Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by BigBadBabar (Micro/Small Stakes)

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I love going ahead and bluffing this river, I think he has 33 and is folding always

EDIT: I suck

who is that magnificent bastard sitting directly to John Juanda's left?

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I've seen BBB open some strange hands UTG in this video series and in various FR games that we've played. ATs was big enough that I wouldn't mind seeing a flop in postion and taking the initiative away from him. Plus it's big enough that I can keep the pot small if an ace flops and I can blow the pot up if I hit a strong draw. On the flop I just called because of sb taking 2.5 to the chin and then checking the flop. SB's hand range is so wide that I figured the pot was big enough and I'd try to keep him around. Once he's gone it's simply calling down IP with a draw and then calling WA/WB on the river vs BBB's range.

No time for a couple of days, but what's the deal with the 1 star rating?

No time for a couple of days, but what's the deal with the 1 star rating?

Haha, one was me when I miss clicked it. Guess I should re-rate it a 4 or something neutral.

BBB,

To open, I just want to say much respect for the great analysis.

Q4s at 6:30
30/8/40hands open limps, SB comes along, we check our BB.
Flop comes K35rb with one spade, giving us a bdFD and bdSD.

imo, this is like the best board/time to bet out (or c/r) ever. The 30/8 knows how to raise the top of his range and limps too many other hands that can't call in this small pot. We are getting 3:1 on a bluff and can fold right away if raised. If called, we can turn a lot of decent cards and can play accordingly.

just me.

AQs in bottom left at 8:00.

I check this turn for a lot of reasons I have stated lately in the forums, however, a few major things come to mind looking at this hand.

The BB calls our UTG open, HU to the flop. This should be a decent range, not ATC.

BB calls the J65 rb flop and turn brings a 3. From your comments, you seem to think better is never folding. I agree. This makes our bet completely for value.

Do we really have a value bet? I think that there are relatively few draws on board. We have the nut FD (killing a lot of villain's outs), position, no FE verse a better hand, and great SD equity verse random junk that called the flop.

thoughts.

AQo top left 28:00.

Awesome analysis up to the river. I agree with everything you said and bet the turn for value as well with tons of draws present, no flop raise, etc. I would b/call down a lot of river too.

On the river, I see zero reason to ever bet here. Check and decide, imo. Pot is big, villain has suited broadways in his range (key here imo) that may bluff, both FD missed. This is also not a good board for AK-high to bet for value. (I think NerdKing is good enough to NOT raise the turn verses your board reading abilities with some of these hands that may desperation bluff on the river, especially on the T.)

edit: you would cap the flop for value in his position with ATs here?

99 bottom right at 42:00, great turn bet.

This is a really interesting multiway bluffing spot for villain that I have been considering a lot lately, and we can't check. This makes the bluff really interesting in a protected pot on this board.

just me.

What hands might you check on this turn?

JJ top left at 48:30.

I like the river c/f. He should really have raised any FD on the flop, imo.

Q-high and 9x are checking back the river when you check, imo. He has a A or K overwhelmingly here.

T8o in BB top left at 55:00, TAG in late position iso's a limper, you call in BB. Just as an example, this is a spot I would go ahead and 3-bet a lot instead of calling.

just throwing it out there.

gg, 5 stars imo.

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ciao

the video is kinda grainy. I think this might be because you accidentally resized it during processing. The video should remain 100% of its original size. I'm fairly certain there's a deuces cracked coach somewhere whose a video expert. He'd definitely know exactly why.

Funny story, when I started watching this video i sent an im to my friend asking why everyone is minraising preflop at full ring. Yeah, its limit.

god damn it. I tried to explain entropy. Its so hard you have no idea. Entropy is basically related to how much internal heat energy any thing has available. However, internal energy doesnt exactly equate to entropy. So yeah, wrong word, and just incredibly hard to describe. I tried to explain it in greater detail but kept wondering if what I wrote was precisely "correct".

