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Push: AMT (#7) - 4-Tabling Review

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Push: AMT (#7) - 4-Tabling Review by AMT

AMT does a member review of "BWMASJR" 4 tabling 6.50 turbo STT's on PokerStars.

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Sit and Go'ers beware: DC's tournament specialists walk you through everything about STTs. Watch and learn how to destroy sit and go tournaments: when to bluff, when to fold, and of course, when to push.

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  • Game: mttsng
  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 109 minutes long
  • Posted over 2 years ago

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Comments for Push: AMT (#7) - 4-Tabling Review

forker

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Time Link to 01:02:24

yay tournament day Smile

oops 4 checking back the river with the stone cold nuts on table 2.
I guess that's the downside of multitabling Wink

Good review AMT.

Posted over 2 years ago

AMT

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Time Link to 01:02:33

I think I missed commenting on this because of the nuts check back on the river on table 2 Smile but either way it was missed in the initial review; on table 4, the K5o on the btn should be a push. With ante's and just 1200, it's as good an opportunity as we can hope for to steal the blinds. I'd fold with more chips, but as it stands I'd be happy to push any ace, any king, many queens, down to middling suited Jx hands and suited/connecting goodness, as a rough guide of how wide we want to be getting involved there.

Posted over 2 years ago

BWMASJR

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Time Link to 00:00:29

By lagggggggggggggg I meant stars was freezing alot during this session

Posted over 2 years ago

noidea555

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Time Link to 00:32:03

Hi AMT, thanks a lot for making this video. I just started playing STT's a week ago so I'm pretty happy about the timing of this video.

I don't know how to put multiple time links in one post, so I'm just gonna make a new post with a new timelink if I have more questions; I hope thats ok.

Anyways, on table 1, what do you think of...

a) alterego's shove with the KJo
b) Omagnoma's call with the 99.

Thank you.

Posted over 2 years ago

noidea555

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Time Link to 00:41:50

At 41:50

Had it been folded around to us in the sb, would this be a shove with the KJo?

2 or 3 hands after that, we have AA and Omagnoma shoves over our raise with 77. You only talked about how agressive he was being, but you didn't say whether or not you liked the shove. Is his shove good against a competent player and is it good against a fish?

Thank again.

Posted over 2 years ago

BWMASJR

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yay tournament day Smile

oops 4 checking back the river with the stone cold nuts on table 2.
I guess that's the downside of multitabling Wink

Good review AMT.


yea I was focused on the AJs hand on the table below and just plain misread the board/my hand

Posted over 2 years ago

AMT

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Hi noidea,

No problem. Thanks for the comments. To answer your questions

1) Both the shove and the call on table 1 seem pretty standard to me.

2) 41:50- yes, if it folded I would've open shoved the KJ for sure. Probably a couple of worse Kx hands as well.

3) Re: the 77 shove over the aces a few hands later--- It depends. Against certain regs, it is definitely a bad shove because they'd probably have seen omagnoma picking up bubble aggression and would realize that if he has any clue he might be shoving over with a reasonably wide range to small opens. Thus, they would likely jam any hand that they would feel semi threatened to face a shove with, so their open-to-500 range wouldn't be nearly loose enough on the bubble to justify it.

The thing about all of this is, I'm not sure of BWM and Omagnoma's history together, but pending there being any, it is unlikely that Omagnoma would credit most players with figuring that out (and rightfully so). At least, not to the extent to which he'd talk himself into folding 77 there.

So, while it might be close, if he can expect his opponent to be opening more than just his monsters, and expect that his opponent can fold to a shove (and on the bubble, several would with even relatively strong hands) a chunk of the time, it seems like it'd be fine (And with more knowledge of his opponents range there, he could justify re-shoving a fairly wide range of hands). I couldn't surmise enough about BWM's game in just this video to give you a definitive answer, but my inclination is that he would've just shoved a lot of the hands that Omagnoma would need him to open raise with to make the shove good vs. him.

Also, if you're just starting out with SNG's, I recommend checking out my "Last Man Standing Series" to help you firm up the basics, and probably Vandweller's "Real Life microgrinder" series as well. Good luck, hope this helps.

Posted over 2 years ago

BWMASJR

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Hi noidea,

No problem. Thanks for the comments. To answer your questions

1) Both the shove and the call on table 1 seem pretty standard to me.

2) 41:50- yes, if it folded I would've open shoved the KJ for sure. Probably a couple of worse Kx hands as well.

3) Re: the 77 shove over the aces a few hands later--- It depends. Against certain regs, it is definitely a bad shove because they'd probably have seen omagnoma picking up bubble aggression and would realize that if he has any clue he might be shoving over with a reasonably wide range to small opens. Thus, they would likely jam any hand that they would feel semi threatened to face a shove with, so their open-to-500 range wouldn't be nearly loose enough on the bubble to justify it.

The thing about all of this is, I'm not sure of BWM and Omagnoma's history together, but pending there being any, it is unlikely that Omagnoma would credit most players with figuring that out (and rightfully so). At least, not to the extent to which he'd talk himself into folding 77 there.

