove bluffing.
Donkeys hit flops too, and in this spot, if he calls we are always dead ...I think that the minimum bet to make the job would be excellent, and shove it is not neccesary, IMHO.
Sorry for my english, i dont know if i have expressed myself correctly :P
- DJ Sensei
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If he was deeper I agree, but given the situation, our hand, and the board, any raise we make on the flop commits us to the pot (unless its a small enough raise, and if that was the case we may well induce a 3bet bluff because our raise is suspiciously small!). If we're committed to calling a shove, and we have a bluff or semibluff, its (almost) always better to just jam it in ourself. And the (almost) mostly comes into play at higher stakes with more metagame considerations between advanced players.
Hope this helps!