I hate thermodynamics.

sup guys, am in vegas with limited internet. will get to the comments in a few days when i get back. thanks!

Kittens? What's up with the references to Kittens - is that some kind of reference to tilt control?

kittens=etc/and stuff. and kittens.

I love going ahead and bluffing this river, I think he has 33 and is folding always

EDIT: I suck

hehe, bluff fail, imo

who is that magnificent bastard sitting directly to John Juanda's left?

some dood, imo

who is that magnificent bastard sitting directly to John Juanda's left?

i saw juanda at the rio last night; he's taller than i expected

I've seen BBB open some strange hands UTG in this video series and in various FR games that we've played. ATs was big enough that I wouldn't mind seeing a flop in postion and taking the initiative away from him. Plus it's big enough that I can keep the pot small if an ace flops and I can blow the pot up if I hit a strong draw. On the flop I just called because of sb taking 2.5 to the chin and then checking the flop. SB's hand range is so wide that I figured the pot was big enough and I'd try to keep him around. Once he's gone it's simply calling down IP with a draw and then calling WA/WB on the river vs BBB's range.

yeah i think your pf3b is fine vs my frisky range obv. i just prefer a flop raise cuz sb is gonna call 2 with almost his entire calling-1 range and you are in position vs everybody. you have a pretty big hand and i have no problem just building a big pot when i'm in that kind of situation. you could even potentially make me think about folding a better ace unimproved on the turn or the river with the other guy stuck in there acting as a buffer.

BBB,

To open, I just want to say much respect for the great analysis.

Q4s at 6:30
30/8/40hands open limps, SB comes along, we check our BB.
Flop comes K35rb with one spade, giving us a bdFD and bdSD.

imo, this is like the best board/time to bet out (or c/r) ever. The 30/8 knows how to raise the top of his range and limps too many other hands that can't call in this small pot. We are getting 3:1 on a bluff and can fold right away if raised. If called, we can turn a lot of decent cards and can play accordingly.

just me.

yeah i agree, not a bad board to attack at all. the one guy at least is not very foldy though but it's still worth a shot.

AQs in bottom left at 8:00.

I check this turn for a lot of reasons I have stated lately in the forums, however, a few major things come to mind looking at this hand.

The BB calls our UTG open, HU to the flop. This should be a decent range, not ATC.

BB calls the J65 rb flop and turn brings a 3. From your comments, you seem to think better is never folding. I agree. This makes our bet completely for value.

Do we really have a value bet? I think that there are relatively few draws on board. We have the nut FD (killing a lot of villain's outs), position, no FE verse a better hand, and great SD equity verse random junk that called the flop.

thoughts.

i don't disagree with a lot of your analysis; i just tend to use a lot of the same factors and look at it from the other side (call it the glass half full / i'm a lag argument ):

-there is a worse fd out that will call
-4x hands will call
-worse ace highs will call, maybe even king highs
-some random hands like 87 or whatever will call
-i have a zillion outs vs almost anything made that he has, including small pairs
-betting in a way increases my implied odds and disguises my hand
-i'd rather bet once more here now and take a free showdown ui rather than induce a bet from a bad kinda passive player and then have to call it when a lot of the time i'm not good
-i like 2barreling a lot in lots of spots and also when it's close so it's good for my image etc

all these ranges imo have to be expanded cuz i have a lagbot image and people at my tables will eventually rightfully and rightously start to hate me and in general that means more playingback vs me and more callingdownlight

AQo top left 28:00.

Awesome analysis up to the river. I agree with everything you said and bet the turn for value as well with tons of draws present, no flop raise, etc. I would b/call down a lot of river too.

On the river, I see zero reason to ever bet here. Check and decide, imo. Pot is big, villain has suited broadways in his range (key here imo) that may bluff, both FD missed. This is also not a good board for AK-high to bet for value. (I think NerdKing is good enough to NOT raise the turn verses your board reading abilities with some of these hands that may desperation bluff on the river, especially on the T.)

edit: you would cap the flop for value in his position with ATs here?

yea iirc i said in the analysis in the video that i didn't like my river bet and that i did it at the time just without really thinking about it.

with ATs in his position if he raised, SB coldcalled, I 3bet, i'd definitely cap it up.