So, while it might be close, if he can expect his opponent to be opening more than just his monsters, and expect that his opponent can fold to a shove (and on the bubble, several would with even relatively strong hands) a chunk of the time, it seems like it'd be fine (And with more knowledge of his opponents range there, he could justify re-shoving a fairly wide range of hands). I couldn't surmise enough about BWM's game in just this video to give you a definitive answer, but my inclination is that he would've just shoved a lot of the hands that Omagnoma would need him to open raise with to make the shove good vs. him.

Also, if you're just starting out with SNG's, I recommend checking out my "Last Man Standing Series" to help you firm up the basics, and probably Vandweller's "Real Life microgrinder" series as well. Good luck, hope this helps.



I didn't really have much history w/ Omagnoma outside of this session and have since been playing on fulltilt mostly but given table dynamic and his apparent increased aggression I prob would have raise/called something like 77+, AT+

Posted over 2 years ago

MrDoefke

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Great video! Too bad we don't see the bet sizes on the table. I can't believe someone can play without them.

Posted over 2 years ago

AMT

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Great video! Too bad we don't see the bet sizes on the table. I can't believe someone can play without them.




I'm not sure if I mentioned in the video, but I was thinking this the entire time Smile I'm assuming BWM isn't playing on stars much, but in general I'd think it could be a big help to anyone multi tabling.

Posted over 2 years ago

Tehanu

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1:10:50

I'd fold the A8s. Omagnoma isn't folding ever and I think that if Vander Ploeg is in his right mind he'll fold everything else except like big pairs and big aces.

Posted over 2 years ago

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1:10:50

I'd fold the A8s. Omagnoma isn't folding ever and I think that if Vander Ploeg is in his right mind he'll fold everything else except like big pairs and big aces.




Glad someone mentioned this spot! Seems pretty interesting...
I agree on the first point, but if the flatter was in his right mind, would he have flatted there then snap check/folded?

Posted over 2 years ago

Tehanu

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Glad someone mentioned this spot! Seems pretty interesting...
I agree on the first point, but if the flatter was in his right mind, would he have flatted there then snap check/folded?



Yeah i forgot to mention that the flatter was probably really bad. BUT i still think that even bad players intuitively fold here cause they can freeroll for the next spot in the ladder.

Posted over 2 years ago

MrDoefke

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AMT,

0:10:30

With the Jacks you suggest 3betting and getting allin on many flops if villain calls preflop. On what kind of flops wouldn't you go allin or what would you do if villain calls your 3bet and donks on the flop? Or would you just go allin in all situations because of pot commitment with the 3bet?

Posted over 2 years ago

AMT

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AMT,

0:10:30

With the Jacks you suggest 3betting and getting allin on many flops if villain calls preflop. On what kind of flops wouldn't you go allin or what would you do if villain calls your 3bet and donks on the flop? Or would you just go allin in all situations because of pot commitment with the 3bet?




This guy had pretty aggressive stats, and it's fairly easy to set up a good SPR to get it in on the postflop, so I'd get it in on a ton of flops. If the flop came AKx or AKQ or something really gross and the guy donked I'd fold, but anything short of something super gross like that and I'd likely just go with my hand in this spot.

Posted over 2 years ago

Teferi

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Time Link to 00:46:02

in the QJ on QKK flop on table 1, can we bet/fold this flop?

Posted over 2 years ago

AMT

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in the QJ on QKK flop on table 1, can we bet/fold this flop?




With the stacks we're too short to bet/fold, not to mention the times we bet/fold the best hand against a big loser at these stakes. We should either be check/raising all in or just bet/calling. But the more I look at it, if we don't think he's the type to be open limp trapping here, the more it's probably just a shove preflop so we don't get into this mess Smile

Posted over 2 years ago

jasonbo

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AMT

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Hi jasonbo,

Thanks for the post.

Why not vaulebet the straight on table 2




I don't think he saw it when he was playing. I didn't even see it in the first play through of the hand Smile If you watch just past that hand I rewind and go back through the situation. You're right obviously, definite value bet spot!

Also, thank you for posting this, because I just noticed a hand right after that I didn't see before either (I recall having some issues getting this video to play and ended up having to use the raw .camrec as a means to record). At just about 1:04 on the 4th table (bottom right), BWM folds Kx on the btn 3 handed with approximately 1200 chips at t200 with ante's. I feel as though this is a shove pretty much regardless of who is in the blinds (unless they're calling so insanely wide that it would be obvious enough in our adjustment, but these situations really don't arise much if ever). With slightly more chips, or without ante's, depending on how loose the opponents in the blinds are, it might be a closer situation, but I'd push confidently otherwise.

Hope everyone watching videos knows how important it is to read through the threads afterwards. This is why (bc I'm a n00b obv)!

Posted over 2 years ago

nanohectic

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Time Link to 01:12:47

I think at that spot SB rarely has A8 beat there with his stack size,
more likely to be a weak opponent trying to peel a flop 10-9 suited type hands,

though you might run into button with a hand, i think with 2075 in the pot already, its a good spot to shove.

Posted almost 2 years ago



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