99 bottom right at 42:00, great turn bet.

This is a really interesting multiway bluffing spot for villain that I have been considering a lot lately, and we can't check. This makes the bluff really interesting in a protected pot on this board.

just me.

What hands might you check on this turn?

i can see myself betting basically my whole range here tbh. i mean any pair or made hand definitely. something like jts or qjs i can use the K as a bluff card. something like aqs or ajo or whatever it's a combo of bluffing and valuebetting.

gg, 5 stars imo.

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ciao

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ty for the comments!

the video is kinda grainy. I think this might be because you accidentally resized it during processing. The video should remain 100% of its original size. I'm fairly certain there's a deuces cracked coach somewhere whose a video expert. He'd definitely know exactly why.

Funny story, when I started watching this video i sent an im to my friend asking why everyone is minraising preflop at full ring. Yeah, its limit.

yea, i have a laptop with a small screen and i think i just can't fit in 4 tiled tables w/o overlapping and still keep it sharp. i'm exploring options such as getting a better computer, overlapping tables in my next set of vids, etc. i have also heard the rumor that there are some dc coaches who are good at technology.

ty for watching!

god damn it. I tried to explain entropy. Its so hard you have no idea. Entropy is basically related to how much internal heat energy any thing has available. However, internal energy doesnt exactly equate to entropy. So yeah, wrong word, and just incredibly hard to describe. I tried to explain it in greater detail but kept wondering if what I wrote was precisely "correct".

I hate thermodynamics.

Kittens? What's up with the references to Kittens - is that some kind of reference to tilt control?

whenever i make a list of things i always just put kittens at the end; just a quirk of mine

ie 'i raise here for value, protection, fold equity, metagame, and kittens'

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Why didn't you bet here? That seems like a perfect spot for it from what you've been saying in the rest of the series. It's a dry board, and you even have two back door draws.

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Your explanation is basically that a 30/8 player behind you is not the kind of player you want to attack. Is the problem that you figure he'll call a lot with the worst hand but firing a second barrel on the turn isn't something you want to get into doing in a $6 pot?

BTW Chrome FTW I can make comments now.

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In the A8s....

Isn't think a pretty light 3 bet to start, against a guy with the stats I see (I think he's listed as a 13/8 or something, but I can't quite see it). Once he caps, aren't you just always crushed? You flop top top on the 3 flush board and I just don't see the point of getting aggro on the flop. It's sort of a wa/wb/coinflip situation right? He's either got a big pair in which case you're crushed (since sometimes that big pair has a heart), he has no pair no heart, in which case he's crushed (since one of his cards is usually an ace that you have reverse dominated) or he has overs and a heart in which case it's a coin flip (he has like 12 outs on the flop). Why put in more action and let him play better against your hand?

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Again maybe I can't read that guy's stats right, but isn't he a 15/8 over 240 hands opening UTG? So shouldn't that make his preflop range something like 88+, AQ+? I kinda feel like you can fold here.....

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I'd check/call the river but am very uncomfortable with basically any action. That ten doesn't look like (isn't optically I think is your word ) a bad card, but really you had done some pretty serious hand range reduction on this guy and it actually fills in a lot of what's left that you beat. I agree that you don't get called by worse much at all here, but can't fold against a thinking solid player.

Another thing to remember is that you did cap preflop, in a way over repping your hand. A thinking player notices that right? He's not a fish who just forgets the previous streets actions.

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Why did you turbo fold the A4o hand?

Why didn't you bet here? That seems like a perfect spot for it from what you've been saying in the rest of the series. It's a dry board, and you even have two back door draws.

i think a bet here is great. i missed it.

Your explanation is basically that a 30/8 player behind you is not the kind of player you want to attack. Is the problem that you figure he'll call a lot with the worst hand but firing a second barrel on the turn isn't something you want to get into doing in a $6 pot?

BTW Chrome FTW I can make comments now.

is this the q4ss hand still? i mean i don't have any problem with firing once here on the flop into two players. the problem is that if i fire and this guy calls me and then the other guy folds, the board texture is super dry so most likely he has a pair. so i should probably just c/f the turn if it's a brick since his range is most likely pairs, and rarely draws, and i don't really have any fold equity vs a pair. i mean there are some good turns for me, no doubt.

In the A8s....

Isn't think a pretty light 3 bet to start, against a guy with the stats I see (I think he's listed as a 13/8 or something, but I can't quite see it). Once he caps, aren't you just always crushed? You flop top top on the 3 flush board and I just don't see the point of getting aggro on the flop. It's sort of a wa/wb/coinflip situation right? He's either got a big pair in which case you're crushed (since sometimes that big pair has a heart), he has no pair no heart, in which case he's crushed (since one of his cards is usually an ace that you have reverse dominated) or he has overs and a heart in which case it's a coin flip (he has like 12 outs on the flop). Why put in more action and let him play better against your hand?

at the time preflop it just seemed (based on the nebulous intuitionranges floating around in my head like a fine spot to 3bet). i stoved my hand vs 15% range - which i think is reasonable if he's positionally aware - i would expect his 13/8 to be composed on a sliding scale from like 7/7 utg to like 20/18 otb or whatever. vs 15% range i'm taking slightly the worst of it but i think my hand plays pretty well and also i generate a lot of fold equity vs this type of tight player. i get a bit of bb dead money in there too obv.

In the A8s....

Isn't think a pretty light 3 bet to start, against a guy with the stats I see (I think he's listed as a 13/8 or something, but I can't quite see it). Once he caps, aren't you just always crushed? You flop top top on the 3 flush board and I just don't see the point of getting aggro on the flop. It's sort of a wa/wb/coinflip situation right? He's either got a big pair in which case you're crushed (since sometimes that big pair has a heart), he has no pair no heart, in which case he's crushed (since one of his cards is usually an ace that you have reverse dominated) or he has overs and a heart in which case it's a coin flip (he has like 12 outs on the flop). Why put in more action and let him play better against your hand?

i think your postflop analysis is certainly reasonable, although i somewhat disagree with your conclusion. i guess i don't see a point in not getting aggressive on the flop though - all his nonpair nonheart hands check back the turn and take the free card on me. i guess it isn't a terrible spot for a checkcall, donk safe turncards line, but if i feel like i have the best hand and want to deny a free turn card i usually just tend to take the lead on the flop and start getting money in there. i also think that i have some fake outs when he has no hearts and one comes on the turn.

so when you say that me going aggro lets him play well - i think it puts pressure on him, gets me max value, and creates some fold equity. it's not like if he jams post i'm instaspewing back and/or getting to sd happily. i think your proposal of going passive lets him play well - valuebetting us if he needs, taking free cards if he needs, and generally using the positional advantage to the max

Again maybe I can't read that guy's stats right, but isn't he a 15/8 over 240 hands opening UTG? So shouldn't that make his preflop range something like 88+, AQ+? I kinda feel like you can fold here.....

when i have the 77? i'm not disputing the fact that the opener has a tight range that is ahead of me. that's not the (only/main) consideration/reason i'm calling.

I'd check/call the river but am very uncomfortable with basically any action. That ten doesn't look like (isn't optically I think is your word ) a bad card, but really you had done some pretty serious hand range reduction on this guy and it actually fills in a lot of what's left that you beat. I agree that you don't get called by worse much at all here, but can't fold against a thinking solid player.

Another thing to remember is that you did cap preflop, in a way over repping your hand. A thinking player notices that right? He's not a fish who just forgets the previous streets actions.

aqo hand? yeah i don't like my river bet here - the pot is too big to really make him fold anything better except ako and i don't think he has enough combos of that vis-a-vis the pot size. check/calling seems to let him play pretty well vs me also. maybe checkfold is best upon further review. he should be seeing my check as a defensive, sd-bound one, so any bet he makes should be value-oriented and not a bluff.

Why did you turbo fold the A4o hand?

tiny pot, not closing action, not the best straight draw, flush draw taints me a bit, meh pair outs, board is clearly straighty so i don't get a lot of action even if i do hit and some of those times it will be a chop or i get resucked

i'm pretty happy w/this one

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Do you just complete the small blind with any hands here (the T9o hand)? I usually do it with the hands you just said you'd fold (76o, etc).

i think your postflop analysis is certainly reasonable, although i somewhat disagree with your conclusion. i guess i don't see a point in not getting aggressive on the flop though - all his nonpair nonheart hands check back the turn and take the free card on me. i guess it isn't a terrible spot for a checkcall, donk safe turncards line, but if i feel like i have the best hand and want to deny a free turn card i usually just tend to take the lead on the flop and start getting money in there. i also think that i have some fake outs when he has no hearts and one comes on the turn.

so when you say that me going aggro lets him play well - i think it puts pressure on him, gets me max value, and creates some fold equity. it's not like if he jams post i'm instaspewing back and/or getting to sd happily. i think your proposal of going passive lets him play well - valuebetting us if he needs, taking free cards if he needs, and generally using the positional advantage to the max

Meh. He has position he's going to own us kinda no matter what we do. If we are passive yes he can take free cards when he needs them, but if we are aggro he charges us one more bet when we're behind. I see your point, but combined with the fact that I think you're close to out of line already with the 3 bet and then get capped it just felt like a lot of action to me.

when i have the 77? i'm not disputing the fact that the opener has a tight range that is ahead of me. that's not the (only/main) consideration/reason i'm calling.

Well I made that post when you were talking about raising, which you didn't do

I still think this is pretty light for a cold-call. Do you really think you can make up enough post flop when you hit a set on average against a range as strong as his? In an ideal situation you're going to get a 5 way pot, and I've always heard the mantra that you want to avoid taking 4 and 5 way flops with middle pairs if you can. Thoughts?

Well I made that post when you were talking about raising, which you didn't do

I still think this is pretty light for a cold-call. Do you really think you can make up enough post flop when you hit a set on average against a range as strong as his? In an ideal situation you're going to get a 5 way pot, and I've always heard the mantra that you want to avoid taking 4 and 5 way flops with middle pairs if you can. Thoughts?

well, one guy coldcalled before me, right? i try never to be the first coldcaller. i assume my hope was that some looser guys behind me would overcoldcall too and we'd build a multiway pot. i wanna turn one of your questions back around on you:

against what kind of ranges do implied odds hands make the most money?

as far as taking flops with a certain number of people and a certain type of hand, i think i know what you're referring to - certain kinds of hands don't play as well in certain situations. like 77 certainly prefers hu/3way or massively multiway. but there are often situations preflop where you can't really know/guarantee either one of those outcomes yet you still feel like you have a playable situation. here, with the tight open, the meh guy coldcalling, i have an okay hand that's pretty easy to play (jam when hit, proceed cautiously/fold when don't), some other guys might coldcall - i can't see how folding is better. i think if you always fold pf when the situation isn't 'perfect' that it's probably a bit less than optimal.

Do you just complete the small blind with any hands here (the T9o hand)? I usually do it with the hands you just said you'd fold (76o, etc).

yeah, i definitely have a calling range here. i just tend to raise pretty lightly when i think the big blind is foldy, or the limper is super loose or not showdown bound, or some combination of those things. i think something like 87o i'd most always complete, or j8s or something - a lot of that middle stuff. t9o could be a complete also for sure.

well, one guy coldcalled before me, right? i try never to be the first coldcaller. i assume my hope was that some looser guys behind me would overcoldcall too and we'd build a multiway pot. i wanna turn one of your questions back around on you:

against what kind of ranges do implied odds hands make the most money?

as far as taking flops with a certain number of people and a certain type of hand, i think i know what you're referring to - certain kinds of hands don't play as well in certain situations. like 77 certainly prefers hu/3way or massively multiway. but there are often situations preflop where you can't really know/guarantee either one of those outcomes yet you still feel like you have a playable situation. here, with the tight open, the meh guy coldcalling, i have an okay hand that's pretty easy to play (jam when hit, proceed cautiously/fold when don't), some other guys might coldcall - i can't see how folding is better. i think if you always fold pf when the situation isn't 'perfect' that it's probably a bit less than optimal.

Obviously I'm not saying you shouldn't play if the situation isn't perfect. My claim here is that cold calling with 77 is actually -EV, which is of course a very questionable claim (just making sure we're on the same page). I realize you can't predict what's going to happen with 100% accuracy, but I think cold calling in your spot was likely to result in a 4-5 way pot a majority of the time.

As to your question, implied odds hands tend to make the most money against super strong ranges. If a guy's range is exactly AA you can almost call him HU in position with 22 because the 1 in 8 times you flop a set you're going to win a million bets because he's never folding (admittedly you probably won't win 7 bets on average, so it's a stretch but you get the idea).

Maybe I've gotten soft and actually am passing up on profitable situations because the live games I play in offer so many opportunities to practically steal chips.

yea i agree with you certainly that the 77 will be close here. given that it's gonna go off 4 or 5 ways, and i'm in there with at least one bad guy, and one ep guy with a strong range (like you mentioned), and i feel like my implieds have to be there or quite close to it.

i think your last statement is pretty fair, to be honest. i think you can just make a decent hourly in some of those live games by being better than people preflop and so maybe you didn't really worry about the close spots or some of the postflop quite as much just because it wasn't really necessary. but now you're focusing on everything and you're going to be a soulcrusher imo.

Thanks for making the video.
I have a questiong about one of the hands, and my thought process might be too spewy. I hope you could shed some light on the situation.

At minute 53, do you ever consider 3 betting the flop with your nut flush draw + 1 over to the J?

Could that be considered pushing our equity against worse draws or any 3x or 5x?

Assuming we dont make our hand on the turn, he is never folding Jx, but he could fold something like 66, 77 to another big turn card such as the K? (If he was 3 bet and led into again on the turn)

Thanks in advance.

Thanks for making the video.
I have a questiong about one of the hands, and my thought process might be too spewy. I hope you could shed some light on the situation.

At minute 53, do you ever consider 3 betting the flop with your nut flush draw + 1 over to the J?

Could that be considered pushing our equity against worse draws or any 3x or 5x?

Assuming we dont make our hand on the turn, he is never folding Jx, but he could fold something like 66, 77 to another big turn card such as the K? (If he was 3 bet and led into again on the turn)

Thanks in advance.

thanks for watching! first of all i wanna say i just rewatched the hand and my first thought was that i think i missed a river valuebet.

i don't think 3betting that flop is terrible but i think it's slightly not good. i am a little bit of an underdog to his raising range and i am out of position as well. i'm not sure i want to be making the pot bigger in that situation. 3betting also has the effect of reducing my implied odds - now if the flush comes and i bet it down he's more likely to fold or just to call down. whereas if i just call the flop raise i can get a checkraise in often on the flush turn, plus the river bet. so i get more money in, and in well, by not jamming.

i think if he raised all 3x and 5x on the flop and would fold many of them on the turn if a scarecard came that your plan would be fine. i'm not sure he's raising all those combos though. and also he overlimped a poster preflop, so for example i don't think he should have a lot of hands with a 3 in them. he's probably raising A3s pf and pocket 3s is unlikely. 77 and 66 as you mention i think he's raising pf most of the time.